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ncteechur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 06:29 PM
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I do not believe that the president can fire US attorneys at will. Yes
they serve at the pleasure of the president but the president cannot fire a US attorney in an effort to circumvent an ongoing prosecution or investigation (obstruction of justice). AND if he were to fire a US attorney, then the incoming attorney should have to make sure any and all current investigations were carried out seamlessly upon his or her arrival. But I still contend that the president cannot fire at will. Show me in the US code where is says it. I've looked and cannot find that language.

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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 06:32 PM
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1. and lying to congress and committing a cover up is not legal under
any circumstances!!

fly
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ncteechur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 06:34 PM
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2. true. true.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 06:35 PM
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3. And what the nut case right wingers miss is that albeit *all* the Attorneys can be fired
Edited on Wed Mar-28-07 06:36 PM by ShortnFiery
at the beginning of the opposing party's Presidency, they can NOT manipulate their behaviors ONCE they are in office. That is, ONCE ASSIGNED, they are supposed to be *above politics* and serving their Country and Constitution.

Trying to manipulate and tweak the system, especially AT THE WHIM of republican congresspeople's input AND with that convenient Patriot Act law allowing NO Senate Consult or Confirmation, may not be STRICTLY illegal, but is morally reprehensible.

"Pleasure of The President" does not assume that an egocentric psychopath and cronies would be occupying The Executive Branch. If it's not illegal, it should be. :grr:
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 06:39 PM
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5. "allowing NO Senate Consult or Confirmation"
Not anymore. Bet that's not the only thing this congress changes over the next few months, either.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 06:38 PM
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4. LOTS of info and links here: Email-Gate FACTS: Felons,.....
Email-Gate FACTS: Felons, georgewbush.com, gwb43.com , et. al.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x523978
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 06:41 PM
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6. ...sigh....
one more time

all

together

now:


It's not about "serving at the pleasure of the pResident"

It's

OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE!
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ncteechur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 06:43 PM
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8. I absolutely agree BUT the RW talking points that the MSM keep repeating
(Like that is a big surprise) is that the president can fire all of them at will for any reason at any time. I call BULLSHIT!
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 08:26 PM
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11. Shout it LOUDLY!
BULLSHIT!

It's the OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE, STUPID!

Keep shouting until somebody hears it....

:patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 06:43 PM
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7. it is customary for presidents to dismiss ALL USAs at the beginning...
...of their administration-- every president in my memory has done so. USAs are political appointees. They are appointed as political rewards, but once appointed, they are supposed to be above politics. They ARE occasionally removed during their terms, but usually for cause rather than for political reasons. That is the essence of this affair-- it was a deliberate attempt to politicize the USAs in service.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 07:11 PM
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9. Firing a US attorney
Edited on Wed Mar-28-07 07:11 PM by Jim4Wes
is good if done for the right reasons. People from both parties can easily understand it should not be done purely for political reasons. They might be on the other side next time. As to the law, I don't believe that is the most important question. It comes down to a code of justice that is inherent in our values.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 08:35 PM
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12. And James Madison believed that one appointed should not be removed without merit
If you haven't read this... do so.
James Madison - “Impeach Bush Over Purgegate!”
by Thom Hartmann
CommonDreams

Excerpt pertaining to our present day situation.

The danger then consists merely in this, the president can displace from office a man whose merits require that he should be continued in it. What will be the motives which the president can feel for such abuse of his power, and the restraints that operate to prevent it? In the first place, he will be impeachable by this house, before the senate, for such an act of mal-administration; for I contend that the wanton removal of meritorious officers would subject him to impeachment and removal from his own high trust.

But what can be his motives for displacing a worthy man? It must be that he may fill the place with an unworthy creature of his own. Can he accomplish this end? No; he can place no man in the vacancy whom the senate shall not approve; and if he could fill the vacancy with the man he might chuse, I am sure he would have little inducement to make an improper removal.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-28-07 08:24 PM
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10. This email was sent 11/4/2004 regarding USA's resignations
Edited on Wed Mar-28-07 08:29 PM by LiberalFighter
Email sent to all USA's and probably other Dept of Justice appointees

House Judiciary Committee -- Dept of Justice Document 11-1
Page ASG000000012 Email sent 11/4/2004 8:15PM

Many of you have sought guidance regarding the Administration to the President's second term. This message serves to convey the entirety of the information we have at this point, and as more information becomes available it will be shared with you.

First, the President is tremendously grateful to you, and to every member of his team, for your hard work over the past four years. He recognizes the sacrifices that you and your family have made to enable you to serve, and he is deeply appreciative. America has looked at the President's record -- continuing success in the war on terror, violent crime at a 30-year low, and declining drug use among America's youth, among other successes -- and asked him to stay on the job. He is honored and humbled by the privilege to serve, as I know each of you are.

Second, as we move into this transition period, the President has decided that he will not ask for letters of resignation. That said, as always, each of us serves at the pleasure of the President.

Third, some of you have expressed interest in serving in other capacities in the Administration, both within the Department and elsewhere. If you would like to be considered for other opportunities, please let me know what position(s) and agency or agencies you are interested in and I will work together with White House Presidential Personnel on those matters.

Additionally, if you are intending to leave the Administration within the next three months, please let me know that as well.

As we move forward, the Attorney General thanks you for your continued service and asks that you stay focused on the job at hand. While it is appropriate and good to celebrate successes, we cannot let it detract from the ongoing critical mission of the Department. Thank you again, and please feel free to contact me with any questions.

Susan

Susan M Richmond
Advisor to the Attorney General
& White House Liaison
Office of the Attorney General
U.S. Department of Justice


Bush had the opportunity to start with a new slate of United States Attorneys in his 2nd term.

In addition, this also shows that they did not believe that a 4 year term for United States Attorney was intended to last 4 years if it went past a President's term.
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