I think Obama's and Clinton's NO vote

has pissed off quite a few supporters of a certain candidate that were expecting them to vote YES to keep repeating the talking point that only him is the true anti-war candidate...

Now that Obama and Clinton gave their NO vote, those individuals are trying to discredit them... because their talking point is gone...

Well, too bad. :)

I suppose it was pretty predictable though!

Katz, I don't always agree with you, but this is one of the time when you're right on the money!

than I had ever been before. I think Obama and Clinton supporters are closer than what we might have thought...

Good things might happen in the future...

It's a good day. But not *that* good.

:)

See miracles do happen. :hi:

Even though I'm glad I'm still an Obama supporter...they voted NO in an obvious bill that would be passed. There's still a lot both could prove...but I'm not mad.

as for me, I AM coming to "gripes" with it.

Do you think they think they are not obvious?

;)

lame. grasping. at. straws.

I don't know about all the games going on here, but I'm not choosing a candidate during the primaries ~ just think Obama and Clinton played it safe by waiting to see which way the wind was blowing. They didn't show the leadership on this that Dodd did, imo.

and that is not right

People are just noticing how things play out and commenting on it. I'd be happy with either Clinton or Obama in the WH ~ that doesn't mean they aren't shrewd and calculating politicians.

That does trouble me some

For me it means they didn't risk anything, so I'd put a check in the neutral column for them on this one, give Dodd a check in the positive column, and Biden a check in the negative column. (If I had such a chart! haha)

I will vote for whoever the Democratic candidate is in 2008, though I am not a Hillary or Clinton supporter for that matter

However, whether they did it because their constituents urged them to, or their polls indicated they would have less negative hits by doing so, is immaterial to me. The fact that they did the right thing is what counts.

I am pretty sure they will also get hit by the opposition, who will say they are not supporting the troops, but in 2 years when nothing has changed in Iraq, people will realize that was the right decision, and the real culprit is bush.

Good for them, and Chris Dodd, Edwards, and the others, minus Biden

There is another whole party out there that lives to sow discord over here. Right now, to me, this is a litmus test of true DUers.

If they REALLY were against it, why not stand up
and vote "no" right off the bat? Because they AREN'T,
that's why.

Because they were WAITING to make sure it passed;
waiting in case someone cast a few "no" votes too many...

If the vote had been CLOSE, they would have voted "yes".
The grownups here all know that- this crap isn't anything
new, and it doesn't fool anyone.

But some will run around yelling about it exitedly as though
this actually MEANS something. I think that's kinda sad, that
even now, after all we've seen and all we know, some people
are STILL so deliberately, willfully naive.

how they were going to vote? The last I heard about midafternoon neither one had made a statement.

I haven't picked a candidate (though I admit, I knew it wouldn't be Clinton), but Obama's off my list now as well.

They aren't "leaders", they're POLITICIANS. Typical ones.

But his refusal to commit did not make me happy at all. Its the first time I have been disappointed in him so far. If either one of them were truly passionate about this issue they would have announced what they would do unequivocally before sticking their fingers in the air.

Today its easy to cast a no vote as the backlash from a yes vote is pretty apparent.

I am glad they both voted no but color me less than impressed with the timing of it.

strange how that happens. :)

It sure will make my Obama tabling a lot easier this weekend.

:rofl:

Hundreds more American soldiers are going to die because of the vote cast today. Thousands more Iraqi civilians are going to die because of the vote cast today. You may be feeling good about Obama's vote and Clinton's vote, but overall this is a terrible day.

Yes, I support Edwards in the primary. I'd prefer that we ended the occupation of Iraq more than I care about Edwads winning the nomination. I think it'd be good if all democrats focused a little more energy on ending this fiasco in Iraq than beating the crap out of each other's candidates. I know this goes both ways and I include some of the idiotic Edwards supporters in this criticism too.

Gloating at this time makes is sick. Try to remember the big picture.

...all while he knew the intelligence was bullshit while on the Senate Intelligence Committee at the time.

Peace candidate, my derriere...

On edit:

You are correct that the Occupation still continues and that only more tragedy awaits the World with every moment it continues. If certain candidates continue to sideline catcall to those who are in the trenches trying to actually end the Occupation perhaps realize that it's easy being a Monday Morning Quarterback when they were actually on the team that help start this mess.

1) I wanted this bill to be voted down, but it didn't happen because of many irresponsible senators, among which Obama and Clinton are not, AND THEY DESERVE CREDIT INSTEAD OF THE STONES SOME PEOPLE ARE THROWING AT THEM OVER HERE.

2) Hopefully the Iraq fiasco will be stopped soon, we all want that! That's exactly the point those who are talking crap about Obama's and Clinton's vote tonight are missing.

3) I don't think I'm gloating; I'm responding to the childish, divisive attacks of some people who happen to be supporting your candidate.

You seem to be a good person, and it's not you I'm referring to.

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whose interest is in ending the war by whatever means necessary.

if you think this is about a candidate, you are wrong. it is about a policy, and truthfulness, and saving lives.

I support Edwards all the way, AND I am extremely glad that the other two leading candidates voted the way they did. their votes are good for the party, the nation, and the world.

This thread is not a high point of political discussion. It's high school.

I'm proud of Obama and Hillary. And Edwards.

I'm a Democrat.

Before vote, people seemed to be saying we wanted the Senators, including Hillary and Obams, to vote no. All sorts of "I am going to get off the bus" stuff going on.

So they vote no.

And now we still get some folks upset. Which raises a question: what part of NO don't you understand?

Presumably both Hillary and Obama would face some flak in the general election about this vote, claims they don't "support the troops". Yet some of us would still scorn this vote although it is the vote they advocated. So what is it you really want?

http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/5/24/03131/8120

Do some reading around various blogs.

waiting until the bill was sure to pass before voting.

As if everyone in the Senate didn't know it would pass before the roll call began.

safely pass without their help.

My only prediction was that they would vote exactly the same way. And they did.

Hillary and Obama are frauds. (See post #18)