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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 08:53 PM
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Obama is tied with Hillary nationally.
April 23, 2007
For the fourth straight week, Illinois Senator Barack Obama (D) has gained ground and he has finally caught New York Senator Hillary Clinton in the race for the Democratic Presidential nomination. It’s now Obama 32% Clinton 32% and former North Carolina Senator John Edwards holding steady at 17%. New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson is a distant fourth at 3%. Senators Chris Dodd and Joe Biden each attract 1% support. So does General Wesley Clark (who has not announced he is running, I would add).

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/Political%20Tracking/Democratic%20Primaries/DemocraticPresidentialPrimary.htm

This is good news overall for the Democratic Party. While I would like to see Richardson doing better, and resent the media blackout of the "2nd tier" candidates, the fact is that if trends continue Obama will soon overtake Clinton as the Democratic frontrunner. Obama is a good choice. Everytime I hear him speak I am struck how sincere and statesmanlike he sounds. He has a seriousness about him, yet connnects with people better than Gore (who I just mention for comparison because he was often regarded as "stiff"). Obama seems a step above he rest of the field...there is definitely something about him that is tangible...real leadership potential and vision.
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Big Pappa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 08:58 PM
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1. And momentum is the key!
4 weeks in a row!
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 09:07 PM
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3. I Love it.. They're neck and neck..
This is when you'll see Hillary excel. She's at her best when under pressure.
I hope Obama isn't afraid of being in such close proximity to Hillary. :hi:
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 10:14 PM
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25. Yep, just ask Howard Dean.
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Big Pappa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 11:55 PM
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35. Gov. Dean was a little
different though, he had the initial momentum and then Senator Kerry pulled ahead. This time we have Hillary in the lead with Sen. Obama closing. But hell it is still so early that most of these polls mean shit. But as always it is fun to speculate.
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onna no hito Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 09:05 PM
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2. I wish Barack would wait until he has more experience
Edited on Mon Apr-23-07 09:07 PM by onna no hito
He will get killed in a national campaign.

Hillary will be a much tougher campaigner despite her high negatives
which (btw)wont go any higher-everyone has pretty much made up their
minds about her-and she leads all the Gop candidates.

On the other hand, The GOP slander machine will destroy the neophyte (2 year old senator) Obama.

I remember it was republican neocon david brooks who first encouraged obama
to run. I frankly don't trust David Brooks to give democrats honest advice.

Barack will be 10-12 points down to the gop nominee after labor day-if he gets the nomination
which I hope he doesnt. He's letting his ego get in the way of good judgement. he needs to wait till he's ready-no disrespect intended, he's just not yet ready.he's young and has plenty of time to develop and grow.


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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 09:10 PM
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6. I don't understand where you get these numbers...out of thin air, perhaps?
Fact is, 48% of Americans will definitely vote against Clinton.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/Political%20Tracking/Dailies/April%202007/fororAgainst20070417.htm

Yes, I would like a more experienced candidate as well. I'd like Clark, but I'm not sure that he's going to be running. Given the data we have at the moment, Obama stands a far better chance of winning in the general election than Senator Clinton.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 09:26 PM
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12. Nothing is "definate" until the last vote is counted!
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 09:30 PM
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15. Ras is GOP - GOP polls do not influence most people - indeed all polls a year out do not
influence most people.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 09:16 PM
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8. Abe Lincoln needed more experience too...
:sarcasm:

Actually, just how much experience does one need? Obama has served two terms as congressman as well as being Senator now. He's taught constitutional law and has a very interesting, diverse background. He has shown many signs of leadership and people are excited by his candidacy. He knows the issues and he certainly is intelligent enough to find ways to get things done in Washington.

As for the GOP slander machine, tell me ANY candidate that they will not try to slander and demonize. That's just part of the drill when running against the Republican Party.

Your assessment that Barack will be "10-12 points down to the gop nominee after labor day" is completely unfounded. What metrics are you using to give any notion that the trend you indicate will happen.

If you think Senator Clinton would be a better candidate to run, good for you... we'll see what happens in the primary season. I fully expect her to campaign for Obama when he is the nominee. :->



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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 09:29 PM
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14. Obama never taught Constitutional Law ... he was a guest lecturer..thats it!
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 09:34 PM
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18. Chicago Sun-Times: "Professor Obama was a listener, students say"
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 10:31 PM
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26. HE said, he taught Constitutional Law...records show he was a senior guest lecturer..
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Scriptor Ignotus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 11:54 PM
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34. he taught Constitutional Law
AND he was (is?) a senior guest lecturer. I think you may be splitting hairs a bit.


http://www.law.uchicago.edu/faculty/obama/courses.html
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 12:30 AM
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36. I don't know what her problem is... for real...
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 08:06 AM
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37. I love it when someone try to say something
and then gets egg on face. You should always have facts before trying to smear. Great Job for having your backup handy. Good JOB:rofl:
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 08:32 AM
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38. There is a difference...
Obama Was A Constitutional Law Professor: false Teaching Law and being a Law Professor are two different things

At A Recent Fundraiser, Obama Claimed He Was A "Constitutional Law Professor." "'I was a constitutional law professor, which means unlike the current president I actually respect the Constitution,' Obama told an audience at a campaign fundraiser." (Brendan Farrington, "Obama: Bush Fails To Respect The Constitution," The Associated Press, 3/30/07)

* On The University Of Chicago Law School Website, Obama Is Listed As A "Senior Lecturer In Law (On Leave Of Absence)." (University Of Chicago Law School Website, http://www.law.uchicago.edu/faculty/obama, Accessed 3/30/07)

Obama Made This False Claim In His 2004 Senate Race. "Several direct-mail pieces issued for Obama's primary campaign said he was a law professor at the University of Chicago. He is not. He is a senior lecturer (now on leave) at the school. In academia, there is a vast difference between the two titles. Details matter." (Lynn Sweet, "Obama's Book: What's Real, What's Not" Chicago Sun-Times, 8/8/04)

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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 08:38 AM
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39. Yes, this post should have read..
He taught law but was not a Law Professor.. I said this late last night.

But nevertheless, the distinction is as real as the mis-perception.
And the correction was necessary for keeping the record straight.

sorry to get your eggs scrambeled, ethel..but thems the breaks when you start throwing them prematurely.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 10:42 PM
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27. I totally agree with your assessment

Obama seems to be able to handle the situation extremely well.

I'm not bashing Hillary or any other Democratic Candidate, that is the best way to handle this situation, IMO.

Remember that we have a very short measuring stick in GW.

After GW, I know some Kindergarten children that have a better ability to lead.

They know how to put their hand over their heart when they pledge to our flag ~ recall GW putting his hand above his waist. :)

They know how to smile and be nice to animals ~ GW's mother didn't teach him to be kind to animals.
Obama is doing just find ~ :applause:
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 09:21 PM
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10. I wish Hillary would give up her presidential dreams, because...
blah, blah, blah...

If you don't like Obama, don't vote for him. That's it.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 09:23 PM
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11. yes, I see exactly what you describe...
I caught a glimpse of Obama's ego when he made his initial appearance on Leno.

The old rule applys. You never enter your horse in a race s/he can't win.
I know Hillary has been schooling herself for this day for a very long time.

After reading the text of the speech Obama gave on Sunday-
Him, not so much. But, I wish him luck in the debate.
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 09:32 PM
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16. You don't "school" yourself on how to be elected president
It takes some natural talent. Obama has it; HRC does not. Any doubts on this were erased in Selma. Obama was articulate, confident, charismatic, and looked presidential. HRC came across as a total phony (even without the "Kentucky Fried Hillary" incident), scripted, and a stiff. She does not have the personality needed to be elected. To HRC I say, I knew Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton was a president of mine. Senator, you're no Bill Clinton.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 09:35 PM
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19. You got it right, draft!
Edited on Mon Apr-23-07 09:36 PM by Katzenkavalier
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 09:43 PM
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21. No, you school yourself on ISSUES and SOLUTIONS..
and provide a vision for the future! I haven't heard any mention of a vision for the future from Obama.
All I've seen from you, are your pompous posts telling people what to do, and who to vote for. When you're not climbing up into someone's grill agitating and festering toxic conflicts.

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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 09:46 PM
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22. Relax, Tell...
I mean, if Hillary is everything you have said she is, and Obama is what you and the other Hillarites say he is, she will beat him easily. By a landslide.

So, there is actually nothing to worry about then! Obama is just a momentary distraction, right? :)

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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 10:08 PM
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23. No, not exactly..
my opinion isn't couched with envy, jealousy or meant to be taken as meanspirited in any way. Of course, I want Hillary as the nominee, she's more than ready to take on the GOP. I just don't feel anywhere near the same confidence in Obama. But thats just me, Katz and the OP.
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Nedsdag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 08:50 AM
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40. Excuse me?
What's Hillary's "vision for the future?"

Oh, that's right! She doesn't have one except wanting to live in the White House again.

Give me a break! Hillary is the past, Obama IS the future!
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 03:52 PM
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42. That isn't enough to win
To ignore the personality aspect of presidential politics is unrealistic. How do you think Bush beat Kerry? If it were soley about merit that election would have never been close. Enough people bought the "I could have a beer with him" myth about Dubya to allow him to win.
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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 11:47 PM
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33. I wish Lincoln would wait until he has more experience.
Just two years in the House? A number of defeats in various elections? I find it odd that so many think he can be a good president.

These are difficult times. America is a divided country. We cannot afford Abraham Lincoln as our President!

:sarcasm:
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-24-07 10:23 AM
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41. You almost sound like you know what you're talking about!
Almost.

I am not an Obama supporter but I disagree with your assessment completely. He got to where he is by winning elections as a candidate. There's something to be said for taking the long hard slog from local/state politics to the Big Game of US Senate.

Hillary may be brilliant et al but she has won one election as a candidate herself that she never would've considered running for if she hadn't been married to Bill.

From the perspective of actually getting elected to office, Obama's got a lot more experience than many of our other candidates.

Just throwing that out there as a relatively objective observer.

Julie
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 09:08 PM
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4. Funny, I was just reading the Economist...
...they seemed to think that Clinton was still a lock for the nomination, as Edwards and Obama are splitting the anti-Hillary camp down the middle.

Fair analysis or biased crap? (They're definitely not on the Neo-Con side anymore--in the same issue, they criticized Bush, McCain, and co. relentlessly. )
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 09:11 PM
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7. Yesterday's news. nt
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 09:08 PM
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5. Still early.
Edited on Mon Apr-23-07 09:08 PM by mmonk
And as far as Richardson goes, I believe momentum will be coming.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 09:19 PM
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9. Beautiful! We got the momentum going!
Hopefully the debate on Thursday will make things go even better for us!
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 09:29 PM
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13. I'm an Obama supporter but, I like Richardson, Too. he was on harball tonite.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 09:32 PM
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17. Yep, I like Richardson as well-
Clinton-Richardson.. swwweet!
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 09:35 PM
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20. Obama-Richardson, even better.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 10:10 PM
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24. Clinton-Richardson...you can't get better than Best! ;)
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 10:45 PM
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28. Unfortuantely for you, Hillary's jewels don't match Obama's gold...
to say nothing of his broad-based support.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 10:48 PM
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29. Thats too bad..
Hillary's Jewels are people like you-
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 11:04 PM
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31. I don't get it. Do you support Senator Clinton for POTUS? nt
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 10:54 PM
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30. It is inevitable that the Hillary boat sink. good news.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-23-07 11:06 PM
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32. I thought you knew.. Hillary is the Goddess of Cool..
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