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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 09:44 AM Original message |
The GOP's "Masculine Mystique" -- What IS it, and how do we fight it?? |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 09:46 AM Response to Original message |
1. Barf. And LOL! |
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unpossibles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 09:55 AM Response to Reply #1 |
7. I think that's the point |
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Toots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 07:35 AM Response to Reply #7 |
98. It is called projection |
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Arugula Latte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 05:30 PM Response to Reply #1 |
53. Did you see the latest? Chimp in Crocs with black presidential seal socks: |
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The Velveteen Ocelot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 06:38 PM Response to Reply #1 |
96. Just dripping testosterone, is our George. |
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On the Road (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 09:47 AM Response to Original message |
2. I Think Ridicule is the Only Way |
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SpiralHawk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 09:51 AM Response to Original message |
3. "Oh yeah, I am like all macho man" - Commander AWOL: |
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Capn Sunshine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 05:59 PM Response to Reply #3 |
93. I can play dress up like a manly man |
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Bitwit1234 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 09:51 AM Response to Original message |
4. And the MSM don't help dispell it. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 11:25 AM Response to Reply #4 |
103. It's a BIG LIE that the corpmedia has helped to promote for the last THREE DECADES. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 09:52 AM Response to Original message |
5. A good way to start is to value the typical "feminine labeled traits" with one another. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 09:59 AM Response to Reply #5 |
9. Yes, and ironically, those traits involve strength, courage, etc. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 10:06 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. So true. IMO, we will also know that we have arrived - when we, once again, |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 10:36 AM Response to Reply #11 |
20. Dating yourself? How's that working for you? LOL nt |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 10:44 AM Response to Reply #20 |
23. drum roll, thud! LOL I bet your family considers you "corny" also? |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 07:35 AM Response to Reply #23 |
77. I couldn't resist. :-) nt |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 03:08 PM Response to Reply #9 |
41. They are impatient. They want daddy to work miracles for them. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 03:18 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. That's a great analysis, too. |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 09:52 AM Response to Original message |
6. Here's the picture I have in my mind. |
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Xipe Totec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 09:58 AM Response to Original message |
8. It's just marketing. GOP is the Viagra party |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 10:09 AM Response to Reply #8 |
13. The lauded knuckle-draggers motto: "If you can't f**k it, kill it!" |
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Totally Committed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 06:06 PM Response to Reply #13 |
95. OMG.... |
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MindPilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 10:06 AM Response to Original message |
10. Very well-said!! It explains a lot about Bush-supporting women. |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 11:48 AM Response to Reply #10 |
31. My aunt voted for Bush over Kerry because he, and I quote, |
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rudy23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 10:08 AM Response to Original message |
12. Because it's human nature to abide by a stupid stubborn person, than a wise, open minded one |
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Nite Owl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 10:18 AM Response to Original message |
14. Your points are definitely right but |
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Vickers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 10:24 AM Response to Original message |
15. It's anecdotal, but just about every hardcore Repuke I've encountered |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 02:07 PM Response to Reply #15 |
38. Yep. Ask any rabid "troop supporter" about THEIR military service. |
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Smarmie Doofus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 10:25 AM Response to Original message |
16. Interesting POV. One way out is to wrest the *language* .... |
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ejbr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 10:31 AM Response to Original message |
17. When lost, they refuse to stop and ask for directions. n/t |
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donsu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 10:47 AM Response to Reply #17 |
25. ain't that the truth |
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Double T (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 10:31 AM Response to Original message |
18. Rethugs are typically wimps with bad hairpieces and BIG loud mouths.......... |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 10:32 AM Response to Original message |
19. "Masculine Mystique"? |
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whoneedstickets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 10:37 AM Response to Original message |
21. Paul Wellstone, Democratic Tough Guy... |
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shimmergal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 12:54 PM Response to Reply #21 |
33. What is it about Kerry that we need to avoid |
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whoneedstickets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 06:10 PM Response to Reply #33 |
55. Succinctly .... |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 06:18 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. This is the kind of stereotyping I'm talking about. |
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whoneedstickets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 06:59 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. We can't easily go after the GOP candidate as privileged |
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athebea (146 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 01:05 PM Response to Reply #62 |
80. Kerry made his money the old fashioned way |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 05:54 PM Response to Reply #80 |
90. Incorrect. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 05:56 PM Response to Reply #62 |
92. Kerry 'summered' at loading docks to earn his room and board at Yale - |
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athebea (146 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 01:03 PM Response to Reply #55 |
79. Kerry came across like Thurston Howell III |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 05:52 PM Response to Reply #79 |
89. Not to those of us who BOTHERED to know the facts instead of waiting for corpmedia |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 05:51 PM Response to Reply #55 |
88. Man - you let the media do your thinking for you? You didn't describe Kerry at all |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 05:49 PM Response to Reply #21 |
87. War heros - rescuers - pilots - expert hunters - hockey players - Harley riders - |
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thethinker (403 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 10:39 AM Response to Original message |
22. This was an issue in past elections |
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win_in_06 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 10:46 AM Response to Original message |
24. Whatever it is, Fred Thompson no doubt has it. |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 09:02 PM Response to Reply #24 |
65. I think so |
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DinahMoeHum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 10:49 AM Response to Original message |
26. Glen Greenwald (Salon) has called it a "Cult of Contrived Masculinity" |
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Psyop Samurai (873 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 06:25 PM Response to Reply #26 |
60. Great article... thanks for the link! |
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Alexia Wheaton (100 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 10:34 PM Response to Reply #26 |
68. Excellent article! |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 10:50 AM Response to Original message |
27. Another point has to be made |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 10:51 AM Response to Original message |
28. This is why I think Obama has a better chance than Edwards in the GE. |
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shimmergal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 01:25 PM Response to Reply #28 |
35. Actually, I don't know-- |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 01:55 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Well, I think the worst charge one can throw at Obama is that he |
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zalinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
29. I think Reagan was the beginning of the "tough" |
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shimmergal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 12:59 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. Yes! |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 08:50 PM Response to Reply #29 |
63. I'd say Teddy Roosevelt is the model. |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 10:37 AM Response to Reply #63 |
100. "Give a sissy a gun, and he will kill everything in sight" Gore Vidal on T Roosevelt (n/t) |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 11:37 AM Response to Original message |
30. Nominate a woman to kick their ass... |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 01:57 PM Response to Reply #30 |
37. Everybody knows she's one tough cookie--she has nothing to prove! |
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DuaneBidoux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 12:18 PM Response to Original message |
32. It has NOTHING to do with substance and everything to do with style. Tester & Webb have it. |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 02:36 PM Response to Original message |
39. Mike Judge understands. |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 02:42 PM Response to Original message |
40. As R. Lee Ermey would say: "Out-fucking-standing!" |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 03:24 PM Response to Original message |
43. It goes back a lot farther than Vietnam. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 03:24 PM Response to Original message |
44. I'm just spitballing here, but...maybe we could try actually standing up to them |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 12:16 PM Response to Reply #44 |
104. Exactly - and do it in a UNITED WAY. You didn't see a whole list of Dem lawmakers |
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Totally Committed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 03:25 PM Response to Original message |
45. I Googled "Male Mystique", and one of the articles I found described it this way: |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 03:31 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. I thought I made it up. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 03:26 PM Response to Original message |
46. So simple and true.......its the projected image and its reinforcement by the corporate media |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 03:27 PM Response to Original message |
47. hero worship- it's a monkey thing. evolutionary psychology |
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blueworld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 03:28 PM Response to Original message |
48. Truth serum? n/t |
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Carni (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 04:42 PM Response to Original message |
50. Bunch of old out of shape fart types IMO |
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Psyop Samurai (873 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 05:11 PM Response to Original message |
51. Fantastic post ! - please rate up, folks... |
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Totally Committed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 05:26 PM Response to Original message |
52. They ARE good at this bullsh*t -- |
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Totally Committed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 05:42 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. A Few Real Democrats in Real Uniforms.... |
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snagglepuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 06:13 PM Response to Original message |
56. Harpers Magazine published an article about Repubs and |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 06:15 PM Response to Original message |
57. here's a start: |
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kineneb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 06:18 PM Response to Original message |
59. they are roosters |
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jmondine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 06:35 PM Response to Original message |
61. Not to mention |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 08:51 PM Response to Original message |
64. That "masculinity" is ruining the country. |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 09:23 PM Response to Original message |
66. This is one of the most fascinating posts |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 10:12 PM Response to Original message |
67. Lots of money + unbridled arrogance and contempt for the system nt |
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gulliver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 11:01 PM Response to Original message |
69. Simple answer. It's sex. |
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shimmergal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 01:57 AM Response to Reply #69 |
72. If our candidates won't take on Bush |
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Alcibiades (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-13-07 11:35 PM Response to Original message |
70. It's the insecurity |
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Raksha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 12:01 AM Response to Original message |
71. Here's another variation on the theme--"authenticity." |
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bklyncowgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 06:26 AM Response to Reply #71 |
74. Don't let them get away with playing cowboy or soldier or tough cop. |
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LandOLincoln (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 03:17 PM Response to Reply #74 |
84. Thanks for bringing up the Imus ranch cutting horses. I was watching |
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bklyncowgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 04:57 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. At the very least this would have brought up the question about why Bush doesn't ride. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 06:00 PM Response to Reply #74 |
94. Kerry did slam back at Swifts at the Firefighters Convention that no newsmedia would air |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 02:02 AM Response to Original message |
73. But it happens to be true that Democrats are weak on defense |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 07:24 AM Response to Original message |
75. We can start by elevating WORKERS in the public eye. |
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blueworld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 07:32 AM Response to Original message |
76. After watching The Daily Show... |
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GeorgeGist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 08:45 AM Response to Original message |
78. The Authority of Penis Power ... |
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Killarney (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 01:14 PM Response to Original message |
81. The media, especially TALK RADIO |
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athebea (146 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 01:30 PM Response to Original message |
82. Does anyone remember the 1979 World Series ? |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 01:36 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. I happen to remember that game (former Pittsburgher here)-- |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 05:55 PM Response to Reply #82 |
91. You have touched on something. |
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pink-o (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 05:39 PM Response to Original message |
86. And these Macho blokes are very, very afraid of female sexuality... |
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durutti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-14-07 11:26 PM Response to Original message |
97. Read This Book |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 10:32 AM Response to Original message |
99. It's the "Daddy factor" that appeals to the authoritarian bootlickers in the gop |
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Locrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 10:46 AM Response to Original message |
101. culture |
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Bravo Zulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
102. Too win a presidential election |
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sampsonblk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-15-07 12:51 PM Response to Original message |
105. Bill Clinton was right and so are you |
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