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Vyan Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 12:04 PM
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It's a Progressive Nation After All

A new report from the Campaign for America's Future and Media Matters covering several years has finally revealed The Progressive Majority: Why a Conservative America Is a Myth!

Rather than being simply a set of unsubstantiated and unverified claims, as we have long grown accustomed to from the corporate media, this report takes a serious in depth look at what the majority of the country truly believes, and exactly what type of policies they really do support.

Can you hear the steam coming out of Brit Hume's ears from here?

Perception Vs Reality.

The report first goes a long way to give examples of how various media figures have a the drop of any number of hats proclaimed with great fanfare that "America is a Conservative Nation."

Guess what - No, It's Not.

But that hasn't slowed the proclaimers down much.

Brit Hume on Election Night 2006 as Democrats gave the GOP "A thumping" in Congress.

...from what we can see, from all the polling and everything else, it remains a conserative country.

It's not like Brit bothered to mention what polling he was referring too.

Glenn Beck on the same evening.

The Majority of Americans seem in favor of classically republican points of view

But it hasn't been just Conservatives who repeated this lie over and over again.

CNN's Candy Crowley.

(Democrats have been) on the wrong side of the values debate, the defense debate and oh yes, the gun debate

But here's the thing, what do people really believe? Should we have a strong and effective government or weak ineffective one? Should we trust industry more to handle our needs fairly? Is greater globalization good for the American economy? Do people favor a minimum wage increase? Are Taxes too High? Should we spur the economy with investment or more tax cuts?

This report provides a few answers for those questions which some of the above "journalists" might have a difficult time reconciling.

The report itself contains a lot of detail, but here are just some of the cliff notes in high resolution for the fact-challenged among us.

Do Americans Want More Government?

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Should Women have a Fair Share in the Workplace?

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Moral Values?

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Abortion?

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Taxes?

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Trust in Business?

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Is the Minimum Wage current sufficient?

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Income Disparity?

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Gays?

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Crime and Punishment?

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Should Government Spend more on The People who need it?

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What's intesting about many of these studies is that they haven't been hidden all this time, they come from major sources such as PEW, the Washington Post and L.A. Times.

This all should be very old news - but intestingly, it isn't?

And that's the real story here, that despite the fact that for decades the majority - and in some cases the vast majority - of the nation has been leaning more and more to the left on specific policy issues than we've all been led to believe.

Why?

Because the increasing minority of conservatives have managed to remain the squeakiest wheels in the car for all that time.

I think it's about time some of us Progressives learned to Squeak - Loudly.

In the meanwhile, a few of these facts, figures and charts just might come in handy the next time your sitting across the table from your wing-nut neighbor/father-in-law/sister/cousin/boss and they start spouting off about how "Conservative" America really is.

Vyan

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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 12:07 PM
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1. In Theory, Yes
But if we have to wait for a whole generation (or 2) of incompetent knavish fools to die before we get any decent leaders in place, there won't be any nation to progress.
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 12:20 PM
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2. I got this from Tom Paine today -- Very similar suject matter:
America's Progressive Majority

Eric Lotke
June 13, 2007
Eric Lotke is research director for the Campaign for America’s Future.

The façade of conservative political dominance is crumbling. The disintegration runs deeper than public disaffection with the Bush administration’s catastrophic failures and is more fundamental than the political realignment of the 2006 election. The notion of America as a “conservative nation” was always more fiction than fact, but the nation’s rejection of President Bush’s brand of “you’re-on-your-own” conservatism and wedge-issue divisiveness is so broad that today the façade is simply unsustainable.

Very good article; worth reading:

http://www.tompaine.com/articles/2007/06/13/americas_progressive_majority.php

TC
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 12:25 PM
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3. Kicked, Recommended, and Bokkmarked! Thanks - these are GREAT!
Really appreciate all this statistical ammo. Just more arrows in OUR quiver. Besides, it's nice to have these facts handy, and all in one place. Thanks, Vyan!
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 12:31 PM
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4. Just goes to show
how FUCKING IMPORTANT VOTER SUPPRESSION is to the GOP.

It's all about the turnout, babe. It is to the GOP's advantage to have as few people as possible turn out on election day. And this just demonstrates why. They know they can't win the policy debate, so they put up all kinds of roadblocks to prevent people from voting or even feeling like their vote matters.

That's why we have to do two things:

1) Clear up this voter fraud scandal. Get every last nasty, underhanded sneaky thing the GOP has done since 2000 out in the open. Put those responsible behind bars. Are ya reading me, Karl? Make it undeniably clear to the GOP that they will have to start running campaigns and elections on the merits of their arguments ... or else.


2) Register voters like mad ... always. It's that other half of the country that doesn't participate that we have to reach. We can't continue to have these piss poor voter turnout numbers and expect to get people elected with a mandate to .... enact a national health care system, for example.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 12:32 PM
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5. Yes, but since the US is not actually a democracy it doesn't matter.
Edited on Thu Jun-14-07 12:48 PM by BlueEyedSon
The US is run buy the corporations and the 100 or so richest families. They will do what they need to get the legislation/regs/policies they want. How we REALLY feel about things is irrelevant.

http://www.amazon.com/Rules-America-Politics-Social-Change/dp/0072876255/ref=sr_1_2/103-6490839-7762257?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1181843224&sr=1-2

http://g-ec2.images-amazon.com/images/I/41Q8tdmlGNL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-dp-500-arrow,TopRight,45,-64_OU01_AA240_SH20_.jpg
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 12:33 PM
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6. good stuff. thanks for posting it! n/t
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 08:23 PM
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7. I've been saying this for years.....
Nice to know I'm not delusional!! :)
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 08:49 PM
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8. Truly
Edited on Thu Jun-14-07 08:57 PM by ooglymoogly
this has been obvious to many of us since Reagan Bennett and Mees began destroying the economy of this country and turning it into a bogus nation of religious freaks and a country in total disrepute among intelligent people and nations and a nation ruled by gop propaganda that protected their lies and thievery with the help of the elimination of the fairness doctrine.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 09:04 PM
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9. I think that a lot of our Congresspersons should take a close look at these polls
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 09:09 PM
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10. Why? I doubt it would change Congress' minds.
Congresspeople are owned by the wealthy puppetmasters. They have little use for polls.
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 09:34 PM
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11. Great post!
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 02:31 AM
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12. They may be the majority, but it doesn't help that they have no party to speak through...
This, I believe, is a key reason why voting turn out is abysmal in this country. We had record turnout in 2006, especially for a mid-term election, and what are the results? A party that doesn't speak for the majority, but tricked the majority into voting for them. Will the same be repeated in 2008? I doubt it, hell, most of the country may just stay home on voting day.
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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 08:02 AM
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13. I think this says more about push-polling than America, to be honest.
I am immensely unimpressed by the phrasing of the questions.

I'm also interested that many of the graphs have unlabelled axes. It may be that they range from 0% to 100%, but it certainly doesn't make it clear, and I wonder vaguely whether they've been with false zeroes to make small majorities look larger.
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 11:28 AM
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14. Nader squeaks often and ...
is pretty much treated as a pariah by "Progressives".
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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 05:21 PM
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15. At least 80% of Americans have been in complete. . .
Edited on Fri Jun-15-07 05:38 PM by pat_k
. .agreement on ALL the critical basics for decades. Ever since we broke the covenant with hell we made at our founding -- a covenant that kept a sixth of us enslaved -- more and more of us have come to share a common vision of what a True America can be.

Americans currently being marginalized with the label "anti-war left" are no such thing. We are the anti-Bush majority. Our values and goals are shared by a vast majority of Americans, regardless of the labels they may apply to themselves.

Values such as responsibly and fairness.

Goals such as improving the quality of public education; establishing a minimum wage to ensure that work is compensated with a living wage; ensuring access to quality care when we are ill; ensuring that in retirement no citizen can be left homeless and destitute; ensuring that our tax dollars are not wasted; improving the efficiency and quality of public service; electing representatives who "support and defend" the Constitution and fight for the common interests of those they represent.

We know that private industry can only flourish and create prosperity for all when the power of the people to protect their interests is embodied in strong public institutions. No one wants "big government" -- we want exactly the "amount" of government we need to balance interests as we "form a more perfect union." No more, no less. When we established the Constitution of the United States, we gave ourselves all the tools we need achieve that balance. We have used those tools to right many of the horrible mistakes we have made as a nation.

But our Constituion is broken. We have surrendered our tools. Under rule by signing statement, it doesn't matter if 100% of us are in 100% agreement. We gave Congress the power to impeach to deal with a national crisis such as this. The refusal of "the good guys" to use that power has done FAR more damage than anything the 'bad guys' can do to us.

The people I meet in small towns and big cities, in diners and office parks, they don’t expect government to solve all their problems. They know they have to work hard to get ahead and they want to … But they sense, deep in their bones, that with just a change in priorities, we can make sure that every child in America has a decent shot at life, and that the doors of opportunity remain open to all. They know we can do better. And they want that choice.
--Barok Obama, Time to reclaim America's promise, July 27th, 2004, Democratic National Convention (http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/27/politics/campaign/27TEXT-OBAMA.htm?ei=5070&en=a42309e30654787d&ex=1093838400&pagewanted=print&position=">Transcript)

If I have come to know anything from traveling throughout the country for the last fifteen years, it is crystallized in this one insight: people yearn today for a new covenant in our public life and politics. It is a covenant that starts among political leaders, the news media, and citizens and has at its core these aspirations:
  • Political leaders who engage in a different kind of relationship with citizens—all citizens, from all walks of life—and take responsibility for explaining where they stand, setting the right tone for politics, and conducting themselves forthrightly

  • News media that help people truly come to know about public issues and political leaders, and that understand people need and want room to form their own judgments, at their own pace and rhythm

  • Citizens who stop merely complaining about the state of public life and politics and assume responsibility for changing what they see and creating the kind of nation we all seek
-- Richard C. Harwood, "Devotion: Declaring Our Intentions in Public Life" National Civics Review 92:1, Spring 2003

Our Constitution -- amended and entrusted to us to protect and perfect as we strive to "form a more perfect union" -- defines who we are. It embodies our hopes, like those captured in the quotes above, for what a True America can be. It is the product of our commitment to the audacious belief that common people can design and perfect a system -- the inviolate dictates, framework, officials, powers, evolving institutions and body of law -- that balances conflicting interests in a way that reflects common values and embodies the principle of consent.

Our Constitution is in breach. Our foundation is broken. We need to repeat and repeat this grim reality until enough of us "get it." Under rule by signing statement, it doesn't matter if 100% are in 100% agreement. The voice of the people has been cut out of the loop. Impeachment is the ONLY means by which we can confront the truth of our current crisis as a nation.

If the men and women we empowered to defend us fail, the nightmare won't end with the end of Bush's term of office. Impeachment, even if it must be carried out by the 111th Congress "in absentia" is the ONLY means by which we can repair our foundation and claim our sovereignty
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