ARG Polls: California, Florida, Michigan...Hillary holds wide leads in all three

California

Hillary 37
Obama 28
Edwards 15


Florida

Hillary 45
Obama 17
Edwards 15


Michigan

Hillary 38
Obama 25
Edwards 14

http://americanresearchgroup.com/


Interesting note: Poll also has Romney ahead in Michigan

Anyone who reviewed Hillary's record would not be supportive of her.

Hillary supporters must be ignorant!!

:rofl:

But when it's good news for Mr's Clinton there must be something wrong with the poll. Can you all at least be consistent? Sheesh! :eyes:

and strong in the primary polls.

That seems pretty consistent to me.

In the latest Marist poll...to be accurate about it

I finially saw one, and it is the only one I have seen.

In the general election polls...
Obama often outperforms Edwards and Hillary.
Edwards often outperforms Obama and Hillary.
Hillary usually underperforms both Edwards and Obama.
Hillary occasionally will outperform one or the other, rarely both.

In favorable/unfavorable polls Hillary is ALWAYS worse than Obama and Edwards.

The number of people committed to voting against Hillary is ALWAYS higher than the number committed to voting against Obama and Edwards.

That seems pretty accurate, correct?

Since you think it is very important how Hillary does against Republicans as opposed to Obama and Edwards, I know you would want to be accurate in pointing out those cases where she is in fact showing greater strength than them...

Obama and Edwards in the general election.

What I said is accurate?

and I'll be voting for her in Florida's early primary. :hi:

:hi:

and I'll be happy to support her IF she ends up being the party's nominee.

That odd little numbers-crunching thing Mydd did to downplay Clinton's numbers.

And with Florida moving it's primary date up, I get happier by the day!|

You all just crack me up sometimes. :rofl:

Florida Moves Up Primary Date — Could Force Big Confrontation With Dean
By Eric Kleefeld

CNN reports that the Florida legislature has passed a bill to move their primary up to January 29, a week ahead of the intended "national primary" date of February 5. Now all it needs is GOP Governor Charlie Crist's signature, and it could completely upend the Presidential primary calendar.

Florida has done this despite the fact that both party chairs — the RNC's Mel Martinez, a Floridian himself, and the DNC's Howard Dean — made unsuccessful bids to block the move. Dean has even threatened to give candidates zero delegates from the state if they campaign there.

Key question: Will candidates honor the national edicts against Florida, or will they go there anyway, or campaign through surrogates in some effort to capture a popular vote win there?
http://electioncentral.tpmcafe.com/blog/electioncentral/2007/may/03/florida_moves_up_primary_date_could_force_big_confrontation_with_dean

He isn't going to disenfranchise Democrats in the what 4th largest state...even if they decided to hold the primary tomorrow!

I either one takes away delegates...it ain't gonna happen!!

I can tell ya my state chair is ready to throw down with Florida. Every county in MI will have a place reserved for their caucus as early as December of this year.

The way it works is if you break the DNC primary rule you face the threat of losing half your voting delegates at national convention. Larger states that bring large delegations can feel pretty confident that no candidate will submit this demand and risk alienating that state. Florida is one of those states and so is Michigan.

Julie

Both Party organizations have both already agreed to punish any state, including Florida, that does this.

And neither does Mark Brewer, our state chair.

What are they going to do, send home half the delegates of the largest states in the nation? I think not. The national parties will not take that risk IMO.

There are stated consequences to keep everyone in line, then there are the subsequent realities. ;-)

Julie--who thinks it's high time someone besides Iowa & NH get some say in these things

Hate to be a turd in a punch-bowel, but I just can't see her flipping any red states.

If her supporters think ANY Democrat--not just Hillary--will carry Florida in the general election, they're crazy.

BUT...if she makes it to the general election I will support her.

and has inroads to labor with Bonior. But he's hardly blowing Hillary Clinton or Obama away in terms of fundraising. I think he raised $147K in the first quarter of 2007 and Hillary Clinton raised $111K in MI. I forget Obama's total.

On the other side, Romney is raking in the cash. I think he was just shy of $1 million in the first quarter of 2007 from Michigan donors. Lots of big money Oakland County types are contributing heavily to him. He's kinda scary. Lots of people in Oakland County who couldn't bring themselves to vote for Bush would probably feel more comfortable voting for him. With his family's roots here and his financial support from people here he could put MI in play more than any other Republican I think.

He's riding the coattails of his daddy George, the former governor. I'm sure all the DeVos loving scum are behind Romney.

If Gore doesn't run, I plan on supporting Edwards.

Actually explains alot!

It shows how stupid people some people are about voting.

Isn't that a given! :-)

I don't think we'd have anything to worry about. He got his ass thoroughly trounced.

Out of the top three on our side (HRC, Edwards, Obama), I don't really care who wins. They'll all govern about the same, face the same constraints, and draw from the same pool of people to populate the administration. I'm more worried about them having a working majority in Congress. The rest is hot air.

If he was such as "great governor" in MA, why was he only in the office for one term? Sit back and watch the spin begin...