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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 05:20 PM
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Compare FDR's response to Pearl Harbor with that of Pres. Bush's response to 9-11.
I always find it fascinating that those on the right try to defend Pres. Bush's reaction to the events of September 11th. Now while no one can fully understand the pressures heaved on a president during a time of chaotic events, you can at least get some understanding through comparison. And since September 11th is often compared to the events of Pearl Harbor, I thought it would be interesting to compare Pres. Bush's actions of those events with FDR's during the bombing of Pearl Harbor.

Firstly, Franklin Roosevelt's.

In Washington D.C. it was early afternoon. President Roosevelt was having lunch with Harry Hopkins, his trusted friend and chief policy aide. The phone rang . It was Roosevelt's Secretary of War, Henry Stimson. Stimson told the President of the sneak attack on Pearl Harbor. Hopkins refused to believe the report. The President believed it.

The rest of the afternoon was spent receiving news of the attack, in bits and pieces, from the Navy Department. Other members of the President's advisory committee would eventually come to the Oval Office and be brought up to date regarding the events at Pearl Harbor. Grace Tully, the President's secretary would take down the information from the phone in shorthand as it was relayed by the Navy then transcribe it to her typewriter. The massive impact of what had happened slowly became apparent to all. Shortly after 5:00 P.M. the advisors, with the exception of Hopkins, left the Oval Office. Roosevelt requested that his secretary type a draft of the speech he had prepared for his war message to Congress. He spoke the words to her slowly and clearly.

The entire message delivered to a joint session of Congress on December 8th was short. It took the President less than six minutes to read. The opening phrase, "Yesterday, December 7,1941 - a date which will live in infamy -- The United States was suddenly and deliberately attacked by naval and air forces of the Empire of Japan." would later be regarded as the most famous phrase ever uttered by an American President.


http://my.execpc.com/~dschaaf/attack.html

The reaction of Roosevelt was swift. Even though the attacks happened nearly a world away, the President, his staff and other military officials, were essentially locked in the Oval Office all day, trying to get an understanding of the events that had just unfolded and whether more were planned. Not once, even though America was attacked by a country, did Roosevelt go into a hiding, nor was he whisked away by an airplane and then taken to some remote area for safety. Nope, he stood right there in the Oval Office with his staff and didn't blink in the face of adversity. And then, as the day came to a close, he asked his secretary to type his words, words that formed a speech which healed a nation and went down as one of the greatest speeches in American history.

Then there is President Bush. Who was informed, prior to entering a classroom, that a plane had hit a tower in New York. Upon receiving this news, Bush was quoted as saying "that's one bad pilot," how presidential. (http://www.s5000.com/articles_main387.php)
Then Bush decided to continue into the classroom, for his meet and read with the school children. Later on in the morning Bush was informed that another plane had hit the World Trade Center and that America was under attack. At this time Bush was faced with two scenarios, as he could have either politely stood up and excused himself from the room, telling the kids that he needed to attend to presidential business. Or he could just sit there, like a fool. As we all know, Bush chose the latter and the rest is history. Instead of getting up and actually leading, he waited five minutes and then decided to act. But instead of returning to Washington, Bush made a quick speech to the nation (in front of the very children he didn't want to worry by excusing himself from the classroom) and then hopped on a plane where he practically flew around the world in 80 days (or at least felt like it).

I can see quickly getting the president out of the open, but that didn't appear to be a major problem when Bush sat there for 5 minutes and then spent about another hour in the elementary school before finally leaving. At this point, like with Roosevelt and Pearl Harbor, it was not clear WHAT was happening, how many more attacks were planned, or where they would hit. That however was not a concern to Bush, or his staff, and instead of actually leading on 9-11, he flew around the nation like a scared child running from the bogeyman.

Roosevelt stood up and decided to lead when Pearl Harbor was bombed. Bush flew around the nation, scared to lead and left it up to others in his administration. The fact Japan had just bombed the United States did not force Roosevelt into hiding, even though it very well was possible the Japanese had ordered a hit on Washington, or even the White House. Bush though? He hid, which is something only a coward does.
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 05:27 PM
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1. George W. Bush understands about being a coward better than anything else.
He is a disgrace to our nation. A shameful man who knows no shame.
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kirby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 05:28 PM
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2. Thats not how many saw it...
I recall my grandmother telling me that people were furious that Roosevelt wasn't doing anything immediately and that people were talking about marching to the Whitehouse and burning it down unless he acted swiftly. They fact that he waited until the following day pissed a lot of people off.

Irregardless of the 7 minutes on 9/11, Bush is still an incompetent asshole coward who should never have occupied the WH.
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Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 05:37 PM
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4. Behind the scenes people were trying to find a way to bomb Japan


Dolittles raid was the answer.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 05:37 PM
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5. I can see that.
Of course back then it took nearly a lifetime to get information from one side of the country to the other. But the point is, Pres. Roosevelt spent the entire day and night in the Oval Office, while Pres. Bush spent the entire day and night flying around the country like the scared pissant he is.
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 05:39 PM
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6. With all due respect to your grandmother...
...what exactly could FDR do on 12/7/41? What was left of the Pacific Fleet tried desperately to find the IJN task force immediately after PH. The OP's point was that Roosevelt didn't disappear when he heard of the attack, didn't sit there with a blank expression, and certainly DIDN'T shirk his responsibilities as CiC.

And, regardless of the right-wing CT's who say he had foreknowledge of the attack, Roosevelt loved the US Navy and would have NEVER sacrificed a single sailor to get us into a conflict with the Japanese empire - a conflict HE KNEW we weren't quite ready for. (I know you didn't bring that up, but I wrote it as a pre-emptive for those who believe such rubbish and will likely post on this thread.)
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kirby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 05:50 PM
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7. As my grandmother would have said...
Well what could Bush have done within those 7 minutes that would have amounted to more than a hill of beans? Seriously, all the 7 minutes criticism seems to be like debating how many angels can dance on the head of pin. Nothing he did would have mattered in just 7 minutes. And nothing he did would have made him more 'presidential' since he is such a doofus. We already know that at minute 8 he was preparing to retaliate against Iraq ;)

My point was just to relate the differing view of someone was living during that time. She painted a picture of people up in arms--kinda like people gathering their pitchforks to go confront Frankenstein.
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 05:31 PM
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3. George Walker Bush has never been, and will never be, the caliber of man that...
...Franklin Delano Roosevelt was:



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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 05:54 PM
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8. Clearly: Two Universes Appart!!
The Brilliant Universe Is Shinning Bright On Top!

the dark end-worlder is making chimpy faces...

(Apologies to all friendly chimpanzees.)
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Mend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 05:59 PM
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9. President Roosevelt could also read books that had more than 10 words on
each page and no pictures of goats.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 06:19 PM
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10. One thing our country did.
We came together and rose to the occasion WHEN WE WERE ATTACKED BY ANOTHER COUNTRY.

Bush brought his administration together to GO OUT AND ATTACK A NEUTRAL COUNTRY.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 08:30 PM
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11. If Roosevelt had acted like Bush, we would have invaded Switzerland. n/t
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-28-07 08:31 AM
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12. For quite some time Bush* was referred to as bunnypants here on DU
It was a referance to his running and hiding. Hopping all over the country and hiding in little holes while others handeled the job of reassuring the nation and dealing with the situation. And now he thinks of himself as a 9-11 Hero...The whole reason Rudy is considered at all is because he was the one that was there and on the news at least trying to reassure folks. Bush* (bunnypants) was no where to be found..
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