You realize that no one has been held accountable for stealing the last 2 elections.

And Congress can't control Bush and his minions in any meaningful way.

So why do any of you expect Democrats to win in 08? The evil machine is still running fine and isn't being stopped so they election will go to whoever the evil mechanics want.

Your Democratic vote is totally worthless unless Congress can figure out some way to hold Republicans accountable.

An unrealistic goal apparently.

But so far, it has certainly not been enough to stop them from a repeat of
2000, or 2008.

Which state will they use next time?

I haven't seen any recent figures.

I bet we're getting up to 40% election result skeptics.

It's a lot harder to steal elections when the people know what you're up to.

Election '06 "totally worthless"? Can you say oversight? Sure you can.

Pointless hyperbole is certainly "totally worthless."

The OP did not place - as you did - "Election '06" with "totally worthless" in the same sentence.

The reference the OP made was with the last two presidential elections which were stolen. Yes?

Does your hyperbole have a point?

Nothing in between. Thx for demonstrating my point.

>The OP did not place - as you did - "Election '06" with "totally worthless" in the same sentence.

STFW?

>The reference the OP made was with the last two presidential elections which were stolen. Yes?

No. The OP did not specify presidential elections, rather simply "stealing the last 2 elections."

>Does your hyperbole have a point?

Plz point out my hyperbole.

were any of the congressional elections in 2006 stolen?

Your hyperbole was saying that the OP claims that election 2006 was worthless. At the very least your attribution was false. Go read the OP again to see where your hyperbole lies.

elected in 06 as in "Your Democratic vote is totally worthless unless Congress...." The OP does not specify if the Democratic vote in question is for 08 or 06. Read, indeed.

>...any of the congressional elections in 2006 stolen?

Certainly.

We can't control the new right-wing employees of the Justice Dept., who will no doubt fail to look into cases of voter suppression, etc. We have no legislated paper trail (what happened to that bill anyway?), and Diebold will probably provide machines in key districts ~ so it'll be the same ol' same ol' as far as Republican dirty tricks go.

imo our only hope is to make sure the election isn't close enough to steal ~ we really have to get out the progressive vote, including LOTS of new voters! I've told a couple of you about the campaign for smart gutsy progressive women I'm involved it. Instead of volunteering for one of the candidates this time, I wanted to work on getting out enough votes to counter any tricks the Reps have up their sleeves.

WOMENSVOTE2008 is already beginning to catch on (we started early) ~ I hope you'll help us spread the word! You can check it out at: and

(We also have cool progressive stuff for men and kids!)



We have to make sure that every progressive we know VOTES!!! :)

Like I dont know, having bad aim and ruining a dress. Unless its Hilary then there will probably be lesbian allegations. fucking repukes.

From the Guardian:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-6478091,00.html

Two election workers were convicted of attempting to rig the recount, after the vote, in Cuhoyaga County.

It's not much, and their quoted protestations at the end of the article ring rather hollow ("Oh, NO, we weren't told what to do, there was no conspiracy"), but maybe it's a start.

My personal favorite websites for keeping track of the attempts to hold someone accountable are:

http://www.freepress.org


http://www.bradblog.com

"kpete" is a regular contributor here at DU, who tries to stay on top of these efforts.

...Which leads me to a question, if I wanted to do a DU website-only search for all of kpete's entries, or some of those I remember seeing on this topic, how would I do it? Is that kind of thing possible here?

I've tried using the search engine here, but ended up going back to Google to look, because I didn't get any results. (I know, I may not have been careful enough, defining the search terms.)

the "04 elections were stolen" argument.

Those districts in question (exit polls not matching results) used Diebold machines, after the head of that company had publicly promised to deliver the election to Bush.

and you will understand the arguments better.

http://www.commander-n-thief.com/

Litmus test-proven rabid partisan wingnuts have infiltrated the Justice Department office that deals with elections. Doesn't bode well.

:scared:

Sorry to nudge, Dems, but this needs to be addressed tout suite.

Even if a Dem is elected, he'll probably be impeached over doing something dumb (like banging interns) but it it's the choice between that and letting the Rethugs take control, the answer is simple: Fight. Always, always fight and if they knock you down, bite their ankles.

When faced with completely overwhelming force, the only option is complete defiance, never stop fighting. Right now, I keep going not because I'm sure of victory but because there's no other option. Well, that and the possibility of fucking Bush up on the way.

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