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HardWorkingDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 11:39 PM
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What I would have LOVED to hear Elizabeth Edwards say.....
I'm sorry, but she really didn't "take on" coulter or score any huge points, other than maintaining her fine, southern manners (which may turn out to be much more meaningful as this story develops)

What I would have liked to have heard her do is take Matthews to task for having this despicable woman on his show in the first place and then tell Coulter she is a hate filled, venomous disgrace and if she is so, so concerned about feminism and strength in women, then why does she dress like a skank.
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rwheeler31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 11:45 PM
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1. She did what great people
do.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 11:50 PM
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2. She won the argument BECAUSE of her class and demeanor.
She made Coulter look like the ass she is.
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HardWorkingDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 12:09 AM
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11. Fine manners will get us no where unless there is some true bite to them....
I'm sorry, but I really do find E. Edwards to be a fine, fine woman, but she should have also put Matthews right on the spot and asked him why does he have guests on this show that speak vile things like Coulter does.

Imagine if she had of said, "And Chris, I am really, really disappointed in you for giving such a forum for this sort of hatefulness."

I'm sorry, but when I heard it, I did not hear what other people are stating.

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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 03:28 AM
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16. I wish I could agree with you...
...but this sort of television is all about confrontation and "excitement" -- not about calmly presenting the facts, but about interrupting, changing the subject, name-calling, and whatever else is necessary to come across as the most dominant. EE was, in a word, "poised," but she also let Mannthrax get in shot after shot (including the implication that JE was so effeminate he needed wifey to come to his defense)...and come away framing it so that she was the one who was being threatened.

And, even if Mannthrax hadn't managed to more than hold her own, the very fact that EE would see Mannthrax as worth confronting in the first place did more to validate her than any number of cushy guest spots on Fox could manage. Basically, Coultergeist is vermin that should not be given the credit of a response. She had already done a great job of discrediting herself with her loony pronouncements, and was being relegated in the mind of the average American to the margins where she was not worth paying attention to. Unfortunately, by dignifying her with a response, EE may have unwittingly pulled her away from the margins of "raving lunatic" and back into the realm of "respected ultra-conservative voice."

So, sad as it may seem, I see this as a big win for Mannthrax and her public reputation...and am sorry that "our side" contributed to it. :-(

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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 11:51 PM
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3. Elizabeth is a lawyer. She knows AH can say almost anything she
wants to under the First Ammendment. I think Elizabeth did a great job by remaining out of the gutter where the Snakes and Vermine live and speak. It would have been completely out of charachter for Elizabeth to say whay you suggest. HOWEVER it would be terrific to hear someone like Mike Maloy call a show she's on and explain the facts to AH Annie!
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 11:51 PM
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4. I didn't get a chance to watch it, but from what I've read on here.. Elizabeth rocked..

I'm sure if she would've had all the time in the world, she could've really torn into Mr. Coulter though..

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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 11:52 PM
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5. She's too much of a lady, however, if Chris Matthews has
any cojones he'll allow any one of us on his show or even better Randi Rhodes, who had plenty to say about Ann Coulter and Elizabeth Edwards reply to her today on her show. I don't think any of us or Randi will hold back anything we have to say to Ann Coulter.

C'mon Chris, if you really want to play hardball get Ann Coulter up against Randi Rhodes. I'll bet you are too chicken. *cluck* *cluck* *cluck*
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 11:53 PM
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7. OMG, that would be awesome!

Coultergeist up against Randi!! S/he wouldn't know what hit him!
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 11:55 PM
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8. Actually, Chris won't have Randi on his show. She's tried to get
on it or so she has said. He's too chicken to get someone with a real attitude and the facts to back it up on his show.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 05:42 AM
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19. No, if he had any cojones, he would not invite Coulter on his show.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 11:28 AM
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25. That goes without saying, however, if he must , he should invite
another guest who can debate her and give her guest equal time (that will never happen with Matthews). Spending an hour with a vile mouthed empty cocktail dress trashes his credibility right there. I stopped watching him during the Clinton witch hunt when he had a string of right wing Clinton hating blonds, Coulter included, spouting off vitriol about his morals. He proved to me that his hardball was nothing more than an inflatable toy.
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MalloyLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 09:40 AM
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22. Elizabeth is not the one to do it. But Randi Rhodes could.
Frankly, I couldn't have managed to maintain my composure without saying some really nasty things to mAnn. Good for Elizabeth.
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 12:04 PM
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26. That's it!!!
That's the key. We need someone on our side that will put her in her place. EE should not get in the mud with that fool.

I have no qualms about doing that. We need more people who are willing to take off the gloves and fight for EE and the others who they disparage.

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southerncrone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 11:52 PM
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6. Since I don't usually pay ANY attention to Coultergiest, I hadn't
realized until today that she wears that same dress to EVERYTHING! I'm no fashion mogul, but come on!
Has anyone else seen her wear anything else?
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 12:00 AM
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9. Chris Matthews ADORES Elizabeth Edwards
I don't suppose it's occurred to anybody that he had Coultergeist on the show specifically so Elizabeth could call in and put her to shame.
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HardWorkingDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 12:06 AM
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10. Right, and he really showed it, didn't he.....he's a phoney...
Come on. BS. If he really adored her he would not have tolerated Coulter's shit.

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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 12:51 AM
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14. He let Coulter bury herself
He didn't have to do or say anything. He just let her talk herself right into oblivion.
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 12:18 AM
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12. Why does Hardball always have her on the show alone?



I don't recall ever seeing Coultergeist debating anyone on MSNBC or CNN... and I don't watch Faux.




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Kiouni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 12:21 AM
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13. I thought he turned on Coulter in the end though.
He was yupping it up to her in the beginning but after Mrs. Edwards drilled her he started to back up Elizabeth.
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Make7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 01:32 AM
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15. An unofficial transcript posted in the comments over at 'Crooks and Liars':
Edited on Wed Jun-27-07 01:36 AM by Make7
Transcript:

Elizabeth: I’d like to ask Ann Coulter to.. if she wants to debate on issues, on positions.. we certainly disagree with nearly everything she said on your show today, but it’s quite another matter for these personal attacks. The things that she has said over the years, not just about John, but about other candidates, it lowers our political dialogue precisely at the time that we need to raise it. So, I’d like to use the opportunity, which I don’t get much ‘coz Ann and I don’t hang out with the same ppl, [Ann mumbles: ‘coz I don’t have enough money], to ask her poliltely to stop the personal attacks.

Ann: So I made a joke lets see.. six months ago, and as you point out, they’ve been raising money off of it for six months.

Mathews: But this is yesterday morning, what you said about him.

Ann: I didn’t say anything about him actually either time.

Elizabeth: Ann you know that’s not true, and what’s more it’s been going on for some time..

Ann [laughing]: .. and I don’t mind you trying to raise money. It’s better this than giving 50,000 dollars speeches to the poor, just to use my name on the webpages.

Elizabeth: I’m asking you.. I’m asking you politely..

Ann [contemptuously]: but as for a debate with me, yeah sure. yeah we’ll have a debate.

Elizabeth: I’m asking you politely to stop personal attacks.

Ann: how about you stop raising money on your webpage then.

Elizabeth: It didn’t start..

Ann: no you don’t have to ‘coz I don’t mind.

Elizabeth: It did not start with that. You had a column a couple of years ago..

Ann: wait ok, the wife of a presidential candidate is calling in asking me to stop speaking ?

Elizabeth: ..wait till I finish talking please.

Mathews: Let her finish the point.

Ann: You’re asking me to stop speaking. Stop writing your columns, stop writing your books.

Elizabeth: You had a column a couple of years ago which made fun of the moment of Charlie Dean’s death and suggested that my husband had a bumper sticker on the back of his car that said “Ask me about my Dead Son”.

Ann: That’s now.. 3 years ago.

Elizabeth: That’s not legitimate political dialogue. It debases political dialogue. It drives people away from the process. We can’t have a debate about issues if you are using this kind of language.

Audience Member shouts: Let John Edwards make this call

Ann: Yeah why isn’t John Edwards making this call ? (laughter from the audience)

Mathews: Well you wanna respond ? We’ll end this conversation.

Elizabeth: I haven’t talked to John about this call…

Ann: I think this is just another attempt to.. (makes a face)

Elizabeth: I’m making this call as a mother. I’m the mother of that boy who died. My children participate. These young people behind you are the age of my children. You are asking them to participate in a dialogue that’s based on hatefulness and ugliness instead of on the issues, and I don’t think that’s serving them or this country very well.

[ Loud cheers from the audience ]
[ Ann smiles embarassingly ]

Ann: I think we heard all we need to hear. The wife of a presidential candiadate is asking me to stop speaking. NO.

Mathews: No, she said you should stop being so negative to people individually.

Ann: Right, as opposed to bankrupting doctors by giving.. umm… a Shyster Las Vegas routine in front of juries based on science..

Mathews: Ok..

Ann: Wait, you said I’d have as long as .. would have, and you instantly interrupt me.

Mathews: go ahead, go ahead, go ahead..

Ann:… and, umm .. as I was saying.. doing these psychic routines in front of illiterate juries to bankrupt doctors who now can’t deliver babies, and to charge a [emotes quotation signs] poverty group [/end of] 50,000 dollars a speech. Don’t talk to me about.. about how to use Language.

Mathews: Elizabeth ?

Elizabeth: I’m gonna ask you again to politely stop using personal attacks as part of your dialogue

Ann: [laughing] Ok I’ll stop writing books. [snickering from the audience]

Elizabeth: If you can’t write them without them (insults) then that’s fine.

Mathews: Why do you talk about Hillary’s chubby legs in your book ? [laughter from audience] Why do you ? I mean if it falls into the category of personal attacks I don’t know, but why do you do that ? Why do you talk about Monica Lewinsky’s chubbiness ? If she were skinny would it have been ok ?

Ann: Umm I don’t know read the sentence.

Mathews: I read the whole sentence, I couldn’t feel the context.

Ann: Well you have to give it to me, and I can explain..

Mathews: Why do you make fun of Hillary’s chubby legs ?

Ann: I don’t know you’re going to have to give me the sentence.

Mathews: [Sighing] we’ll be back and we’ll read the entire sentence. The full “intellectual context” will be coming to you in just a few moments

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/06/26/elizabeth-edwards-confronts-ann-coulter/

This was the exchange that I particularly enjoyed:

Elizabeth: I’m gonna ask you again to politely stop using personal attacks as part of your dialogue

Ann: Ok I’ll stop writing books.

Elizabeth: If you can’t write them without them (insults) then that’s fine.


It's as if Ann is admitting that she would be unable to write her books without personal attacks. Which, of course, is pretty much the truth.

- Make7
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 03:44 AM
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17. Such a bitch
She immediately claims to be the victim - "I can't speak" - no, she was asked not to use personal attacks, which is so obviously not the same thing. She immediately changes the subject and tries to twist it.

Her comment she doesn't hang out with the Edwardses because she doesn't have enough money is despicable.

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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 07:28 AM
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21. Evil shit just dribbles from her mouth. My fave: "Illiterate juries"
Edited on Wed Jun-27-07 07:28 AM by bunkerbuster1
Yeah, that's right. the only way a John Edwards can make a case is to have an "illiterate jury" to work with.

It speaks volumes about right-wing hatred of people in general, doesn't it? doesn't it perfectly explain their voter-caging schemes, their disenfranchisement-via-voter-ID restrictions?

They simply consider the beliefs of vast numbers of people to be irrelevant, and aren't the least bit ashamed of it.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 05:41 AM
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18. I agree - The problem is not Coulter - She is despicable, but the problem is the media which made
her a voice of authority.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 06:57 AM
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20. I agree - also note when Matthews comes in he incorrectly
summarizes EE to referring to the problem as saying "negative" things about people. The thing is EE is not speaking of "negative" comments, but of comments that ridicule or diminish people - that are personal destruction. EE, to her credit, made the issue broader than just the attacks on her husband.

It sounds counterintuitive, but "negative" is positive spin on what Coulter does. It would be negative coverage if the media honestly covered Cheney's idiotic attempt to avoid oversight by claiming he was not part of the exectutive branch or other worse actions of Bush, Cheney, Gonzales etc. Negative is fair if true.

What Coulter does is negative, but it goes beyond that.
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ordinaryaveragegirl Donating Member (853 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 09:45 AM
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23. Elizabeth Edwards has too much class to talk back
But Annthrax can't keep her trap shut. Ever. Guess who's the stronger woman here...I think we already know. ;-)
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 10:21 AM
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24. God bless Elizabeth Edwards...
Just think of the vile-beyond-words Coulter as a meeting with the devil ~ Elizabeth triumphed by not allowing herself to become polluted with hatred.

Now, if they're smart, she and John will deny Chris Matthews another visit with them ~ let someone else have the pleasure of their company. Chris is no longer worthy.
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 12:53 PM
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27. Yes, very true
Chris Matthews doesn't deserve to have them on his show ever again.

People are rightfully mad at Coulter but Matthews deserves the most criticism because he knew what he was doing. The only thing he's probably thinking about are his ratings.
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