Question: Gonzales had never tried a case when he was made A.G.?

I thought I heard this but I don't know if it is true any
help or links would be appreciated.

for his entire career. Now his cover is blown.

And also it had something to do with his draft-dodging and TANG non-service. Really...he was a slacker and a hanger-on who happened to be hangin' with the right person. His resume consists of nothing but Bush ass-kissing and cover-ups.

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that is why Bush kept him around. Gonzo was great screen filler.


Oh I sorry are we not supposed to talk about race? I see everyone offering opinions on Obama being "black enough" but no one and I mean NO ONE dare say anything about Condi and the company she keeps. Right?

Weak, whiny voice is probably not convincing in a courtroom. Then there is the roach-like, scurry for cover from light reflex he has.

Corporate transactional lawyers seldom go to court. Even civil litigators don't go to trial all that often (cases settle pre-trial about 95% of the time), although we do get in the courtroom in pretrial motion practice.

The ones who go to court a lot are the criminal lawyers: prosecutors and defense lawyers. Of course, you sorta generally think that's the type you want heading up, oh, I don't know, maybe the freakin' JUSTICE DEPARTMENT.

Bake

.... being familiar with motions, procedures, and they appellate process might
come in handy being the top law enforcement officer in the country.

The man strikes more as chief legal consul to bush and not the A.G..
Also he can't be that good of a lawyer because he "impeached his own
credibility" with his recent statements.

before becoming AG's. Its not necessarily a prerequisite. Some other AGs were basically politicians. They may have practiced law at some point in their careers, but not for years prior to their becoming AGs.

Had very extensive legal careers before being A.G.. Although Daddy Kennedy more
than helped in getting him into some nice "resume building" spots.

I think that Gonzo is a disaster who (a) should never have been confirmed and (b) should already have been fired. But to the extent you are suggesting that Gonzo's legal experience suffers by comparison to RFK's or Katzenbach's, you might want to rethink your position.

Gonzo was 23 years out of law school when he became AG. He spent 12 years in private practice and the rest in government service, including a stint as a member of the Texas Supreme Court, which presumably gave him more than just a passing acquaintance with appellate practice, etc.

In contrast, Bobby was only 10 years out of law school when he was named AG. To the best of my knowledge he never spent any of that time in private practice. He spent about a year at the DOJ working in the Internal Security Division (which investigated Soviet agents) and several years as Democratic counsel to the Senate Permanent Committee on Investigations (chaired by Joe McCarthy). I'm unaware of his having any courtroom experience.

Katzenbach was 15 years out of law school when he became AG. He spent his first year in private practice (not sure what the nature of his practice was) and then moved over to become an attorney to the US Air Force. He spent four years as a professor and then was an Assistant AG in the Office of LEgal Counsel (OLC lawyers don't typically try cases).

My point isn't that Bobby or Katzenbah shouldn't have been AG's or that they were no better than Gonzo. Quite the contrary, they were far better than Gonzo. But that's why one shouldn't focus on whether Gonzo had some particular level of "courtroom" experience. Gonzo's supporters can fairly argue that he had a much more extensive legal career than either RFK or Katzenbach before becoming AG. But he still has been a disaster as AG.

I read their bios and both showed a good deal of experience in legal matters.

I also said that no doubt Joe Kennedy got Bobby into his early jobs.

And from a non lawyers perspective just listening to Alberto's explanations
about the U.S. Attorneys firings and his "I didn't know what was going on
@ the D o J" he really seems over his head.

process might come in handy being the top law enforcement officer in the country. My point is that Gonzo probably had more direct experience with those things (from his service as a judge in Texas) than either Bobby or Katzenbach would have. Again, based simply on experience in legal matters, Gonzo probably is ahead of either of him. In terms of his service as AG, he's at the bottom of the barrel. But that's because he's put politics ahead of the law, not because of inexperience.

Hell, John Mitchell, Nixon's AG, practiced law for 30 years before becoming AG. He was still a freakin' disaster as AG, for much the same reasons as Gonzo...politics before law, mismanagement, etc. Same goes for Ed Meese -- he was an assistant district attorney in California for a number of years, which means he probably had quite a bit of trial experience. But he sucked as AG.

thanx

I forgot about Ed Meese .... in front of a committee hearing when asked about $250,000
interest free loan from a bank .... and one of the bank officer's kids got a big job @
the D o J .... Meese, "Oh, I that loan."

BTW I have Sunday between 12:00 and 1:00 PM in the when will Gonzo go pool.

He's not. And that's not his damn JOB now. It's to be the chief law enforcement officer as head of Justice Dept.

So yeah, you don't want a corp. transactional lawyer or a civil litigator; you want a PROSECUTOR. And he's NOT one.

Bake

Tom Hagen: Mr. Corleone never asks a second favor once he's refused the first, understood?

I had to use a trial attorney a little while back .... he was OUTSTANDING and the rich SOB
who attacked me was made to pay up .... he threw 3 attorneys @ me, tons of motions,
and sued me too ... just cost him more $..

But what impressed me about my lawyer was how guarded he was in his words and how
he would never be so inarticulate as Alberto was defending himself.

"I approved of the firings but I didn't know about them." Keep talking Alberto.

Before bush, Alberto was a real estate or dirt lawyer at V & E. He was not a litigator. Having a non-litigator oversee a department of litigators does not make sense either.

to do with greasing the skids for bush and friends when they did that land grab for land on which to build Rangers Stadium? Is THAT where they first met?

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