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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 03:22 PM
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Pope against Liberation Theology
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070513/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/pope_brazil




Benedict said the church was not a political ideology or a social system, an apparent reference to his vehement opposition to the liberation theology movement in Latin America that he moved to crush while he was a cardinal working for his predecessor, Pope John Paul II.

Liberation theology, which is based on a Marxist analysis of society, holds that criticizing the oppression of the poor and marginalized should be central to Christian theology, and that the Christian faith should be reinterpreted specifically to deliver oppressed people from injustice.

But Benedict insisted that the church shares the concerns of all people, "especially those who are poor or afflicted." That is a key issue in Brazil, where the divide between rich and poor is among the worst in the world.

Speaking in Portuguese, Spanish, English and French, Benedict got cheers from the faithful clogging a vast plaza outside the basilica — home to Brazil's patron saint, a black Virgin Mary.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 03:27 PM
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 03:39 PM
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3. Diebold sold The Vatican their chimney that makes the white smoke. n/t
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 03:35 PM
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2. And at nightfall, he flew from his balcony to feast upon the blood of sleeping virgins.
Edited on Sun May-13-07 03:36 PM by IanDB1


Come on!

Doesn't Pope Ratso look EXACTLY like a damn vampire?

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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 04:33 PM
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6. well, he doesn't exactly have a benevolent look...
I'll give you that...

I detested so many of John Paul II's policies and stances--especially the continued misogynistic doctrines, but damn if he doesn't look really good in comparison.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 04:42 PM
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7. Poop john Paul at least LOOKED friendly most of the time
Edited on Sun May-13-07 04:43 PM by IanDB1
But Pope Ratso just looks like Evil Incarnate.


Quick, Robin! To The Pope Cave!


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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 03:44 PM
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4. If only the irony didn't have such tragic consequences
(Pope) Benedict said the church was not a political ideology or a social system. Latter in his speech, the Holy Father reiterated his command that Catholics who hold legislative or government policy positions must, at the peril of their immortal souls, legislate and enforce Catholic doctrines regarding abortion, birth control and same-sex marriage.

:eyes:
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BoneDaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 03:49 PM
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5. Hehe
Great point!
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 04:45 PM
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8. Ratzenberg is the main reason Leonardo Boff is no longer a Catholic priest.
This past week there was a story about Ratzenberg's trip to South America in the paper. He's trying to rescue the church from the pentescostals (like Pat Robertson) who are growing while the Catholic church is shrinking.

Well, Jesus Christ, what did he think was going to happen to the church in Latin America when he was doing everything he could to silence people like Boff who were trying to get the church to reflect the interests of the millions of poor rather than the oligarchs and the despots?

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Ninja Jordan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 12:04 PM
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17. Ratzinger
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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 11:56 PM
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9. Marxism and capitalism? P'shaw, they're for SUCKERS.
Trust instead in the grouchy noodlings of a sexless old goat who alone can tell you when it's permissible to mate!
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 12:21 AM
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11. The Pope is against sexual pleasure even within the confines of marriage
His predecessor was quoted as saying that married couples should not lust after one another, instead they should focus on the baby they will bring to life by copulating.

This entire religion is in dire need of psychological intervention!
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 12:18 AM
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10. The Church loves the poor, to remain poor!
The bulk of the money raised by Mother Teresa went to expand her religious order, and not for those under her care.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 12:33 AM
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12. I'm against religious intervention in political processes
Latin America has suffered the consequences of the Catholic Church doing that.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 01:43 AM
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13. Why do DUers work so hard at trying to drive Catholics away from the

Democratic Party?

A lot of Catholics who had been voting GOP swung back to the Dems in 2006 and the Dems need us in 2008, but all the people who've posted in this thread want to do is shit on Catholics. Maybe you like losing elections. . .

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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 04:34 AM
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14. You are quite wrong.. I criticized the current Pope, not Catholicism....
Edited on Mon May-14-07 05:01 AM by hlthe2b
Church policies, not Catholics.... Given my own long term ties to this religion, I can tell you that you are making far too many assumptions.

The fact is that Ratzinger WAS a member of the Nazi youth... My pointing this out was not an attack on Catholicism, but a point of FACT. http://www.archelaos.com/popes/details.aspx?id=304 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler_Youth


Perhaps he never embraced any of the ideology, given his young age, but one can only assume it would have some impact on his views towards Marxism, certainly. Given that in his own autobiography, he never downplayed his belonging to the Nazi Youth, nor suggested being "forced" to join, his implying that now, rings a bit hollow. FUrther, given that more Catholics are to be found in Latin America--who have never been represented in choice of Pope--Ratzinger's choice as Pope WAS and IS controversial. I disagreed with many of John Paul II's positions, but never doubted that he had compassion and concern for the poor of South and Central America. With Ratzinger, I do not have the same confidence.

It is this reluctance to examine the problems in the Catholic Church, that drove ME away.
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kiki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 06:58 AM
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15. Yeah, that's the ticket.
Edited on Mon May-14-07 06:59 AM by kiki
So if the the Pope comes out and says "String up the Jesus-killlin' Jews! Castrate the homosexuals! Let's turn Western Europe into a Catholic theocracy!", everyone keep quiet. Remember, we've got an election to win.
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Ninja Jordan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 12:03 PM
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16. Right, because those statements are analogous to what Benedict is saying.
:sarcasm:
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 03:16 PM
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19. Brazil's Indians offended by Pope comments
Edited on Mon May-14-07 03:20 PM by hlthe2b
BRASILIA (Reuters) - Outraged Indian leaders in Brazil said on Monday they were offended by Pope Benedict's "arrogant and disrespectful" comments that the Roman Catholic Church had purified them and a revival of their religions would be a backward step.

In a speech to Latin American and Caribbean bishops at the end of a visit to Brazil, the Pope said the Church had not imposed itself on the indigenous peoples of the Americas.

They had welcomed the arrival of European priests at the time of the conquest as they were "silently longing" for Christianity, he said.

...

Even the Catholic Church's own Indian advocacy group in Brazil, known as Cimi, distanced itself from the Pope. "The Pope doesn't understand the reality of the Indians here, his statement was wrong and indefensible," Cimi advisor Father Paulo Suess told Reuters. "I too was upset."

Definitely NO John Paul II :eyes: Pope John Paul spoke in 1992 of mistakes in the evangelization of native peoples of the Americas.

Pope Benedict not only upset many Indians but also Catholic priests who have joined their struggle, said Sandro Tuxa, who heads the movement of northeastern tribes.

"We repudiate the Pope's comments," Tuxa said. "To say the cultural decimation of our people represents a purification is offensive, and frankly, frightening.

http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSN1428799220070514?feedType=RSS&rpc=22
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-14-07 01:39 PM
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18. Well, it is a non-biblical approach actually.
The bible tells slaves to endure their lot happily and all will be rewarded in heaven. I believe it was the he-man, woman-hater Paul who contributed little nugget of "wisdom".

Just throwin' that out there.

Julie
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