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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 12:21 AM
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"Activists Are Out of Step" from 2003 LA Times by Al From and Bruce Reed.
Edited on Mon Apr-02-07 12:47 AM by madfloridian
Activists are out of step.

(Weird. I just found the link there earlier, and it was dead. I did another search...and it works now. :shrug:)

These days, Democrats act as if they're so far gone they've forgotten where they're from.

Every weekend, yet another special-interest group hosts a candidate forum to pressure the presidential candidates into praising its agenda.Some of the candidates seem intent on running applause-meter campaigns, measuring success by how many times they tell the party faithful what they want to hear.

There's one big problem with this strategy: Most of those party activists the candidates are trying so hard to please are wildly out of touch not only with middle America but with the Democratic rank and file. The great myth of the campaign is the misguided notion that the hopes and dreams of party activists and single-issue groups represent the heart and soul of the Democratic Party. They don't.

The fact is, "the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party," as former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean likes to call it, is an aberration, a modern-day version of the old McGovern wing of the party, defined principally by weakness abroad and elitist interest-group liberalism at home. That wing lost the party 49 states in two elections and turned a powerful national organization into a much weaker, regional one.


More on the topic. From 2003

Democrats and The War

Democratic internationalism. We respect the right of other Democrats to disagree with our and Blair's conclusions about Iraq. But we cannot accept the claim that being against the war in Iraq is the only authentic and principled stand for Democrats -- for what anti-war presidential candidate Howard Dean calls "the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party." And we reject the idea that Democrats who voted for the use of force in Iraq -- including Sens. John Edwards, John Kerry, and Joe Lieberman, and Rep. Dick Gephardt -- are unprincipled opportunists. On the contrary, they represent the true Democratic tradition of muscular internationalism, and should be respected for passing up the temptation of opportunistically appealing to liberal and anti-war activists, especially in Iowa, the first stop in the presidential nominating process.

...." The tradition of Democratic internationalism combines the willingness to use force with the recognition that America is always stronger when we act with and through alliances and multilateral institutions that reflect our values and interests. That's the tradition that led Edwards, Gephardt, Kerry and Lieberman to vote to authorize the use of force on the condition that the administration pursue multilateral support.

The claim that an anti-war position is required of "real Democrats" or the "Democratic wing of the Democratic Party" is nothing more than an assertion against the evidence of history -- and against the political interests of the Democratic Party today.


Both refer to the fact that we are not done spreading Democracy through the middle east. It is just that simple. Internationalism is a nicer term for it.

I just finished reading Booman's post about the DLC and its willingness to keep putting down the left in the party. It is a long post, but very good...referring back to the American Prospect article by Dreyfuss.

http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2007/4/1/185920/4542

Part of this is fairly straightforward. The DLC works to make sure than any Democrat that wants to vote against the interests of labor unions will not suffer because their campaign contributions will be made good by corporate donations. It's a straight co-option of the Democratic Party by corporate interests.

..."It's probably a chicken and egg argument at this point, but the New Democrats found corporate America happy to fund them and make up any losses from more traditional activist groups. Some might argue that corporate interests were behind the movement from the start, but I believe the DLC's corporate ties developed organically and symbiotically.

The DLC's desire to appear tough on defense (represented by support for large military budgets and an interventionist and expansionist (NATO) foreign policy) certainly appealed to defense contractors. And Clinton continued George H.W. Bush's policy of privatizing military functions."


Those are Boo's statements, and he quotes a lot of article. A very important read.




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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 12:52 AM
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1. The pundit's time leading to Democratic party to loose to the rePIGlickin party is over.
The sooner they realize that we are done;
with FAUX candidates spouting focus group tested sound bites designed to appeal to the "mythical Middle"
The sooner we can begin to encourage REAL LIBERALS with REAL PROGRESSIVE agendas to stand and speak for us.

Sorry all you "experts" you know who you are- the ones who have made us a DLC corporate clone of the Reich wing. Your day is over.

See ya, would not want to be ya.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 09:03 AM
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2. When are From and Reed going to discover
Edited on Mon Apr-02-07 09:25 AM by OHdem10
that most activisits as they call them are ordinary
middle americans.

The Internet has changed things.

From and Reed, elitests to the bone, sound like
some in the 60s-- totally dismayed with the Student
Activists. Today's Activists are not just students.
They are everyday Americans who work and see
what is happening to their country while Reid
and and From jawbone on some foreign policy
issue. Rather Neocon sounding at that.

Every election they are out trying to condemn
the "Actiivists". Do they feel threatened or
what????


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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 09:11 AM
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3. They're propagandists. They already know that. From and Reed are compensated well.
Edited on Mon Apr-02-07 09:15 AM by w4rma
And that's Reed, btw. No relation to Senator Reid.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 12:18 PM
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4. How does one put the "new" back in New Democrat?
What's wrong with just being a good old-fashioned Democrat? Why do we have to keep being "new" all over again? What the heck "new" stuff do they want to add this time.

http://dlc.org/

"It is time to put the New back in New Democrat. It is time to put new ideas back at the heart of American politics. And it is time to make clear the mission of our party and the purpose of America: to give everyone the opportunity to get ahead, demand a new responsibility from every American, and have America lead the world through the power of our example and our ideals." -- DLC Chair Harold Ford, Jr.




Oh, and for tonight...

GO Gators!

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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 12:30 PM
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5. '...That wing lost the party 49 states
in two elections and turned a powerful national organization into a much weaker, regional one...'

THAT wing took back the house and senate in '06. The candidates the dlc supported lost - get it?

Oh, BTW, I AM one of 'democratic rank & file'.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 01:02 PM
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7. um
The DLC picked up over half the new House seats.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 01:00 PM
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6. those two sound more like horowitz every day -- soon
Edited on Mon Apr-02-07 01:00 PM by xchrom
they'll be attacking academics just like lynne cheney and crew.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 03:55 PM
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8. an article from four years ago?



:nuke:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 03:57 PM
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9. Just making sure we remember how we were marginalized. Being careful.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 03:59 PM
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10. it's the daily dumpster dive
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 04:03 PM
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11. Weekly
Not daily.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 11:45 PM
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13. It is good to remind the masses of the filthy scum they are facing
The DLC's neoliberals are as much a threat to the country and the world as PNAC's neocons.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-02-07 04:09 PM
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12. Ahhh, the two DLC turds rise to the surface of the scum pond
They are as Democratic as their warmongering and imperialist Progressive Policy Insitute is progressive.
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