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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 06:57 PM Original message |
This won't make me popular (not that I am now), but I'm gonna defend lobbyists... |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 07:00 PM Response to Original message |
1. from the bottom of my registered lobbyist heart, thanks!! |
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acmavm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 07:00 PM Response to Original message |
2. You're correct. And if you didn't have politicians who sell themselves to |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 07:01 PM Response to Original message |
3. Legalized bribery is still bribery, and I frankly don't care for any lobbyists... |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 07:01 PM Response to Original message |
4. I have no problem with lobbyists, just with lobbyists giving money to politicians |
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Blue_In_AK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 07:02 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. I agree. |
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acmavm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 07:03 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Which is illegal, isn't it? |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 07:04 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. Lobbyists can't give any more money than enyone else... |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 07:29 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. It's basically the same thing |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 07:30 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Ethical lobbyists won't do that... |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 07:46 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Do we know which lobbyists are ethical and which ones aren't? |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 10:26 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Most lobbyists - or their organizations - do not give money to members of Congress |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 10:39 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. I'm not assuming that they're all bad |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 10:47 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Many of them do. Many of them don't. It is their right to do so, just as it is yours. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 11:05 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Yes it does mean that they have undue influence |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 11:25 PM Response to Reply #8 |
23. I don't think so |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 12:13 AM Response to Reply #23 |
35. Corporations just have to form a PAC, each PAC can give $5000 to a candidate |
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WCGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 07:03 PM Response to Original message |
6. I really think that Lobbyist have gotten the short schrif.... |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 07:20 PM Response to Original message |
9. I think you can tell something about a candidate by the lobbyists they hire |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 07:23 PM Response to Original message |
10. There are some lobbyists that ARE ethical.. |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 07:25 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. I would go further and say most are ethical... |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 09:00 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. And bad apples serve a purpose as well... |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 08:38 PM Response to Original message |
15. I'm not going to flame, and your point is well-taken |
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CK_John (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 09:46 PM Response to Original message |
17. Why do we keep wanting to shred the constitution. Right to petition is very important part |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 10:33 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. The bad guys LOVE it when people think that all lobbyists are bad |
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illinoisprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 11:39 PM Response to Original message |
24. does your defense have anything to do with Hillary's ties to so many???? |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-24-07 12:57 AM Response to Reply #24 |
27. I certainly imagine so...carrying water for a water carrier (n/t) |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-24-07 12:12 AM Response to Original message |
25. My mom was a lobbyist. So what? |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-24-07 12:56 AM Response to Original message |
26. But...but...but...they're just following orders! |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-24-07 08:02 AM Response to Original message |
28. Sorry, I don't care how noble your close relative is, but lobbyists are a large part of the problem |
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blondie58 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-24-07 08:39 AM Response to Reply #28 |
29. thanks for presenting the other side |
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Ethelk2044 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-24-07 08:44 AM Response to Reply #28 |
30. I agree with you 150% |
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Independent Democrat (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 01:01 AM Response to Reply #28 |
38. LOBBYING= Political representation based on purchasing power. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-24-07 09:20 AM Response to Original message |
31. Here, here, there is so much complicated legislation out there |
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IndyOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-24-07 09:29 AM Response to Original message |
32. Lobbying fine. Money for campaigns, gifts, services of ANY kind - NO! |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-24-07 09:41 AM Response to Original message |
33. I used to work for labor lobbyists |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-24-07 02:41 PM Response to Original message |
34. What you didn't mention is what your "honest", "hard-working", "dedicated" relative has done to |
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Independent Democrat (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 12:25 AM Response to Original message |
36. You support lobbyists because you support Clinton...... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 01:01 AM Response to Original message |
37. Who get earmarks for important projects |
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