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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 12:40 AM
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Mario Cuomo's legendary DNC speech is finally on Youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOdIqKsv624

This condenses his 39 minute speech to 7 minutes but covers most of the major parts of the great speech. For the record, I did not make this.

One of the things that are evident in the video is his passion. Cuomo was a politician who believed in principles and fought for them. He was not one of those rudderless politicians that will do anything to achieve their lone objective of gaining or retaining power. He was also not afraid of calling the Republicans on their policies. Cuomo was no ashamed or afraid of being a Democrat. I wish we had more Democrats like Gov. Cuomo today.

There is a thread on this in the videos forum but I believe the message Cuomo delivered, the passion he displayed, the courageous criticism of the Republicans (courageous only compared to the timidity you see from many of today's Dems, who are narrow, vague, and operate from a defensive position even when they make their tepid criticisms of Republicans--almost always particular Republicans, not the entire party and its philosophy as Cuomo did) is worth meriting a GD thread that more people will read.
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 12:54 AM
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1. Great Speech
I remember it well. After, I felt we had a new light in the Democratic Party. It's a shame he never took the plunge - but there was a reason obviously. We may never know what it was, but clearly he could have had the nomination TWICE and passed. Classic speech though. I have the entire speech on VHS. I need to digitize it. CSPAN ran a special during the overnight hours during the '92 conventions showing the major convention speeches from 1960-1988 for both parties. I taped it all. Classic political stuff.
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 02:10 PM
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9. I think the real reason he didn't run was the polls
Bush was likely to win in 1988 and in December of 1991 Bush I was at 70% in the polls. It is a shame Mario never took the plunge. Imagine what could have been achieved under 8 years of President Cuomo. We could have had that one shining city for all the people, not just the few and fortunate. He would have been the most progressive president since FDR.
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Hart2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 01:04 PM
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14. Why Cuomo didn’t run in ‘92
I know someone who claims that he had dinner with Cuomo to try to convince him to run for President. Cuomo told him that Bush would be unbeatable because of he won the first Gulf War.

Was that his real reason?

Only Cuomo knows for sure. With the growing invasiveness of the media into a candidate’s personal life, it is not surprising that very qualified people might decide not to run for the Presidency. When he withdrew after the Washington Post blackmailed him in ’87, Hart said he feared we would get the kind of leaders we deserved.

Was he prescient in saying that?
Did very qualified leaders like Mario Cuomo decline to run for President because of a rabidly invasive news media?

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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 01:20 AM
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2. Yes it was a great speech, and I have deep respect for Mario Cuomo
When I reviewed it again during the 2004 Primaries I was struck by how clearly and forcefully it articulated the concept of two America's years before that theme was ressurected in the 2004 race, including the very language Cuomo used: "the America on the hill, and the other America..."
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 02:07 PM
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8. That was great and Cuomo did not limit his criticism to one person
Mario went after conservatism as much as conservatives attack progressivism. Unfortunately, today's top Democrats limit their criticism to George W. Bush. Bush is a mere symptom, not the disease itself. The real problem is conservatism. Does anyone really think we would have been any better off with McCain or Giuliani in office instead of Bush?
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 01:31 AM
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3. Wonderful speech ....
Will you be posting this every week ?
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 02:21 AM
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4. Some years,
the guy who makes the dynamite speech at the convention is NOT the one who gets the nomination. It happened in 1984.

It also happened in 1980, with Teddy Kennedy making the dynamite speech.


I was a state convention delegate for Teddy, and I was informed that my precinct judge was mad at me for being too liberal. :wtf:

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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 02:31 AM
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5. Too bad he had that girlfriend problem.
As I recall, that's what ended his presidential aspirations. Some girlfriend issue. Too bad. I'm old enough to remember his hey day...I think he would've been a "contender."
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 11:33 AM
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6. I don't believe so
He is a pretty sraight-arrow Catholic. Gary Hart? Girlfriend problem. But, Mario Cuomo?
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 05:44 PM
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10. Yes, I think he had a mistress. I'm not confusing him with Gary Hart.
But maybe I'm confusing him w/someone else. He was being eyed as a possible candidate for the next prez election, but there was some scandal, as I recall. A mistress or something.

The Gary Hart deal...it wasn't a mistress, as such. He was fooling around with some babes out on a boat, and there appeared on the cover of some mag a photo of Donna Rice sitting in his lap on his boat. It was a party with babes....for certain purposes. And so ended his aspirations of becoming President.
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 07:35 PM
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11. I worked on Hart's campaign (volunteer) in '84 and '88
Edited on Wed May-09-07 07:41 PM by democrat2thecore
Yes, it was a disaster for Hart in 1988. He made a stupid mistake by saying he wasn't a womanizer and challenged the newspapers to follow him. The Miami Herald DID. Busted. Believe me, for those of us working on the campaign, it was very disillusioning. Hart made a mistake, but the media changed forever with that campaign and it was open-season on the private life of any candidate.

A Cuomo mistress story and/or any scandal is not correct. It's always been a mystery why he didn't run in 1992 (especially). The polls looked good for Bush, but that wouldn't deter a guy as passionate as Mario Cuomo. He even had a plane fueled, running and ready to go in Albany to file at the last minute for the New Hampshire primary; but in the end, the plane was put in the hangar and he chose to sit out the '92 race. No scandals though.

edit for spelling
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Hart2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 12:53 PM
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12. MYTH! Hart Challenged no one. The Miami Herald did not follow him, nor knew of any such challenge!
Gary Hart issued no challenge. He made a statement in exasperation after E. J. Dionne Jr. insisted upon discussing rumors about his personal life.

To quote former New Jersey Senator Bill Bradley:
“Two days after the stakeout began, as this story spread, the New York Times Sunday Magazine published a generally glowing cover story on presidential frontrunner Hart, written by the paper’s then chief political writer E.J. Dionne. (The former student of CNN’s Bill Schneider, mentioned above as a debunker of this story we think we know.) In that story, Hart, exasperated for a moment by Dionne’s returning to questions of dalliances with women not his wife in the midst of all the weighty talk they were sharing, challenged Dionne to follow him around. Which he did not.”
http://billbradley.pajamasmedia.com/2006/02/20/what_we_think_we_know.php

(One of the people known to have been spreading rumors that Hart was a womanizer is Susan Estrich, who ran the pathetic Dukakis campaign. Another Dukakis campaign staffer ruined Biden’s ’88 bid with the tape that “proved” Biden plagiarized Neil Kinnock.)

Dionne himself remains an admirer of Hart:
“Gary Hart the only candidate in either party to offer a fully thought-through alternative foreign policy. Hart, who was much taken by Gorbachev during a visit to the Soviet Union, called his plan Enlightened Engagement and suggested that in the next period, the United States and the Soviet Union might find that they had many interests in common. The real problem the US faced, he said, was the proliferation of conflict in the Third World. In light of the subsequent developments, notably those in the Persian Gulf, Hart’s grand vision was prophetic. But it never got much of a hearing, since his candidacy collapsed in the far from grand controversy over his personal life.”
Why Americans Hate Politics, by E.J. Dionne, 1991

Dionne continues to laud Hart’s service to the nation:
“It is not only a great honor to be here at Yale Divinity School to give this keynote address. It is also intimidating, and on many fronts. First, this audience includes many people whom I admire and who have given serious and profound thought to the issues I’m addressing, notably the two Yale Divinity grads who have rendered so much distinguished and courageous service to our country, Gary Hart and David Price.”
(Quoted from Dionne’s submitted prepared remarks: “The Quest for a Beloved Commity: Religion, Democracy and Civic Life” keynote address at Yale Divinity School, May 3, 2007. We are still waiting for a transcript of this occasion since Hart and Dionne may have had more to say on the previous controversy.)

The whole business that Hart “challenged” the media to follow him is a media created fig leaf to justify what was an unprecedented invasion of a candidate’s privacy. The Miami Herald set out to destroy Hart’s reputation. They DID NOT FOLLOW GARY HART. They claim to have followed Donna Rice, lost her at the airport and then began spying on Hart’s rented Washington townhouse. (Hart’s wife and family never lived there contrary to the Miami Herald’s reporting that Lee Hart wasn’t home. Lee Hart’s home always was in Colorado. So the bit about Hart’s wife wasn’t home was crap too.) They saw Donna Rice and two other people enter the townhouse. Shortly thereafter, Hart saw the reporters hiding in his bushes and went out the front door to confront them, while at the same time his guests left by way of the back door. Either the Miami Herald’s reporter’s didn’t see them leave, or having to defend the cost of sending three reporters by air to D.C., didn’t want to see them leave. They persisted in printing the story that Donna Rice spent the night in Hart’s townhouse even though Hart and all of his guests said otherwise. Donna Rice spent the night at the home of Mr. Bill Broadhurst, a D.C. attorney with another friend. The truth didn’t matter because sex sells.

Twenty years ago, Rice, a Phi Beta Kappa, said that she slept on a different boat than Hart in Bimini. Despite being offer millions of dollars for an interview on the subject by major news organization, Rice has never changed her story. Presently she works to protect children from Internet pornography. In the only interview she has ever given on the subject, she speaks of Hart being a gentleman and her troubled past that included being raped:
http://www.christianitytoday.com/tcw/6w5/6w5042.html
The whole of his relationship with Rice, who had been the girlfriend of the Eagles Don Henley (who wrote “Dirty Laundry” about the Hart-Rice story), consisted of the trip to Bimini onboard the stately yacht, some phone calls, and Rice’s very brief visit to Hart’s D.C. townhouse.

Supposedly, the Miami Herald began investigating the story based on an anonymous informant who claimed that Hart’s relationship with Rice, whatever it was, was the equivalent of the Iran-Contra affair, a Constitutional crisis. At best the anonymous informant was a deceitful woman who needed a published story to sell the now infamous photo of Rice, which was stolen from her, sitting on Hart’s lap on a dock. At worst, the anonymous informant was working for another campaign and sought to sabotage the Hart campaign. Since the Miami Herald never bothered to confirm the identity of the source, we can only surmise who it may have been. (And we will on our website…) The absurdity of the Iran-Contra comparison is that Iran-Contra had roots in Miami, which to the best of my knowledge the Miami Herald never broke a single story about it, but could spare three reporters to find and then follow an unknown woman, so they said, through the Miami airport to D.C., and to “stake out” Hart’s townhouse. (In fact a journalist lived in Hart’s basement so the need for the Miami Herald to spy on Hart is even more ridiculous.) Furthermore, the Miami Herald was named by the Church committee report as a news publication, which had previously received money from the CIA to publish favorable news stories. Combine that with the fact that Hart confronted George H. W. Bush at his confirmation hearing for CIA director with CIA records indicating that he was CIA asset in Miami at the time of the JFK assassination and Bush was the ring leader of Iran-Contra and you may draw your own conclusions as to what the Miami Herald’s agenda was here.

The Miami Herald did not drive Hart from the race in ’87. To again quote Bill Bradley:
“The Donna Rice incident is not the reason Hart fatefully withdrew from the race. The real reason Hart withdrew ultimately led the Washington Post’s chief political reporter to quit journalism in disgust. But that’s a story for another time.”
http://billbradley.pajamasmedia.com/2006/02/20/what_we_think_we_know.php
Unfortunately, while Hart was defending himself against the incorrect Miami Herald story, the Washington Post blackmailed him with publishing accounts of his activities while separated from his wife if he didn’t drop out. (Hart had roomed with Bob Woodward during one separation.) THAT caused Hart to drop out of the race. Hart protected a lady’s reputation, which is far from being a womanizer.

The whole of the matter was completely unprecedented. Reagan had been the first divorced President. No one ever demanded to know why his marriage failed. (After he left office, I read one story that he forced himself on an actress in her trailer while filming a movie with her.) It was common knowledge in D.C. that George H.W. Bush had an “office wife” in Jennifer Fitzgerald, but it was not reported:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer_Fitzgerald

Why should Hart have known that his personal life was open to publication?

Why the double standard for Hart?


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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 02:03 PM
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7. That was Gary Hart I believe
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 01:03 PM
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13. This speech and Barbara Jordan's may well have been among th best ever delivered
Certainly the best ever delivered at a convention .....
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Marnieworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 03:41 PM
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15. Thank you so much!
:applause:
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xkenx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 07:49 PM
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16. Here's what Mario Cuomo said about wes Clark
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 08:06 PM
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17. I hope Clark runs
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