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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 11:06 AM
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Edwards would beat Giuliani by 14 points in Iowa (HRC would lose by 3)
Edwards, Obama Lead Giuliani in Iowa
May 9, 2007

==(Angus Reid Global Monitor) - Democrat John Edwards could carry Iowa in the 2008 United States presidential election, according to a poll by SurveyUSA released by KAAL-TV. 54 per cent of respondents in the Hawkeye State would vote for the former North Carolina senator, while 40 per cent would support former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani.

In other contests, Giuliani trails Illinois senator Barack Obama by five points, and leads New York senator Hillary Rodham Clinton by three points.

In 2004, Republican George W. Bush carried Iowa’s seven electoral votes, with 50 per cent of all cast ballots. No GOP nominee had carried the Hawkeye State since Ronald Reagan in 1984.

Bush is ineligible for a third term in office. The next United States presidential election is scheduled for November 2008.

Polling Data

Possible match-ups - 2008 U.S. presidential election

If there were an election for president of the United States today, and the only two names on the ballot were (the following) who would you vote for?

Rudy Giuliani (R) 48% - 45% Hillary Rodham Clinton (D)
Rudy Giuliani (R) 40% - 54% John Edwards (D)
Rudy Giuliani (R) 44% - 49% Barack Obama (D)==

http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/index.cfm/fuseaction/viewItem/itemID/15671
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 11:07 AM
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1. Wow. (nt)
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 11:09 AM
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2. If Edwards can beat Giuliani this badly in a swing state he will flip some red states such as VA
If we...
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 11:18 AM
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8. Edwards can win Southern states. The others can't even make those states competitive.
Edited on Wed May-09-07 11:20 AM by w4rma
Even if Edwards just makes a few Southern states competitive, we win because Republicans are forced to spend resources there and it increases our chances for winning every race down ticket.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 12:34 PM
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16. Too bad Democrats don't want him as their nominee. (nt)
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 01:44 PM
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21. You do know that you speak only for yourself,right?
This Dem can handle Edwards being our nominee.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 02:07 PM
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23. I was referring to polling where Edwards is not the choice of Democrats
Edwards is in 3rd place for national primary polling and only wins a single state (IA) in state by state primary voting.

I would be fine with him as the nominee but he is not my first choice.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 02:12 PM
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25. Fair enough...he's not my first pick either,but I would vote for him.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 11:09 AM
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3. But I thought only Rasmussen was accurate?
Surprised to see you quote a non-Rasmussen poll...
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 11:11 AM
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4. Where did I say anything about Rasmussen's accuracy?
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 11:12 AM
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5. Well everytime someone comes up with a pro-Hillary poll...
You inevitable seem to start your reply post with "But Rasmussen..." and then go on to tell us how Rasmussen is the most accurate poll...makes it sound like you distrusted other polling organizations...

If that is not the case I am glad to hear it
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 11:16 AM
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7. Rasmussen has been the most accurate for national polling when compared to the election results.
It doesn't mean that all the other polling organizations aren't trustworthy.
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 01:25 PM
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20. You are confusing me with others
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 11:15 AM
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6. Ras has Edwards winning by larger margins than Hillary
Edwards beats Rudy by 6%, McCain by 9%, Romney by 26%.
Hillary ties Rudy, beats McCain by 4%, Romney by 9%.

Regardless, it think it is best to look at the general trend of all polls, there are always going to be outliers. The general trend is that Hillary is the strongest of the 3 in the primary, weakest of the 3 in the general election.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 11:18 AM
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9. Yes I would agree with that...
But you would also acknowledge that Hillary has been showing increasing strength since the debate, both in the Democratic race and against Republican canddiates?
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 11:26 AM
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10. Yup.
Though I would add that there was a time when McCain and Dame Rudy beat everyone in all the polls. That seems to have changed.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 02:08 PM
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24. Skipos, you may want to check the dates on the Edwards numbers
Edited on Wed May-09-07 02:10 PM by rinsd
Most of them are at least a month old.

I started a thread with the most recent polls here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3257966
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 11:38 AM
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11. Edwards! Edwards! Edwards!
Unless, Richardson can pull a rabbit from his hat in Iowa or Nevada, I think Edwards will be my candidate.
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 11:48 AM
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12. That would make Edwards a strong candidate for President
Edited on Wed May-09-07 11:49 AM by smoogatz
of Iowa.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 11:56 AM
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13. I think polls should be illegal.
No, I haven't thought it through. I am probably wrong AGAIN.

It's just that, I read this post and said to myself, if it's true, why have an election? Just poll Edwards into the white house.

It seems to me that polls are another means of manipulating the voters.

I'd like a completely level playing field, and voters who are making up their own minds by communicating with each other. Not relying on what Fox or CNN or any other POLL says.

It's a bastardized form of information.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 12:58 PM
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18. Pollsters do not even have to make their data base public - how the heck
Edited on Wed May-09-07 01:00 PM by truedelphi
Do we know if any given poll is or isn't what they say it is??

And often the polling results are presented by the media as though they need no analysis, when analysis is key to understanding a polling situation.

For instance, a candidate like Sen Clinton - the Gallup pollsters will ask the public if they would vote for her over one of three or four other candidates in the primaries.

Then the announce that Hillary is the strongest candidate...
But that statement only has validity if you DON't Examine that the other three candidates (Edwards, Obama, and Gore) were not splitting the vote - if any of those guys were to team up with any of the other three, Hilalry would fall to second place IMMEDIATELY.
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 12:22 PM
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14. What is the source of Edwards' strength in Iowa in particular? nt
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 01:00 PM
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19. He's banking everything on it. He needs to win IA to be competitive going into SC (nt)
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IA_Seth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 01:46 PM
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22. Because he has been running here for what now, 4 years? n/t
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 12:31 PM
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15. It needs to be 20+ Points to make it more difficult for the Neocons to steal it..
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-09-07 12:57 PM
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17. Edwards can and will win.
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