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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 02:07 AM
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WP,pg1: Books Paint Critical Portraits of Clinton: 2 Biographies Detail Marital Strife, Ambition
Books Paint Critical Portraits of Clinton
2 Biographies Detail Marital Strife and Driving Ambition
By Peter Baker and John Solomon
Washington Post Staff Writers
Friday, May 25, 2007; Page A01


Hillary Clinton's campaign had braced itself for the books, which one aide called "cash for rehash." (By J. Scott Applewhite-Associated Press)

Two new books on Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York offer fresh and often critical portraits of the Democratic presidential candidate that depict a tortured relationship with her husband and her past and challenge the image she has presented on the campaign trail.

The Hillary Clinton who emerges from the pages of the books comes across as a complicated, sometimes compromised figure who tolerated Bill Clinton's brazen infidelity, pursued her policy and political goals with methodical drive, and occasionally skirted along the edge of the truth along the way. The books portray her as alternately brilliant and controlling, ambitious and victimized.

The Clinton campaign has nervously awaited publication of the books for fear they would include a bombshell revelation or, at the very least, revive memories of less-savory moments in the couple's rise to power. The books, both by longtime journalists and both obtained by The Washington Post yesterday, include a number of assertions and anecdotes that could confront her campaign with unwelcome questions.

"A Woman in Charge: The Life of Hillary Rodham Clinton," by Carl Bernstein, reports that Clinton as first lady was terrified she would be prosecuted, took over her own legal and political defense, and decided not to be forthcoming with investigators because she was convinced she was unfairly targeted. While in Arkansas, according to Bernstein, she personally interviewed one woman alleged to have had an affair with her husband, contemplated divorce and thought about running for governor out of anger at her husband's indiscretions.

"Her Way: The Hopes and Ambitions of Hillary Rodham Clinton," by Jeff Gerth and Don Van Natta Jr., reports that during her husband's 1992 campaign, a team she oversaw hired a private investigator to undermine Gennifer Flowers "until she is destroyed." Flowers had said publicly that she had an affair with Bill Clinton while he was governor of Arkansas....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/24/AR2007052402479.html?nav=hcmodule
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 02:15 AM
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1. Bernstein's book will be more credible due to his reputation
Edited on Fri May-25-07 03:02 AM by IndianaGreen
What will sink Hillary is if her still philandering husband gets his picture splattered in the tabloids with another woman, and the story turns out to have legs. Hillary will have to choose to dump the bum or continue to enable the bum. If she dumps the bum, she might lose an important source of political goodwill, but she might just win the whole enchilada out of sympathy.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 02:59 AM
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3. I feel sorry for you...
Edited on Fri May-25-07 02:59 AM by SaveElmer
You are so sadly and pathetically consumed with your obsession of Hillary Clinton that you will say just about anything to feed it...including make judgments about their marriage and medical decisions...

When Hillary wins I don't know what you will do...hopefully not follow the example of Edmund Ruffin...

Pity is all I feel for you!

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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 03:47 PM
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12. K&R Bill is not behaving!
Geffen said as much!
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ElizabethDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 03:52 PM
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13. Neither of the books was unable to unearth anything about Bill misbehaving
Edited on Fri May-25-07 03:55 PM by ElizabethDC
Says the Hotline Blog:

"But the only thing that really matters, politically, are new relevations about Clinton's marriage -- or revelations of recent misconduct by Pres. Clinton. There aren't any."

Link: http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/05/those_two_new_h.html
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 04:07 PM
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14. Marilyn Jo Jenkins
Remember that Geffen spoke of Bill Clinton's reckless behaviour in the present tense (Vegas, LA?).

The women who also figured in Bill Clinton's life in Arkansas make a return appearance in the book, most notably Marilyn Jo Jenkins, a power company executive he fell in love with and almost left his wife over, according to Bernstein. Jenkins has been linked to Clinton before -- she was spirited into the governor's mansion at 5:15 a.m. for a final, furtive meeting with him the day he left for Washington to assume the presidency -- but Bernstein's account makes clear her pivotal role.

Bill Clinton wanted to divorce his wife to be with Jenkins in 1989, Bernstein reports, but Hillary Clinton refused. "There are worse things than infidelity," she told Betsey Wright, the governor's chief of staff. The crisis frayed Wright's relationship with Bill Clinton too, and she told Bernstein that she arranged for the two of them, Wright and Clinton, to see a therapist together.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/24/AR2007052402479_2.html?nav=hcmodule
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ElizabethDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 04:15 PM
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15. This isn't new information in any way
I've read about it in at least a couple of books. It's something that happened in the '80s.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 04:18 PM
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16. Is Bill behaving?
Will you risk the entire 2008 campaign, and the White House, on the premise that Bill has behaved since the Monica scandal?

I am not willing to take that chance!
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ElizabethDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 04:21 PM
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17. I have no idea if he is or not
but I do know that there hasn't been any concrete evidence of anything, just whisperings, mostly originating from the Enquirer.

What does it matter anyway? I mean, I hope for Hillary's sake that he hasn't been doing anything, but the campaign doesn't rest on it.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 04:25 PM
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18. Will you risk the White House on the assumption Bill has been a good boy?
The rumors of infidelity are coming from liberal circles.

You better put a chastity belt on that boy until after the elections!
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ElizabethDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 04:32 PM
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19. Bill Clinton is not a candidate in this election
I don't think any new infidelities would have that much of an impact, either. Everyone on the planet knows the he's a philanderer.

As for these "liberal circles" to which you refer, is it coming from anyone other than Geffen, who has personal beef with the Clintons? Geffen hasn't gotten along with the Clintons since 2000, from what I understand, so how would he have any special information about Bill's activities?
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Spinzonner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 02:46 AM
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2. I'm shocked


Imagine, politicians seeking the highest office in the country being driven and ambitious.

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terisan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 04:48 AM
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6. She is not only ambitious but is also Articulate !!!!!
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dsa Donating Member (298 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 03:37 AM
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4. "Hillary Clinton...occasionally skirted along the edge of the truth along the way"
duh! isn't that a requirement to be a politician?!
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terisan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 04:44 AM
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5. Is there is no Christian Right Gossip-Maven market for the sex/marital life of their candidates.

Is ambition not a characteristic of all presidential candidates........or are men in public life not ambitious?
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 11:56 AM
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7. Daylight kick. Quite a fuss being made about these books. nt
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ElizabethDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 12:01 PM
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8. I liked the Hotline's response to this best
they said it better than I could:

Those Two New Hillary Clinton Books
Based on this Washington Post article, On Call agrees with the Politico's Ben Smith: where's the there there?

Revelations are said to be:

Ooh -- HRC is ambitious. And ruthless. Ambitious people can be ruthless.

Ooh -- HRC fought to keep her family's private life private.

Ooh -- Bill Clinton had extramarital affairs.

Ooh -- the Clintons were worried about Whitewater.

Don't get us wrong: the books themselves we will buy and plow through, and given the pedigree of the authors: Carl Bernstein, Don Van Natta, Jeff Gerth -- they are certain to be well-reported and worth the money.

More: http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/05/those_two_new_h.html
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 12:06 PM
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9. I like that, too -- thanks for posting! nt
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 12:56 PM
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10. "cash for rehash."
Ayup.

I'll have a hard time trusting either book.Possibly some truths in there,but they'll most likely be packaged with enough lies to make the whole shebang dubious.I don't like Hillary in the slightest,but I'm very hesitant to take the word of two guys I wouldn't trust with a kid's lunch money.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 01:12 PM
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11. I don't care one whit about her personal life - I care about whether she's committed to
opening the books on BushInc and their crimes of office, or not.

Why won't ANY of the corporate media yakkers bring up THAT issue most important to this nation's democratic future?
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 04:47 PM
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20. They said worse about about Catherine the Great
She seemed to do okay
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ElizabethDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 04:49 PM
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21. They said worse about Marie Antoinette as well
of course, it didn't turn out so well for her, so maybe that's a bad example.
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 06:58 PM
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24. Of course Marie Antoinette was consort to Louis XVI
While Catherine was Tsarina in her own right
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ElizabethDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 07:00 PM
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25. Indeed, but I brought her up because I recently read a biography of her and
I found many of the accusations thrown at her to be similar to those that have been used against Hillary.

Actually, I mostly just brought it up because it's of course a very bad example and I have a strange sense of humor.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 04:50 PM
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22. "...reports that during her husband's 1992 ::::::::::::yawn:::::::::: campaign,"
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 05:56 PM
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23. Gennifer Flowers blahblahblah "rovin' eyes" blahblahblah "ambitious politician" blahblahblah
Jeezus, they never get tired of this shit, do they? She's not my first choice by a LONG shot, but Goddamn, just GIVE IT A REST.

We. Don't. Care. Anymore.
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Grandrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 07:49 PM
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26. At least the swift boating will be early...
and time to bore anyone with sense. I could care less about the Clinton's personal life, other than one fact, I admire them for sticking it out and raising an amazing daughter.

Where are those McCain, Romney, Guiliani books???????????

Just a little word to the wise: piling on Hillary could cause backlash like it did during the impeachment!:eyes:
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-25-07 10:07 PM
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27. God forbid one a dem dames have ambition... no sexism there...
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