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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 11:15 AM
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Hillary Clinton Backer's Firm Alleged to Aid Scammers in Bilking Gullible Seniors
Another reason why we desperately need public financing of federal campaigns!
Clinton Backer's Firm Alleged to Aid Scammers
By JOSH GERSTEIN

Staff Reporter of the Sun
May 22, 2007

A Nebraska entrepreneur facing allegations that his firm does business with scam artists targeting the elderly, Vinod Gupta, has directed more than $3 million in the past decade to political campaigns and projects connected with President Clinton and Senator Clinton.

Mr. Gupta's company, infoUSA, Inc., repeatedly rented marketing databases to unscrupulous individuals who used the lists to engage in fraud, according to the New York Times. A front-page article in the Sunday paper said the company promoted a list called "Suffering Seniors," which featured ailing older people, and other lists of "Elderly Opportunity Seekers" and those deemed to be "gullible."

Mr. Gupta, the chairman and CEO of infoUSA, has been one of the most generous benefactors to causes affiliated with the Clintons. He donated $2 million to a national millennium celebration organized by Mrs. Clinton's White House office, according to a book published by her chief fund-raiser, Terence McAuliffe. Mr. Gupta also gave $1 million for the construction of Mr. Clinton's presidential library in Little Rock, Ark.

In 2000, Mr. Gupta gave $100,000 to support Mrs. Clinton's Senate bid and hosted a fund-raiser in his home that raised $100,000 more. "She was so good," he said of Mrs. Clinton's talk there, according to the Omaha World-Herald. "I think she is smarter than the president."

more...http://www.nysun.com/article/54982
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Lost4words Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 11:17 AM
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1. I am so surprised! NOT!!
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 11:17 AM
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2. Mr. Gupta needs to be stripped of all his assets, just like the victims of
his incredible greed were.
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theoldman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 11:20 AM
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3. Throw his ass in jail.
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 11:23 AM
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4. Eecckkk......
They are the worst! They continually call (I'm an Office Mgr for a small business) and request info for their "free listing"....I have run into similar situations with companies like Ameri-Source and know never say "yes" or give information. They have targeting thousands of small business' and the elderly - reporting them only keeps them at bay for a while, then they are back under another name. Should they have known better? I think so.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 11:26 AM
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5. HA! Sounds like a RW 3rd Party Hit Job..
I read all the articles..easy pickins for the RWingers to slip in unscrupulous telemarketers..

Apparently, Mr. Gupta isn't even personally involved...and the charges are ALLEGED not PROVEN!

I Hope Obama survives the GOP 'dirty tricks' coming his way!
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 11:31 AM
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6. Perhaps you ought to read entire article. Clintons' association with and benefit from Gupta reeks!
Edited on Tue May-22-07 11:35 AM by flpoljunkie
Of course, Mr. Gupta is not "personally involved" in handing over the lists. Are they ever?

An assistant attorney general in Iowa who investigated how the firm markets and distributes its data files disputed the company's assertion that it cooperated completely with the probe. "It's because they weren't cooperative that we had to go to court," the attorney, Steve St. Clair, told The New York Sun yesterday. He labeled the firm's claim that the investigation is closed "self-serving and speculative on their part." He also said the probe never cleared the company. "There was no point at which we communicated satisfaction that they'd done nothing wrong," he said.

Mr. St. Clair said he never saw evidence that infoUSA circulated a list of "Suffering Seniors" but said it did offer lists such as "cash-hungry individuals." "When you look at some of the phrases they did use, it's hard to distinguish them," he said.

An attorney at the University of California who studies privacy and marketing issues, Chris Hoofnagle, said an infoUSA subsidiary has promoted lists of consumers described as "mature" and "impulsive." "‘Mature' and ‘impulsive' are keywords for ‘Come rob me, come swindle me," Mr. Hoofnagle said. He said other lists "reinforce racial and class-based stereotypes."

http://www.nysun.com/article/54982?page_no=2

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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 11:35 AM
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7. used to be, you'd catch hell on DU for posting something from the NY Sun.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 11:36 AM
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8. Can you point out anything that is untrue in this article?
Edited on Tue May-22-07 11:39 AM by flpoljunkie
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 11:44 AM
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9. How about the New York Sun?
That in itself says all I need to know.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 11:44 AM
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10. Yes, your interpretation of what you're reading is erroneous..
Mr. Gupto himself is the owner of the company. A hired hand, hired by management, is the culprit. Then, even if true, there would be the intent factor. Did Mr. Gupto specifically state call the gullible, weak etc.. Thats why I'm saying this is a 3rd Party RW smear..it's the way they get their subversive smears done.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 12:09 PM
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11. No question Gupta's company, InfoUSA, sold the lists to others who did the calling.
Edited on Tue May-22-07 12:11 PM by flpoljunkie
Again, I suggest you read the entire article-- and don't neglect the closing paragraphs.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 12:18 PM
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13. I read it all, including all the links which end up bringing you back
to where you started...and did so before my second post.

Another clue it's a RW smear. They always bury them so they can control the timing of the attacks..bingo-
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 12:21 PM
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15. Again, please point one thing in the article which is untrue.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 12:10 PM
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12. Duplicate post.
Edited on Tue May-22-07 12:10 PM by flpoljunkie
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 12:21 PM
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14. that was never the issue. The fact it was the NY Sun was enough.
Edited on Tue May-22-07 12:23 PM by wyldwolf
But the author is imposing guilt by association. We can play that game all day.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 12:22 PM
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16. Again, point out one thing in the article that is untrue.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 12:27 PM
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17. the author is imposing guilt by association. We can play that game all day.
Who are you supporting in the primaries?
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 12:31 PM
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19. And what "guilt" would that be, wylfwolf?
I am not backing Hillary, in answer to your question.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 12:34 PM
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21. Obvious you don't understand the phrase, and you ducked my question.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 12:48 PM
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25. Oh, I understood.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 12:52 PM
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27. then you chose to give a bizzaro-world answer.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 12:33 PM
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20. Yeah Hillary Clinton backer should have read Democratic Party backer
This guy has given millions to the party and candidates not named Clinton.

But the Sun knows knee jerk Hillary haters would eat it up.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 12:36 PM
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22. Its a hit piece on a major Dem party fundraiser
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 12:31 PM
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18. Do you have any idea how much money this guy has given/raised for the party and candidates?
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 12:38 PM
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23. John Kerry in both the primaries and the general...Al Gore...Ted Kennedy... Tom Harkin
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 12:52 PM
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29. Millions to the DNC & DSSC....
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 12:39 PM
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24. No, and I would recommend any and all Dems give back any monies received from Gupta.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 12:52 PM
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28. We're talking millions to the party.
But what we really should discuss is why you take the word of a douchebag who writes things like "Could Edwards be our first woman President?"

These were unproven allegations written to be connected to Hillary Clinton (even though this guy is not currently involved with her camapign) by a rw rag and you fucking ran with it
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 01:11 PM
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30. Again, can you point out one thing in the article that is untrue.
And, if Democrats feel they must rely on contributors like Gupta and his ilk, it is way past time we demand public financing of federal campaigns.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 01:19 PM
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31. The records I find state Gupta only gave Clinton $4,250 for her first Senate campaign
The article states he gave $100,000. The article and the FEC differ.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 01:30 PM
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32. FEC lists individual contributions for candidates, not bundled contributions for candidates.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 01:35 PM
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33. that's right. And I counted then added up all his contributions in 2000
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 01:40 PM
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34. Its time for DUers to stop relying on rw hit pieces because they dislike the target
Let's see 3 year old allegations about a Democratic fundraiser who in the past has raised money for Clinton from the NY Sun.


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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 06:45 PM
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45. more Flop-Junk
:puke:
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 04:00 PM
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38. Noticed that, too
Sometimes it appears that DUers hate Clinton as much as the freeps and will bend backward to find damning stories about her. All in all, she is expected to be an angel satisfying everyone wish list. Maybe.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 12:49 PM
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26. Other great articles about Democrats from the NY Sun by Josh Gerstein
Richardson Faces Some Suspicion at Google http://www.nysun.com/article/54467

Could Edwards Become First Woman President? http://www.nysun.com/article/50057

Why don't you just post Rush Limbaugh while you're at it?
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 02:08 PM
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35. flpoljunkie, I did some research on Gupta and couldn't find anything
Edited on Tue May-22-07 02:09 PM by KoKo01
about this except from Free Repug and RW Sites who have been after him since Clintons were in White House. Old articles about how he slept in "Lincoln Bedroom" and others about how close he is with the Clintons. He's on the Commission that Clinton set up for Tsunami relief and is a big donor to the party.

Sadly, I think this really is another RW Hit Job to go after big Dem Donors when they never go after the Big Repug Donors. I'm not a Hillary fan, btw. But, I think there's better stuff to be disapointed in the Clinton's over. Like their Free Trade DLC policies rather than focusing on Gupta and what Free Repug and the RW bloggers want us too. Just saying...

:shrug:
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 03:54 PM
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36. Original story was in Sunday's NYTimes. Followup story today. InfoUSA to review its policies
May 22, 2007
2 Firms Tied to Phone Lists Will Review Their Policies

By CHARLES DUHIGG
Two companies accused by state and federal regulators of doing business with suspected telemarketing thieves released statements yesterday pledging to examine and change their business practices.

The two companies — InfoUSA, one of the nation’s largest compilers of consumer information, and Wachovia Bank, the nation’s fourth largest bank — were identified in an article in The New York Times on Sunday as having made it possible for thieves to defraud millions of elderly and other Americans.

InfoUSA was singled out yesterday by Senator Barack Obama, the Illinois Democrat who is running for president, as deserving scrutiny. In 2005, state regulators in Iowa collected documents indicating that had sold lists containing the names of older Americans to telemarketing criminals. Senator Obama and Representative Edward J. Markey, Democrat of Massachusetts, have asked the Federal Trade Commission to step up efforts to protect elderly consumers.

“Senator Obama has serious concerns that InfoUSA perpetuated a fraud on seniors, and he has contacted the appropriate executive agency to ensure that consumer protection laws are being vigorously enforced and seniors are protected from telemarketing schemes,” said Ben LaBolt, a spokesman for the senator.

InfoUSA’s chief executive, Vinod Gupta, disputed that characterization of his company in an interview yesterday.

“We have not perpetuated any illegal activity,” Mr. Gupta said. “We have over four million customers. If someone buys a gun and shoots someone, is the gun dealer responsible? No. We ask that our customers follow the law.”

more...

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/22/business/22tele.html

Original article in Sunday's New York Times...

May 20, 2007
Bilking the Elderly, With a Corporate Assist

By CHARLES DUHIGG

The thieves operated from small offices in Toronto and hangar-size rooms in India. Every night, working from lists of names and phone numbers, they called World War II veterans, retired schoolteachers and thousands of other elderly Americans and posed as government and insurance workers updating their files.

Then, the criminals emptied their victims’ bank accounts.

Richard Guthrie, a 92-year-old Army veteran, was one of those victims. He ended up on scam artists’ lists because his name, like millions of others, was sold by large companies to telemarketing criminals, who then turned to major banks to steal his life’s savings.

Mr. Guthrie, who lives in Iowa, had entered a few sweepstakes that caused his name to appear in a database advertised by infoUSA, one of the largest compilers of consumer information. InfoUSA sold his name, and data on scores of other elderly Americans, to known lawbreakers, regulators say.

InfoUSA advertised lists of “Elderly Opportunity Seekers,” 3.3 million older people “looking for ways to make money,” and “Suffering Seniors,” 4.7 million people with cancer or Alzheimer’s disease. “Oldies but Goodies” contained 500,000 gamblers over 55 years old, for 8.5 cents apiece. One list said: “These people are gullible. They want to believe that their luck can change.”

more...

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/20/business/20tele.html
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 04:00 PM
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37. Way to backtrack since your original story was a Hillary slime piece.
So did Obama return his Gupta contribution yet?
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 04:12 PM
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39. The original story came from the New York Times about Gupta's despicable business practices.
And, as I previously noted, any and all Dems should give back any monies received from Gupta. We need to clean up our corrupt system of financing campaigns and demand public financing.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 04:20 PM
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40. We are cleaning up the corruption...Starting with your false accusations of people who are innocent
of the RW slime you fling here. You shot off a toe yesterday with another false story aimed at Hillary. Today, the same ole story with you, another toe- gone. (Keeping track of toes gone (2)) Before you'll have to walk on you're knees.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 04:33 PM
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41. Evidently these articles have hit a nerve with the DU Hillaries. Suggest you calm down.
Edited on Tue May-22-07 04:35 PM by flpoljunkie
And perhaps read my post of Ari Bermans" response to his article, "Hillary, Inc."
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 04:52 PM
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43. No, it hasn't hit a nerve..
but one thinks intelligent people, if nothing else, learn by trial and error...but with you...not so much!

So for now- could you please check your sources before you lose another toe?
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 05:12 PM
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44. Good try, Tellurian. I retract nothing. Perhaps you ought to read the NYT articles on Gupta.
Edited on Tue May-22-07 05:16 PM by flpoljunkie
I also support public financing of campaigns. This is the way to clean up corruption--in both parties.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-22-07 04:40 PM
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42. YES! Would your outrage include false allegations about the candidates' spouses?
Like supposing Michelle Obama was improperly slimed with phony charges by a known rw Obama-hater...would you also object to that? I know i would. Curious...
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