Kerry now holds huge lead over Dean, poll of voters shows

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I have give you big props for the "sheepel" lable. Have not heard that one before.

And "pavalav's dogs"! I just hope they don't shit on my lawn.

The media was a favorite topic of scorn for so long and then everyone just fell in line with the spin. Amazing mass hypnosis taking place.

I'm hoping (and working) for the possibility that Dean can outpace Kerry by the convention.

If not, I'll be happy to take my chances as a Dean supporter at a brokered convention. Let's see what a few months of front-runner status does to Kerry's "electibility".

It's all about spin (unfortunately) and Dean has a great chance to regroup here. The difference is that Dean's worst fundraising is about equal to Kerry's best...and it's because of the sheer number of contributors, not how well he caters to the $2000 donors.

At a brokered convention, I think the delegates will realize that Bush will tear Kerry apart (in terms of his votes on the IWR, NCLB and the Patriot Act) and that Dean has a great broad-based grassroots support network that will seriously diminish if they don't address it.

I'm comfortable...

Seems simple enough to me..

I be rich by now.

In any case, I'm already betting my money (in the form of contributions) and my heart (in the form of campaigning).

Again, we may disagree but that's fine. I think Kerry's frontrunner status right now is going to burn him.

it will burn him. Thing is, Kerry can take the heat.

That's my issue. I really don't think he has the positions (votes) to respond to anything other than "Thanks for your support" from Bush.

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Yes, I'd rather Dean be the frontrunner now, but the Kerry thing is getting interesting. We're getting sex scandals after a couple of weeks...

...seems the worst anybody said about Dean was that he was "too liberal"...which he's obviously not.


From a strategic point of view, I'll be happy to let Kerry ride in the front seat for a while and take the shots. The worst they came up with about Dean was the "liberal" question and the "I Have a Scream" speech. Seems they've already cut Kerry deeper than that.

And you hope things change in the future.

...let's see how he does....

How dare the media show the video of Dean dissing the IA caucus! The nerve! How dare they show him insulting that freeper type who was asking Dean to show some charity toward bush! :wow:

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how many Kerry supporters were shitting themselves in the three months before Iowa....

I wouldn't be so happy about Kerry's support either....most of it is soft....anything that comes along that makes Kerry look bad could dry up that support at the worst possible time....

And as far as Kerry being able to take the heat....he didn't fair so well from mid summer through to new year.....

If it wasn't for the media barrage and the Dean seeking Gephardt, I am sure all the Kerry supporters here would be talking about rallying around Edwards to stop the Dean train into Boston....

It is my fervent prayer that Kerry does well...because if his past is any indication, as soon as the primary is "over" he will revert to form...bland, wishy washy and start spouting DLC talking points to win that all important center....hopefully he won't miss that we are winning the center by being aggressive....

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And that is that Shrub will focus all his attacks on Kerry, and do his best to critically wound him (this could be done with lies and innuendo; I don't trust that crew). If there is a possibility, however remote, that Edwards could catch up with him, then Rove is kept a bit off balance-he must keep some of his dirty tricksters in reserve "just in case".

Another reason not to make this a coronation early is that the general public will start to become less interested. Kerry will have to spend some of his money on ads to stay in the news whereas if he's fighting Dean or Kucinich for delegates, he gets in the news for free. It will be interesting to see if voter turnout in the later primaries is as high as it was for IA and NH.

The third reason is that people like me, who will go to the primary in May, would like to still have a choice. I resent the fact that it always seems to be "wrapped up" before the Arkansas primary.

which links to an article about the subjects you are discussing: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=330714

Your point? :shrug:



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Numerous polls of Democrats and likely voters show him well ahead of any of the other Dems as well as being ahead of the idiot.

Rhode Island, Kerry has an even larger lead:

2/12/2004

Kerry 70%

Edwards 11%

Dean 10%

Other 7%

Undecided 2%

Data Collected
2/11/04

Geography
State of Rhode Island

Sample Population
388 Likely Voters

Margin of Error
4.6%

Client
WLNE-TV Providence

http://www.surveyusa.com/currentelectionpolls.html

In pledged delegates, Dean is now in last place of the major candidates and was behind Clark in these delegates:

But the delegates, that's what matters.

It takes 2,161 delegates to lock down the Democratic nomination for president at the convention in July. If you look at the numbers on Sunday morning, John Kerry has 320, compared to 136 for Howard Dean. If you look closely you'll see that most of Dean's delegates are "super delegates," political officials who operate outside of the primaries and caucuses, who gave their support to Dean back when he was the hottest ticket in town. But super delegates often change their minds. Of the pledged delegates, Dean is dead last among the four major candidates. The American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees has pulled its support of Dean, saying it'll hold out for the general election. But the unions haven't mattered too much so far, and Dean has pushed all of his markers into Wisconsin. He's hoping for a bounce.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/gate/archive/2004/02/13/campaigndiary.DTL

Now the AFL-CIO has set up a meeting for this coming Thursday to officially endorse Kerry:

AFL-CIO President John Sweeney scheduled a meeting of the federation's general board for next Thursday "to officially endorse" Kerry, according to the memo obtained by The Associated Press.


AFL-CIO spokeswoman Lane Windham confirmed that Sweeney will recommend the move. "But we're a democratic organization and it is ultimately up to the general board to decide who they will endorse," said spokeswoman Lane Windham.


The AFL-CIO, with a membership of 13 million is one of the key pillars of the Democratic Party, and an endorsement of Kerry signals the groups desire to unite behind a challenger to begin the campaign against President Bush (news - web sites) this fall.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040214/ap_on_el_pr/democrats&cid=536&ncid=536

The all the polls available fot the March Second Primaries have Kerry with huge leads. This was of course prior to Clark dropping out. We will have to see it this results in even larger polls for Kerry, particularly in Wisconsin where Clark had moved into low double digit pollng numbers in that state.

It's clear as the field is being culled, Dean is not the beneficiary of the votes at play.

No slam meant, just an observation.

It's practically a suburb of Boston, is 90% Catholic, and full of the blue collar workers such as have been backing Kerry since Iowa.

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as much as domestic issues. But kerry's main appeal is to the liberals and those of us who are concerned about keeping social programs, and social programs cost money.

Hmmm, what to do, what to do, such a dilemma.

I'm sorry, I'm not comprehending your point. Could you rephrase?

When Dean was leading in December, the people were empowered and enlightened. When Dean fell behind, the people were sheeple and weak.

Uh yeah. Uh-huh. ;-)