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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 12:57 PM
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How Bush and the GOP lost the war in Iraq.
Edited on Wed Mar-28-07 12:58 PM by NYCALIZ
Losing has nothing to do with having a timeline or putting spending limits on a four year old war. The GOP caused the failure through their own actions and inactions.

GOP didn't volunteer for this volunteer army in sufficient numbers which led to
a) use of national guard forces to a degree never intended
b) use of mercenaries instead of well trained regular army
c) use of troops without complete training
d) use of troops for excessive number of deployments
e) use of troops without adequate dwelltime between deployments
f) failure of troops supervision leading to events such as abu graibh which worked dramatically against overall mission
g) decline in standards in order to fill 'body counts'

GOP didn't demand the best possible war strategy.
Instead they meekly accepted
a) Bushco ignored Shinseki who with the full authority of the military and decades worth of strategic war plans in hand said the war would take several hundred thousand troops.
b)Bushco ignored the advice of allies in the middle east who said that without Saddam the country would deteriorate into civil war
c) Bushco left unguarded hundreds of tons of munitions
d) Bushco placed individuals without any relevant experience in key positions
e) Bushco fostered war profiteering gone wild whereby Halliburton effectively poisoned our own troops using inadequately treated water and unhealthy foods
f) Bushco sent troops without adequate equipment exposing them to undue risk AND giving insurgents victories which further fed the insurgency.
g) Bushco ignored any intelligence on the war which indicated problems thereby allowing the problems to fester and spread.


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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 01:00 PM
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1. The republicans and Bush lost the Iraq war......
....by GOING TO WAR WITH IRAQ!
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 01:02 PM
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2. That's it.
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INdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 01:09 PM
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6. Did they really lose the war
Haliburton has made millions if not billions from this war,oil companies have made billions,if not from the Iraq oil its given them an excuse to raise the price or used it to force the price upward..So did the Republicans really lose..
Other no-bid contractors have made millions so again did the Republicans really lose?
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 02:25 PM
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14. this was an attempt to build plan to counter GOP
they don't acknowledge that war was wrong from the outset....so arguing that point is useless.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 01:04 PM
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3. bush took the advice of military experts like wolfowitz and perle and limbaugh
An idiot seeking the advice of other idiots concerning a very deadly subject. And being cheered on by chickenshit chickenhawk idiots on the sidelines. That was a good start to losing the war.

And I've yet to get a concrete answer from a cheering idiot: "What are we going to WIN?
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 01:07 PM
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5. turds of a feather, flock together.
case in point.
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Wildewolfe Donating Member (470 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 01:15 PM
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8. Gah!
... never put the words military expert and Limbaugh in the same sentance again!... reality cracked on that one!
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 01:18 PM
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10. limbaugh is an expert on every subject known to mankind
Just ask any religiously insane zealot you know.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 01:46 PM
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12. All draft dodgers and deferment junkies
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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 01:05 PM
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4. So true. Recommended. nt
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 01:12 PM
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7. Define war
The military action war was over in 3 weeks. What bushco is losing is the OCCUPATION. That's how it needs to be described.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 01:17 PM
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9. They lost because there was nothing to win. Just raping the US Treasury. nt
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 01:25 PM
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11. The Republicans lost Iraq. The Republicans lost Iraq.
The Republicans lost Iraq. The Republicans lost Iraq. The Republicans lost Iraq. The Republicans lost Iraq. The Republicans lost Iraq. The Republicans lost Iraq. The Republicans lost Iraq.

Repeat loudly and often.

:evilgrin:
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 01:55 PM
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13. The only way to "win" an occupation is by leaving.
I repeat: The only way to "win" an occupation is by leaving. You cannot "win" and then leave an occupied country. Victory is achieved in the act of leaving. That is one of the big differences between the Iraq Occupation and the Vietnam war. In Vietnam we chose and propped up (or created) one side in a civil war and fought the other side. Our side lost and we had to tuck-tail and run. We may wind up having to hightail it out of Iraq, but it will be a victorious bugout, because when an occupation is over, its over - it isn't a defeat, it's just over...
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 02:43 PM
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15. Agreed. We need to stop calling this occupation a "war."
Edited on Wed Mar-28-07 02:43 PM by ClassWarrior
It's an invasion and occupation. And the only way to "win" is to leave.

NGU.


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