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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 07:43 PM
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Know thine enemy: Giuliani leads all.
Edited on Tue Mar-27-07 07:44 PM by Clarkie1
March 27, 2007
It’s Giuliani by twenty points in the race for the GOP nomination.
The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone poll finds former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani (R) with support from 35% of those likely to vote in a Republican Primary. That’s up two points from a week ago. Over the past six weeks, Giuliani’s support has ranged from 32% to 37%. Giuliani currently leads all Democrats in General Election match-ups. This includes Senator Hillary Clinton, Senator Barack Obama, former Senator John Edwards, Governor Bill Richardson, and Senator Joe Biden.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/Political%20Tracking/Republican%20Primary/2008GOPPresidentialPrimary.htm

Will NY field two contenders in 08'?.....America's mayor vs. the......um...somebody think of a good name for Hillary Clinton.

Edited for spelling of Giuliani.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 07:48 PM
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1. LOLOLOLOL.
I don't know what other state would vote for Giuliani, but Hillary can deliver New York and he can't.

Gosh. We've had a Subway Series before, but we've never had a Subway Presidential Election before. Can't wait to see the firefighters greet Giuliani at every stop in every town. Coughing.

You can try this line all you want...but Clark looks like a girl and nobody is interested in him.
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 07:49 PM
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2. What line? Clark isn't even running, and what an infantile thing of you to say.
Do your parents know you are online?
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 10:25 PM
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6. Wes might look like a girl to you.....but at least he ain't no bitch.....
Unfortunately....bitches have a current tendency of calling men, girls (see coulter and your post).

See bitch slap!

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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 04:14 PM
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20. We are making a mistake if we underestimate Giuliani
Against Clinton II, Giuliani will win virtually all of the swing states, hold the red states (what red state can HRC swing?), and even flip a few blue states, including New Jersey with its 15 electoral votes. Giuliani will be tough for any candidate to beat; it will be nearly impossible for Clinton II--who 50% of Americans have ruled out voting for--to beat Giuliani.
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 08:18 PM
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3. What puzzles me on these polls is where the hell is the base of the R party?
It seems to me that those bible thumpers and creationists and intolerant haters of gay people and anyone different are still out there as registered republicans and will vote in primaries. Last I heard they controlled the delegates.
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Pushed To The Left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 10:19 PM
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5. But they want to win, and Giuliani is their best shot.
Edited on Tue Mar-27-07 10:19 PM by Pushed To The Left
Giuliani wants to stack the Courts with the same types of justices that Bush nominated. That makes the religious right voters' mouths water! If Giuliani gets the nomination, we need to remind everybody that he is now an ally to the religious right.
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jcrew2001 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 10:53 PM
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8. Exactly, the religious base is powerless
with no candidate, so the fiscial/military wing will mobilize with their win at all costs mentality.

romney is the candidate repubs like best, but they know he'll never win, so he won't get the Nom.
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jcrew2001 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 10:52 PM
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7. the so called base has
no chosen candidate, the christian conservatives have no candidate.

Therefore, the mobilized fiscal/military wing will vote for Rudy.
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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 10:12 PM
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4. lol I have three short words for that...
way-too-New Yorky, way too bald and too thin occasional cross-dresser and opera lover who shares five total marriages with his current wife, Judith Nathan (who doesn't get along with his children of which one, Andrew, says things like Rudy will make a better President than he has a father) with a fascist law enforcement streak even though he himself may have mob ties (or at least ties to Bernie Kerik): Three short words.

Un.


E.


Lectable.


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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 04:35 AM
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13. That's 6 marriages between them
Each on their third.
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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 03:28 PM
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19. I was being extra-fair to them,
and only counting the Rudy/Judy marriage once.
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frankenforpres Donating Member (763 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 11:54 PM
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9. He is dangerous against Hillary.
I see him playing well in places like Ohio, FL, Maine and NH.


I think Hillary can clown McCain and Romney, but Rudy gives her problems (because i cant see her grabbing red states).

I think any of the Dems can win, but as far as match ups, if we pick Clinton, Rudy worries me.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 04:38 AM
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14. Rudy worries me no matter who we nominate
He'll bring in many moderates. And I think any pub can beat Hillary. Rudy will be problems in the pub primaries as those voters are the true believers and they don't like him. But if they're thinking strategically, they'll vote in Rudy just because he has an R behind his name and they want to win.
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featherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 12:27 AM
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10. Is this a joke of some sort? Rudy Giuliani will NEVER win either the GOP
nomination or a general election. Not happening. It should be obvious to anybody who knows his record. I mean, good grief, the "hero of 9/11" paved NYC potholes with debris that included the unrecovered bones and ash of the Twin Towers casualties. I don't think THAT would play too well in a hard-nosed campaign, for example.

These early polls are name familiarity contests... nothing more. As the uptight GOP primary voters out in the heartland begin "getting to know Rudy" they will flee in horror.

Hey, I'm all for Giuliani remaining a strong GOP frontrunner... it's a disaster in the making for a party that is being driven off a cliff anyway.
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fuzzyball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 04:25 AM
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12. Fred Thompson is MORE dangerous than Rudy Giuliani IMO n/t
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 02:24 AM
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11. I wouldn't underestimate Giuliani's chances.......
for the nomination, at least.

McCain is starting to look like a tired old man, and Chuck Hagel
is playing the right wing's version of Al Gore--a waiting game that
may yet see the two of them as their parties' presidential candidates.

I must admit, I'd get a charge of all the "family values" nuts trying
to rationalize away Giuliani's many marriages and affairs, saying his
family values (like THAT is what makes for a great president?) were
better than those of a John Edwards.

Although Giuliani does have the authoritarian streak many Republicans
seem to admire, he is at heart not the social Torquemada they are looking
for (don't believe the current pandering to the extremist wing of the GOP
for a second, it's not him).

One little thing that should not be overlooked, either, petty though it
is in the grand scheme of things: Rudi lisps. Unless he gets speech therapy,
he has that irritating lisp whenever he opens his mouth, and coupled with
his New York accent, light though it is, it will be the butt of late night
TV jokes for the remainder of the campaign (and his term in office, should
he actually win).

Carter and Clinton have already proved that a Southerner who speaks well
can win in the north and west. Not since Roosevelt has a New Yorker won
over the south, and even New Englander Kennedy only squeaked by due to
Texan LBJ as his running mate. A lisping New Yorker has an uphill battle
in today's south, and I don't care if he gets an honorary doctorate in
Conservative Fanaticism from Bob Jones University in an effort to prove otherwise.
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 04:42 AM
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15. Giuliani is a strong candidate
But I think that either Gore or Edwards could beat Rudy in 2008.

I hope it's not true that having a slight accent from the "wrong" part of the country makes you unelectable in a national election. Although I do think some people underestimate John Edwards because of his Carolina accent.

Don't forget California elected a Governor with an Austrian accent!! B-)

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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 09:01 AM
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16. That's why I want Newt or Mitt to be the Repub nominee
they would be easier to beat.
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jcrew2001 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 10:45 AM
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17. don't mis-underestimate rudy
n/t
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PaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 11:53 AM
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18. I've said it before and I'll say it again here................
Rudy would be VERY tough to beat in the general election. If the GOP "base" doesn't unify behind one candidate, the path is clear for Rudy in the primaries. The guy might lose New York, but it would hardly matter after he wins Pennsylvania and Ohio.
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