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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 08:49 PM
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Dean delivered the keynote address at a Yale Political Union debate yesterday.
I was reading the accounts of his talk. It amazes me how he has managed to reach out so evenly. It really hit me how much anger I still have toward far too many on the right. It just wells up some days more than others.

He is a far more fair and accepting person than I am right now. I have quite a way to go. I admire his sense of inclusion. I think I have it some days, but the next I don't.

Dean, Class of ’71 discusses strategy

In the midst of what promises to be a heated race for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination, Democratic National Committee Chairman and former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean ’71 urged Yalies to focus on fundamental political issues and avoid getting steeped in a politicized us-versus-them mentality.



Adam Trettel/Staff Photographer
Howard Dean ’71 walks down York Street on Thursday afternoon. Dean later spoke at the Yale Political Union, where he encouraged discussions about political issues while avoiding an us-versus-them mentality.



He has been talking more lately about reaching out to the red states on the issues that are important to all of us, knowing we won't reach agreement on the wedge issues that have festered so long in this country thanks to Rovian tactics.

Dean, who majored in political science at Yale, delivered the keynote address at a Yale Political Union debate on Thursday evening in addition to holding discussions at a Saybrook Master’s Tea and an event hosted by the Yale Law Democrats earlier in the day.

..."Wearing an American flag pin on his suit jacket, Dean laughed along with the crowd in the Law School Auditorium during the introductory speeches of the debate and said he had been warned about the Union’s tradition of pounding and hissing as signs of agreement and disagreement, students said. In his speech, Dean said Democrats have unfortunately let Republicans assume the role of the sole party interested in protecting “values” by shying away from controversial issues. He said Democrats must instead engage in discussion and debate with evangelicals and residents of “red” states about issues both groups care about — such as the environment and poverty — if the party wishes to win over voters.


He made an interesting comment about the fundraising of the candidates, and I agree.

“I think that it’s great to have plenty of money but I don’t think that people are ruled out by not being up in the stratosphere,” he said. “It’s too early to tell.”


From other comments made, it sounds like he surprised some conservatives who were expecting divisiveness.

One interesting comment from a conservative:

Adam Hirst ’10, who is a member of the Conservative Party, said although he thinks Dean’s 50-State plan is overly optimistic, he felt that Dean’s political analysis was more “on the money” than he had expected it to be. Hirst said despite a few snide remarks about Republicans, Dean spoke calmly and seemed to try not to exert a divisive presence.

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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 08:55 PM
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1. Actually, I think things turned out for the better, in this way:
Dean took over a badly run party destroyed by the DLC. Even if we won in 04 it would have been a shell of a party and the gop would not be falling apart now.
It took one of their own to destroy the conservatives and the direction of the gop. Bush is discredited and so is Cheney. The whole thing is shattered.
With Dean not getting the nomination, while bush was busy killing his party, Dean was giving it direction and strength. He has made the democrats a force and to have pride again.
It actually has worked for the best.
No one but Dean could save our party.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 08:59 PM
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2. I think Dean would've made one hell of a great president
The guy doesn't play the same kind of games the other politicians play. It was shocking when the tables turned so quickly on him after Iowa. Everything seemed to go south after that.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-06-07 10:14 PM
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3. Sounds like this was a quite different speech than one he gave there in 04
I guess it would have to be. It is the nature of being the DNC chairman.

In the one in 04, he went after the media.

Dean '71 criticizes news media



Daniel Yao/Contributing Photographer
Former presidential hopeful Howard Dean ’71 discusses the role of the media in modern-day politics in a symposium at Luce Hall Monday, saying ethical media is essential for the future of the United States’ democracy.


Former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean '71, a former candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination, spoke Tuesday at Yale about the shortcomings of today's print media and the importance of an ethical media in a working democracy.

In the symposium, titled "The Media and the Election: A Postmortem," Dean stressed corporate ownership of the media and the increased focus on entertainment as problems with today's media, and he emphasized the importance of diversity and regulation in fixing these problems. Panelists Evan Thomas, an assistant managing editor for Newsweek, and Martin Nolan, a political reporter and editor of The Boston Globe's editorial page, defended the media's integrity and objectivity.

"The media is a failing institution in this country," Dean said. "They are not maintaining their responsibility to maintain democracy."

...""The media are incapable of regulating themselves," Dean said. "What's at stake is our democracy. If you think that American democracy can survive without an ethical media, then you are wrong."

Dean received a standing ovation and an enthusiastic response from the audience. Approximately 200 members of the Yale community attended the symposium.


And the only change has been that the Democrats control Congress. The media is just the same old same old.

They have been lying and spinning all week about everything.


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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 01:57 AM
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4. You're right about the media, but
As DNC Chairman, Howard has bigger fish to fry now.

And he is proving to be a master chef.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 12:17 PM
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5. Very true.
:hi:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 01:42 PM
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6. Okay, I'm recommending this cause
I'm such a Dean lover!

The pic with Dean and the Yalies is perfect!

I like to know what Adam Hirst considers "snide remarks about republicans" because I'm guessing they were too true remarks about said republiCONS.

"Adam Hirst ’10, who is a member of the Conservative Party, said although he thinks Dean’s 50-State plan is overly optimistic, he felt that Dean’s political analysis was more “on the money” than he had expected it to be. Hirst said despite a few snide remarks about Republicans, Dean spoke calmly and seemed to try not to exert a divisive presence."


"West Side Story"..how creative! I bet Dean got a kick out of that..as well as being an amazing diplomat Dean has the best sense of humor.


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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 04:16 PM
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8. That part was funny, but a little weird.
I guess someone has to protest everywhere our Democrats go.

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 04:21 PM
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9. That's right..they don't get thrown
in jail protesting Dems!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 08:55 PM
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14. Check out THIS protest. This is just too much.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1251

Protest the people who don't care and are not trying. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 09:46 PM
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15. Actually, I just had a thought..
since they do protests so vigorously instead of making the DNC spend $50Million$$..why doesn't Code Pink and Cindy Sheehan organize protestors to bring more attention to our corporatemediawhores? Without them there would have been no bush. Heck, I and thousands of people would join them.

Cindy does go down and protest bush's pig farm but the corporatemedia is key and always has been since I've been paying attention in 2000.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 09:50 PM
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16. Now there's an idea, zidzi.
very good one.

:hi:
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 02:55 PM
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7. Love the comment from the guy class of '10
Edited on Sat Apr-07-07 02:55 PM by FogerRox
Now go back... and recommend this.....
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 06:11 PM
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10. "Aside from a few snide remarks about Republicans"..
Dean's doing a lot better if they thought a few were ok....or Bush is doing worse. :D
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 06:37 PM
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11. And this one is telling
"he felt that Dean’s political analysis was more “on the money” than he had expected it to be."
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 07:39 PM
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12. No kidding.
I love the Good Doctor!

:toast:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 08:09 PM
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13. Nice writeup in the Yale Herald in 2004 about "rising from the ashes"
Saying that Deaniacs have reason to hope again. It presents the reasons he would make a good chairman of the party.

Dean rises from the ashes of infamous scream



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“After Winconsin and Idaho, it’s off to the DNC!”


Deaniacs have a new reason to hope. Even though wary moderates control the Democratic National Committee, Howard Dean, PC '71, vanquished champion of grassroots politics, may become the party's new chairman. After a sudden rise and fall in the primaries and an infamous speech in Iowa, most observers were writing Dean's epitaph. But now, as the Democrats prepare to replace Terry McAuliffe, Dean's skills as an orator, fundraiser, and organizer may be exactly what the party needs.

...."Dean has proven himself to be up to the task. He is one of the most famous Democratic politicians, in part because of his skills as a speaker and fundraiser. About three weeks ago I saw Governor Dean speak in Luce Hall about the need to refocus attention on local elections and grassroots organizing. He was clear and articulate about his convictions, a quality too many Democrats seem to lack in the post-election confusion. Even though I was skeptical, and my immediate bias stood against him, I left that auditorium convinced that Dean would be the best choice for chairman.

...."Should he choose to run, Dean would have to give up thoughts of another presidential run in 2008. Hopefully, he will realize that the DNC chairmanship presents a far better opportunity to frame the coming debate and shape a struggling party. I also hope the party will recognize Dean's strengths. Democrats need a leader who fundamentally wants to reach Southerners and Westerners—"guys with Confederate flags on their pickup trucks"—with a message of economic populism and moral certainty. This is not the time for timidity. Dean would bring strong convictions, rallying the volunteers, many of them college students, who gave so much during this past election. The power vacuum within the Democratic Party is huge, and Dean has the shoes to fill it."


I often think many said ok go ahead be the chairman so he would not run again in 08.

He seems to getting the right mix of combativeness and reaching out.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 11:57 AM
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18. YES! Dean as the Par-ty Chair did
give us lots of Well Placed HOPE!!
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onecent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 10:01 PM
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17. Lord, he is sexy! n/t
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