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Cascadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 01:46 AM
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Give me 5 reasons for why I should back Hillary.
Edited on Wed Apr-04-07 01:49 AM by Cascadian
Could somebody please give me 5 good reasons why I should back or support Hillary Clinton. I want 5 good reasons and nothing that is petty or shallow. Because I cannot think of even 3 reasons to back or support her. Why should I back her and not just because she is not a Republican. There are a whole bunch of you Hillaryistas out there so I am giving you an opportunity to give me 5 good and concrete reasons I should back your gal.


John
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merwin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 01:56 AM
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1. Will it really make a difference in your opinion?
Most people who think low of Hillary already have their minds made up.
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Cascadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 01:57 AM
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2. But I am trying to give people a chance.
I am trying to let them try to convince me that Hillary is right for being the nominee.



John
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 04:58 AM
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15. Somehow for some reason I really do not read this as giving Hillary a chance - to do that you'd
want to list your 5 top concerns and then list out each candidates position/qualities re that concern.

And for some reason you are not doing that.

Indeed advocate your choice by listing out those positions/qualities on each of your top 5 concerns, but this tearing down of other candidates is getting old.

Even Hillary haters will find your game boring after a while - although that may take a while on DU.
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 01:58 AM
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3. I'm not a Hillaryista, but was wondering which Dem you do back?
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Cascadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 02:01 AM
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5. Right now it's Kucinich.
It would have gone to Gore but apparently he is not going to run.


John
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 01:59 AM
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4. I can't
I don't think Hillary can win. I know that Kucinich can't win.
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Mark E. Smith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 02:02 AM
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6. 1) THE BUSH FAMILY
2) JOHN MCCAIN
3) RUDOLPH GIULIANI
4) MITT ROMNEY
5) NEWT GINGRICH

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Cascadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 02:04 AM
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7. In other words.....she is not a Republican.
Edited on Wed Apr-04-07 02:05 AM by Cascadian
Is that all??? You'll have to do better than that!


John
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Mark E. Smith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 08:26 AM
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19. I'm sorry
...but I can't cure stupidity.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 09:22 AM
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22. "Given the choice between a Republican and someone that acts like a Republican,
the real Republican will win every time". - Harry Truman

True then, still true today.
:kick:

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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 02:09 AM
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8. 2) Energy policy.
I really like her energy ideas, have you checked them out?
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/video/11.aspx
(hold your nose and get past her tone to the actual things she is saying)
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Cascadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 02:12 AM
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9. Energy self-sufficiency and energy alternatives.
Now that I can agree with. It would be great if she does follow through with this.


John
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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 02:17 AM
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10. And an aggressive stance to big oil
I haven't heard that from the other candidates, it takes serious guts to stand up to big oil. But the pay or play strategy would force them to invest in alternative energy so if they want to be greedy asses, they can be greedy about selling clean energy at least.
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 02:56 AM
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11. That's two!
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scardycat Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 03:47 AM
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12. I'll tell you one big huge reason
She knows how the neocons right wingers think. When I first heard right wing conspiracy back when Clinton was president, I didnt have a clue what that meant. I think and I still do not know who I am going to support in the primaries yet, but I just have this gut feeling she knows how those b*stards think, live, breathe, react and she wants payback. I may be wrong, but I am watching her along with every other candidate. I am going to see who knows how to play ball with these lying sack of manure and I will make my decision.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 02:18 PM
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42. Hi scardycat!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 04:18 AM
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13. your OP assumes
.... people give a shit whom you support particularly in light of
your anti-HRC below-the-belt campaign here at DU already in progress.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 05:09 AM
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17. right. Her request is another attempt to cover the same territory she already has
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 04:22 AM
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14. she has a better record than Kucnich on abortion rights ?
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elizm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 05:05 AM
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16. Notice you never got your 5 reasons...
And I was interested in hearing them. You'd think people would want to tout their candidate every chance they get.
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Cascadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 09:20 AM
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21. I know and it's sad.
They don't even want people who don't attack Hillary but support other candidates a chance either. This is a coordinated campaign to silence the critics of Hillary within the Democratic and Progressive side of things. Some of these people who have been attacking me I have never seen on the DU boards before. I have been giving them a chance to be civil and explain in detail 5 good reasons and they cannot do it. I only got a couple of good reasons but they are still falling short. How pathetic and short-sighted. If these are the people who are going to ultimately decide the nominee for President, then the Democratic Party is in trouble.


John
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 09:36 AM
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23. you don't want debate
Edited on Wed Apr-04-07 09:47 AM by AtomicKitten
as illustrated in your post here:

She is a corporatist and pro-war.

I also had an issue with her fake Southern twang in Selma. What the hell was that about? Does that mean when she goes to Boston will she start dropping the "R's" when she speaks? (Eating Chowdah at the Bah!) She is just disingenuous and too divisive within the Democratic Party. The party needs a true uniter and Hillary is not it! Not only that, I do not want the Presidency turning into some dynastic office (Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton-Bush?). If you want to lose voters, make Hillary the nominee. I know I WILL NOT vote for her. Go ahead and curse me out all you want!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3168003&mesg_id=3193197



to which I replied:

your opinion is based on falsehoods

Corporatist?
She is no more a corporatist than any of the other Dem contenders that take money from corporations. Any of them.

Pro-war?
Her 'yes' vote on the IWR weighs no more heavily than any of the other 27 knuckleheads that voted yes. She has pledged to end the war in Iraq if Junior doesn't. Hardly pro-war.

Southern twang?
She was relating a quote. This misconception has been disproved by Media Matters and you can look it up yourself.

Disingenuous and divisive? Not a uniter?
According to whom? You? Subjective analysis doesn't count.

You are entitled to harbor an opinion based on extrapolated BS and completely subjective impressions; knock yourself out. Parrot the infamous "loony left"/RW rhetoric that has no basis in fact. Get back to us when you have an argument that holds water.

In the meantime, try something proactive and spend 1/10 the energy you waste trash-talking Hillary instead lauding a candidate you do support. Oy vey, what a concept!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3168003&mesg_id=3193423


In response to which you fled.

You don't want honest, open debate. All you've got are RW talking points. You make up excuses to slam Hillary. You misstate articles to post, you post divisive threads.

How pathetic and short-sighted.


It sure is.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 09:37 AM
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24. yes she did. Post 18
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 05:53 AM
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18. What if I asked you to give me 5 reason I should NOT back Hillary?
This is what you'd probably say...

1. SHE backed the Iraq War
2. She BACKED the Iraq War
3. She backed THEIraq War
4. She backed the IRAQ War
5. She backed the Iraq WAR

See, your OP is just another invitation to another 300+ post thread on the Iraq war and Hillary not kissing your ass and apologizing for it. Plenty of those threads already to play in.

Wouldn't matter how I answered the question, your response would be peppered with the same old same old repeated a million times already. It becomes tedious after a while.

Because she has a plan, approved by the world's leading economists, to provide free health care to every American and their pets.

So what? SHE backed the Iraq War

Because she has a plan to eliminate poverty in just 3 months. Experts say it is wonderful!

So what? She BACKED the Iraq War

Because she will fund research literally guaranteed to cure cancer aids, impotence, prevent pregnancy, and make turn water to wine - all in just one pill!!

SO WHAT!!! SHE BACKED THE IRAQ WAR AND SHE WON'T KISS MY ASS AND APOLOGIZE!!!

...and on and on and on and on....

But here are 5 reasons I support Hillary Clinton as my second choice...

White House Experience

In the White House, Hillary led efforts to make adoption easier, to expand early learning and child care,
to increase funding for breast cancer research, and to help veterans suffering from Gulf War syndrome who
had too often been ignored in the past. She helped launch a national campaign to prevent teen pregnancy
and helped create the Adoption and Safe Families Act of 1997, which moved children from foster care to
adoption more quickly. Thanks in part to her efforts, the number of children who have moved out of foster
care into adoption has increased dramatically. She was instrumental in designing and championing the State
Children's Health Insurance Program, which has provided millions of children with health insurance. (from bartcop)

Senate Experience

She battled the big drug companies to force them to test their drugs for children and to make sure all kids
get the immunizations they need through the Vaccines for Children Program. Immunization rates dramatically
improved after the program launched.After the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, Hillary worked with
her colleagues to secure the funds New York needed to recover and rebuild. She fought to provide
compensation to the families of the victims, grants for hard-hit small businesses, and health care for front line
workers at Ground Zero.She is the first New Yorker ever to serve on the Senate Armed Services Committee,
working to see that America's military has the necessary resources to protect our national security.

She has visited troops in Iraq and Afghanistan and at Fort Drum in New York, home of the 10th Mountain
Division and other New York bases, as well as at Walter Reed Military Hospital. She has learned first-hand
the challenges facing American combat forces. Hillary passed legislation to track the health status of our troops
so that conditions like Gulf War Syndrome would no longer be misdiagnosed. She is an original sponsor of
legislation that expanded health benefits to members of the National Guard and Reserves and has been a
strong critic of the Administration's handling of Iraq.

She has introduced legislation to tie Congressional salary increases to an increase in the minimum wage,
because she believes if America's working people don't deserve a raise, neither does Congress. She has
supported a variety of middle-class tax cuts, including marriage penalty relief, property tax relief, and
reduction in the Alternative Minimum Tax, and supports fiscally responsible pay-as-you-go budget rules.

She helped pass legislation that encouraged investment to create jobs in struggling communities through the
Renewal Communities program.She worked to strengthen the Children's Health Insurance Program, which
increased coverage for children in low income and working families. She authored legislation that has been
enacted to improve quality and lower the cost of prescription drugs and to protect our food supply from
bioterrorism. She sponsored legislation to increase America's commitment to fighting the global HIV/AIDS
crisis, and is now leading the fight for expanded use of information technology in the health care system to
decrease administrative costs, lower premiums, and reduce medical errors.

Her strong advocacy for children continues in the Senate. Some of Hillary's proudest achievements have
been her work to ensure the safety of prescription drugs for children, with legislation now included in the
Best Pharmaceuticals for Children Act, and her legislation to help schools address environmental hazards.
She has also proposed expanding access to child care. She has passed legislation that will bring more
qualified teachers into classrooms and more outstanding principals to lead our schools. AND SHE HAD
THE BALLS TO TELL RUMSFELD TO HIS FACE THAT HE WAS A LOSER (from bartcop)

The Team

Hillary Clinton will almost certainly bring back the key members of the Clinton team that made the 90s the largest economic expansion in history.

The Attitude

I would support Sen. Clinton because she is a fighter.

At a campaign stop in Iowa, someone asked Sen. Clinton what lessons she learned from the Kerry campaign. She answered she’d learned lots of lessons from years of campaigns she’s been involved in, both her own and her husband’s. Overall, she stressed this: “When you’re attacked, you have to deck your opponents.”

This wasn’t so much a jab at Sen. Kerry’s ineffectiveness in countering the Swift Boat claims as it was reminding people of how the Clintons often outmaneuvered their enemies with, in the words of writer Regina Marler, otherworldly skill.

Indeed, Mrs. Clinton echoed these sentiments in a much stronger fashion last week when she stated, “I know what (Newt) Gingrich tells people privately, I know what (Tom) DeLay tells people privately, I know what Karl Rove tells people privately. I’m the one person they are most afraid of. Bill and I have beaten them before and we will again.”

Just last week, Clinton, described as frustrated and animated, confronted presidential rival Sen. John McCain on the Senate floor after he blocked funding for a 9/11 responders' health care program, people familiar with the encounter told CNN.

The Spectrum

Clinton has taken a centrist turn and is open to bi-partisanship for the sake of progress, the mentality the fueled and won the 2006 midterm elections.



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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 01:36 PM
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33. Your five, plus
1) She'll hit the ground running. Her experience in the WH and Congress give her a working knowledge/experience that no other has.

2) She doesn't back down from a fight and yet she knows how/when to reach out to build consensus.

Next thing, after the "but she voted for war!" that's going to be put up is "But she's for an anti-flag burning amendment!" (which isn't true).

Truthfully, we have an outstanding field and I'm still watching them. It's going to be a tough fight. Richardson still looks like a highly potential dark horse. Obama exudes a "PC" (Political Charisma) that's hard to beat. Edwards' ability to tap into issues of concern for the middle class and poor (Americans, not just Democrats/Liberals) is outstanding. Biden has foreign policy experience that's smart and is able to connect it to national security. And Dodd is no novice on the issues, particularly with the economics situation.

The only thing I'm certain of at this point is that I WON'T be voting for a Republican.
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Cascadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 02:14 PM
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39. Thank you! You did it.
I understand now. You were civl about this and you brought up some viable points and I can appreciate that. Also , thank you for not hitting me over the head with this. I admit she does have a strong appeal with the people. That is great. I also agree with her on the issue of being energy independent that another poster brought up. That's good. Yes, she is intelligent as well. I never attacked her for her smarts.


Thank you once again.

John


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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 02:34 PM
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43. You're welcome!
:)

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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 08:57 AM
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20. I'd give you 10 but your not worth the time of day because you lie thru your teeth about her
as evidenced in all your threads you've been doing on behalf of the Green Underground lately.

The purpose is to see whatever Democrat we put up win, not lose.

Get lost. You're no far lefty. You're a fraud.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 10:00 AM
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25. That should be "you're not worth the time of day...".
Why not go ahead and provide the info that has swayed you? Cascadian is not the only person that will read the thread and all this negativity is more likely to turn people off than to convince them.

It's still early and I support DK because I like his ideas, not him. I don't know him and I suspect that he would not be someone I'd like to spend much time hanging around with, but that just isn't relevant. In fact, I have been forced to hang around with enough of the Presidential candidate types to know that I don't like any of them, they're uncaring, calculating, egotistical, assholes, but that's who wants to be President.

At this point, it is about ideas and ideals, and I appreciate that DK says what he means and isn't concerned with not offending somebody.


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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 10:00 AM
Response to Reply #20
26. Another server fart
Edited on Wed Apr-04-07 10:07 AM by greyhound1966
What's going to happen when we get really busy?
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Cascadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 01:04 PM
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27. This posting has been a real disappointment.
Edited on Wed Apr-04-07 01:14 PM by Cascadian
I gave some of you Hillary people a chance to share your views. It was never my intention to attack you in the original post. I wanted you all to give me at least 5 good solid reasons in a constructive and civil manner and you have failed to do so. You are just spewing the same vitriolic garbage and name calling crap you were doing in all of the anti-Hillary posts.

Even if I did decide to back Hillary, why the Hell would I want to associate myself with a bunch of jackbooted bullying thugs like you all? Why should I waste my time? You want all of the people in the Democratic Party to go into lockstep with you Hillaryistas and screw everybody else. You are not interested in debate, you want obediance and want the 08 Convention to be a coronation. You are no different than the Republicans. Thank you for confirming what I have been feeling and saying.

I will mourn the day if Hillary does get the nomination. Not even Howard Dean will be able to undo the damage that will be done.


John
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 01:09 PM
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28. Perhaps people are on to you...
Edited on Wed Apr-04-07 01:09 PM by SaveElmer
And rightly distrust your motivations....

btw: Wyldwolf answered your question and you didn't respond...
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 01:28 PM
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30. silly wabbit -- his was a rhetorical question
Edited on Wed Apr-04-07 01:59 PM by AtomicKitten
apparently
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 01:42 PM
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36. yoohoo! Post 18?? Pretending it isn't there??
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 01:18 PM
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29. give me one reason why I should care who you back
or what you think.

your motivations on this board are pretty transparent - and they have nothing to do with reasons for supporting any Democrat...
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Learn2Swim Donating Member (220 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 01:30 PM
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31. Shoot man, that's easy.
#1. It's her turn
#2. It's inevitable.
#3. Because the DLC says so.
#4. Because we DEFINITELY need continued leadership that simply will not admit mistakes.
#5. Because the U.S. is an oligarchy.


In all seriousness, sorry I couldn't be of more help. Couldn't think of one.
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Cascadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 01:31 PM
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32. Great effort! Thanks!
At least somebody made an attempt even though it appears you are not for Hillary.

HA HA HA!


Thanks!


John
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 01:36 PM
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34. An Edwards supporter, I'll support HClinton is she's nominated.
Edited on Wed Apr-04-07 01:38 PM by Old Crusoe
1. Her judicial appointments at all levels would very significantly elipse her predecessor's in ethical clarity.

2. There would likely be a greater concentration of women in key posts, reversing the testosterone-gone-wild days of the current bloodthirsty administration.

3. There is every reason that her strong personality would result in a well-managed and better administrated government. She has an executive's personality -- a refreshing change in level of competence from the Bush model.

4. She's an intellectual. She reads books. She uses her intelligence for self-growth and then grafts her learning onto her quest to make public policy. Those are several reasons, actually, but they all begin with her native IQ, which I suspect is incredibly high.

5. She deserves exactly the same perogative to run -- and exactly the level of endorsement by Democrats -- as any other Constitutionally-qualified citizen. The Right scorns her as "too liberal" while the Left rejects her as being "too conservative," when in fact we don't know how she will govern if she is given the opportunity. There is no Constitutional grounds for dismissing her; there is every reason to support her if she is the nominee, not least being that a majority of our fellow Democrats would have chosen her over our first choice candidates.

6. (Bonus reason) Her constituents seem quite pleased with her and recently re-elected her by a handsome margin. New York is a diverse, and huge, state. They're keen customers in the Empire State. If there was something wrong with her representation, they would have let her know about it.
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mr715 Donating Member (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 01:40 PM
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35. Ooookay
#1 - Top 5 Strongest Environmental Record in the Senate (with Kerry, Lieberman, Dodd, Boxer)

#2 - Most comprehensive energy policy in the Senate - renewable fuels all the way

#3 - Only candidate which PROMISED to end the war

#4 - First candidate to offer comprehensive universal healthcare.

#5 - Offered legislation which fueled the economic recovery of Western and Northern NY

#6 - Won the support of ALL New Yorkers because of her policy, not her party label.

#7 - Strongest advocate of a woman's right to choose

#8 - Works with the greatest minds in politics, including members of the Clinton administration.

#9 - Fights hard and knows how to fight.

#10 - Called the "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy" a vast right wing conspiracy before anyone else did.

#11 - Considered by many to be the hardest working member of the Senate. Dont believe me, ask Trent Lott and Harry Reid.

#12 - Familiarity with the executive process.


Do any of these things mean ANYTHING to you? How many of those can be matched by Kucinich.

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churchofreality Donating Member (545 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 01:55 PM
Response to Reply #35
38. Nice work!
Gives me even more confidence that she will win it all.
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churchofreality Donating Member (545 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 01:53 PM
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37. Here you go
1. She is extremely smart and qualified.

2. She knows how to play the game. She has been able to piss off the left (making her look like a moderate) while I truly believe that she has every intention of fulfilling the goals of the left once she gets in(why play her hand now and give the right reasons to attack her?)

3. She has the money and the network to get her elected (note: a huge donor group in NJ defaulted their support to Hillary because Obama never returned their phone calls).

4. She does not take shit and will fight back unlike Gore and Kerry.

5. She will win all the states Kerry did and add Ohio and/or Florida.
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Cascadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 02:15 PM
Response to Reply #37
41. Okay. Gotcha!
Edited on Wed Apr-04-07 02:15 PM by Cascadian
I might not back her at the moment but I can respect what you are saying.


Thanks!


John
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-04-07 02:14 PM
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40. It's the PRIMARIES!
Back whoever you want to now...

Just be ready to hold your nose and vote for whoever gets it come Nov next year, dammit.

Hell, you don't even have to hold your nose... just keep this in mind: SCOTUS.
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