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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 05:22 PM
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I'm now REALLY confused about Obama's Secret Service protection....
According to CNN.com, both Homeland Security AND Obama's own people deny there's been any "specific threat" against the Senator's life. What there has been, "hate mail, calls and other 'threatening materials,'" seems pretty standard for any popular candidate for public office.

Another quote: "They said the request stemmed from what one called the 'cumulative effect' of a heavier campaign schedule, larger crowds and "just the growing perception internally" that it was time to take additional security precautions that are best suited for the Secret Service."

I find it hard to believe Barack's the only current presidential candidate with these simple "crowd control" type of issues. Either the standards for government protection have changed dramatically, or they're all trying to downplay whatever has REALLY transpired.

Here's the link.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 05:24 PM
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1. Or they're trying to keep him alive because he's been pre-selected for us.
- signed, Captain Cynic.

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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 05:28 PM
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3. That's the most paranoid thing I've ever heard.
Why would the federal government under W pre-select a popular Democratic Senator for 2008?

Who's this "they," Cap? Our alien overlords? :tinfoilhat:
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 05:37 PM
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6. Why do you think I didn't sign my real fake name?
LOL!

Hey...it's a message board. You don't have to take EVERYTHING seriously, do you?

That said...I won't get into the reasons why I even thought of this scenerio...other than that Barack Obama would be a strong black candidate who will wind up taking the blame for surrendering to Al Qaida, thus undermining black advancement made over the years and helping the old fat rich white guys of the republican party "prove" their point and shore up their hater base.

I hope you brought an extra roll of tin foil...my head's a veritable baked potato!

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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 05:58 PM
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13. LOL, touche, my friend.
I take EVERYTHING too seriously--ask any of my friends.

But I tend to stay away from tin foil--Ziplock keeps in the freshness! :crazy:
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 05:58 PM
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14. delete
Edited on Thu May-03-07 05:59 PM by Bicoastal
dupe
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 05:24 PM
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2. He had 20,000 in Atlanta recently--I wondered on this forum if he
had adequate protection. I don't care why, I'm just glad the decision was made.
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eyesroll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 05:28 PM
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4. "Growing perception internally" = "lots of nutjobs hate black people."
He and Hillary Clinton are naturally bigger targets than Edwards, Dodd, et. al., because of their race and gender, respectively.

Clinton already gets Secret Service protection, being a recent former First Lady and all...it makes sense Obama would be getting protection too.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 05:32 PM
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5. I think the republicans are giving him a lot of hype.
They did that to Hillary trying to put her on top. They know that Hillary nor Obama is electible. I don't care what anyone says. They are both very very good candidates. But there is no way, that this country would elect a woman or a black to be president.

But with the way the fringe element of the republican party hate there probably is a credible threat to Obama. They are the sickest bunch of people in the world. They even are on a par to the terrorist in the Middle East.
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bling bling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 05:56 PM
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12. "There is no way, that this country would elect a woman or a black to be president."
You'll feel a lot better about it when Hillary or Obama wins if you don't have to remember that you were a member of the side that defeatedly said it couldn't happen.

If you truly think Clinton or Obama are great candidates then choose to be on the side of hope and it will make the celebration all the more sweet when the time comes. AND, if you work to make the hope come alive, you can feel proud to have been a part of it. How often do you get the chance to be a part of a proud moment in history that will be encapsulated for posterity?
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 06:21 PM
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19. Be careful -- you might be projecting.
I think this country could very well be ready for either of them.
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 05:42 PM
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7. They are trying to
downplay what is really going on. They do not want to give out any information regarding it. It makes sense.
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 05:44 PM
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8. Is he being set up? Then Bush** & Co can say "we tried to protect him"
Rove is afraid of Obama.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 05:49 PM
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9. Here's some more info on this from the Chi-Trib:
Durbin concerns lead to Obama's Secret Service detail

Posted by Christi Parsons at 4:55 p.m. CDT

Concerned about the safety of Sen. Barack Obama on the presidential campaign trail, Sen. Dick Durbin two weeks ago went to the Senate’s top Democrat to point out the danger he thought his fellow Illinois Democrat might be in.

Durbin said he told Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid about the size of the crowds he’d seen on the campaign trail with Obama, and also that he showed Reid some unspecified material that added to his concern.

That conversation lead Thursday to the assignment of a Secret Service detail to Obama, the earliest in a presidential campaign the service has ever made the decision to cover a candidate not already under their protection as an office holder.

“I wasn’t forcing this on Harry Reid,” Durbin said in an interview with the Tribune on Thursday afternoon. “I gave him what I thought to be the facts of the matter. I asked him, based on his experience, to make a judgment if it should be brought up for consideration.”

more... http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/news_theswamp/2007/05/durbin_concerns.html
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 05:51 PM
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11. Good catch!
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 06:02 PM
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15. Are his crowds really that huge?
Larger than any other presidential candidate in history has managed to draw a full year before the nomination?

If so, wow.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 06:21 PM
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18. Some are. From the AJC on his Atlanta speech:
20,000 turn out for Obama

By TOM BAXTER, SAEED AHMED
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 04/14/07

At what may have been his largest campaign event this year, U.S. Sen. Barack Obama drew on a hometown hero's words at an Atlanta rally Saturday to voice his opposition to the war in Iraq.

Recalling the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.'s words that the Vietnam War had become "morally and politically untenable," Obama said the war in Iraq has come to be about "an administration that is trying to preserve its own political viability."

"It is about stubbornness and obstinacy. And we have to keep ratcheting up the pressure every day and every week to tell the president that it is time to change course, that it is time for us to start bringing our combat troops home from Iraq," the Illinois senator and Democratic presidential candidate told an enthusiastic midday crowd at Yellow Jacket Park on the Georgia Tech campus.

Officials estimated the crowd size at 20,000, making it one of Obama's largest rallies. His turnout also would make it one of the biggest presidential political rallies in Atlanta's history, and easily the largest this early in the race — 18 months before the election.

Obama drew more metro Atlantans than then-President Bill Clinton did when he stumped here in 1996 and attracted an estimated 10,000 people. George W. Bush drew about 2,200 people when he made a campaign stop in Duluth in March 2000, nine months before his first election to the White House.

more... https://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/atlanta/stories/2007/04/14/0414metobama_web.html


Estimated attendance at other public appearances this year for presidential hopeful U.S. Sen. Barack Obama, who spoke in Atlanta on Saturday:

• 1,500-plus in Fairfax, Va., on Feb. 2

• 15,000-17,000 in Springfield, Ill., on Feb. 10

• 5,000-plus in Ames, Iowa on Feb. 11

• 7,000 in Chicago on Feb. 11

• 15,000-20,000 in Austin, Texas, Feb. 23

• 10,000-plus in Cleveland on Feb. 26

• 1,000-plus in Des Moines, Iowa, on March 9

• 10,000 in Oakland, Calif., March 17

• 1,000 in Oklahoma City on March 19

• 2,200 in Keene, N.H., on April 2




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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 06:50 PM
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20. There's something more going on here
Approved unanimously by both Democratic and Republican Senators. It sounds like there is a real threat and they all believe in it.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 07:01 PM
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22. I'm curious about the "unspecified material" Durbin showed Reid.
We'll probably never know, but I'm thankful Obama now has SS protection.
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 05:49 PM
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10. They probably had threats, but aren't going to make them public.
There are certain criteria that need to be met before secret service protection is granted. Apparently, Obama met those criteria.
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 06:15 PM
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16. CNN
Just stated he has received hate mail.
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TroglodyteScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 06:19 PM
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17. Hadn't there been some threats against his family a few months ago? n/t
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-03-07 06:57 PM
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21. Obama Security
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18474444/


Federal law allows candidates to seek protection if they meet a series of standards, including public prominence as measured by polls and fundraising.

In a Feb. 12 interview with The Associated Press, Obama dismissed concerns about his own security, but would not answer directly when asked if he had received death threats. The Rev. Jesse Jackson drew early Secret Service protection because of violent threats during his campaigns for president in the 1980s.

“I face the same security issues as anybody,” Obama told the AP. “We’re comfortable with the steps we have taken.”

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