Obama has cracked...His entire campaign is going down in flames..

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http://www.suntimes.com/news/elections/443363,CST-NWS-dems26.article

There is no doubt that Hillary is ready to be President on January 20, 2009. She has a lifetime of service to this country. And most importantly, she knows the issues at hand.

Does she have my vote yet in the primary? I don't know who I'm supporting yet.

But to somehow say that Hillary isn't ready to assume the office of the presidency, is downright dumb on Obama's part. It's just not factually correct.

Hillary may have a lifetime of service to this country, but both Dodd and Biden have more, as well as Kucinich.
If lots of experience is what you are looking for then you can do better than the Hill.

is what's killed it for me.

No interest in IMPEACHMENT??? They haven't seen enough crimes???? It would take too long?????

FUCK THAT.

And guess what I'm going to write on that snail-mail appeal for campaign donations when I send it back to the Obama campaign - empty? I promise I'll be polite, however.

BTW - Dodd has told some of his constituents the same thing. He's out now, too, as far as I'm concerned.

This is really sad. I had a lot of hope for Obama. He had my vote barring a Gore candidacy.

What a glum realization. Glad you're here, though - we need you!

People need to learn that directing their anger and bitter frustrations at people such as Hilary Clinton does nothing but divert attention from the real villans. I can think of about 647 reasons why practically every Republican in power should be incarcerated at this point in time. So I should attack Senator Clinton?

It is fair game for Obama supporters to attack Hillary

I haven't been attacking Obama for months. Many people have not been attacking Obama for months. He's responsible for what he says and does. Well, if you consider not praising Obama for every word he speaks and every campaign appearance as an attack, then just about everyone but the main stream media horse race creating ratings sloggers are "not guilty". Do you have any actual examples of Senator Clinton's supporters "attacking" Obama?

because Bill previously held the office before. He was honest and correct.

Embrace the Way Of The Windsock...

==Obama could be as calculating as they come. He promoted himself as a defender of abortion rights, but he encouraged fellow Democrats to vote "present" on abortion bills. Friends say the strategy was designed to protect lawmakers, including Obama, with designs on higher offices.

Still, he once voted against requiring medical care for aborted fetuses who survive.==

I am sure voting against medical care for fetuses who survive an abortion (otherwise known as newborn babies) will be a great selling point for Obama in the general election.

http://www.wtop.com/?nid=213&pid=0&sid=1168672&page=3

... that he associates with KNOWN THESPIANS, and HOMO SAPIENS.

Why don't you provide us with a copy of the bill he voted against, so we can see for ourselves, OK? Generally speaking, I get the feeling that Obama is against the senseless taking of human life - you know, things like invading Iraq.

:sarcasm:

==Why don't you provide us with a copy of the bill he voted against, so we can see for ourselves, OK?.==

I am sure we will hear more about the bill if he makes it to the GE.

If you're going to accuse a man of person of something awful, you'd damned well better have something to back it up.

;).

But that's ok. We forgive.

which he encouraged all his fellow legislators to do as a favor to themselves if they decide in the future on higher aspirations.

Voting present has the same effect as a no vote.

Obama, unlike mere mortals, would never change his vote for political gain (especially on an important issue like abortion), like some others have (there is top secret evidence of it. Don't expect to see it. Just have faith!).

ooohh yeah. I want to vote for someone else who spends his time figuring out ways to weasel on voting. And they called Bill "Slick Willie"? Yeah - he's the "candidate of change". :rofl:

The Official Story also holds that HRC, Edwards, Dodd, Biden, Kerry, and others voted for the IWR because of political reasons. No evidence is offered to support this claim. Yet, we have Obama's own friends saying he changed his vote for political gain (if he did it on this, what else would he be willing to sacrifice for political gain in the future, especially given his obsession with working with right-wingers under the clever guise of "unity"?) and they continue to tar the other candidates as unprincipled wind socks and portray their man as a rare bastion of political courage! :rofl:

Astroturf, baby

...he must be fantasizing that he's a basketball player and uses phrases like "with game, baby". Hillaryis44.com is a racist site now, and as such should be banned from DU.

I'm not even sour on Hillary, but people shouldn't post right-wing rhetoric against any of the Democratic candidates.

=="I'm LeBron, baby. I can play on this level. I got some game."

-- Sen. Barack Obama, quoted in the new book Obama: From Promise to Power by David Mendell, likening himself as NBA star LeBron James as he walked around the 2004 Democratic National Convention in Boston.==

It had nothing to do with color but rather the fact that both were up-and-coming stars in their respective fields with unlimited potential.

After all, why should it be disputed? It does show him to be arrogant but anyone who wants to be the most powerful person on the planet is arrogant to a substantial degree.

His own book was self-serving and in preparation of a future presidential run. Why would he include something that made him sound arrogant in it?

Now we agree!

:)

Because Tellurian can post any damn thing they please here , even when the sources raises eyebrows or are not the same as the title chose for them.

No one cares. NO ONE.

Diplomatic Immunity!

YOU TOOLS!

We're all Hillarists now.

Our kind beneficent ruler... I am in tears.

Long Live Hillary! May the Lord bless Chelsea with the nomination in 2024.

Another snide sneer without a factual link to back it up.

Stop being so stubborn and turn on CNN. All the leading pundits agree.

Don't trash Hillary. She's a true progressive who will turn around the woeful debt-ridden deindustrialized nature of our economy and who will contribute to finding a peaceful solution to the Middle Eastern conflicts instead of furthering the wars.

Just ugly, nasty prejudice.

Not to mention the contemptuous insult to the rest of us, who have yet to cast our votes.

Nice head of worthless steam there. At least find an engine to run.

To resist our nominee. She is on our side. Not the side of big business.

To discourage people from voting by making them feel hopeless about the outcome.

A truly suspicious person might wonder that.

It's a patriotic duty!

:sarcasm:

They tell me that the writing didn't do the job.

:loveya:

If you don't vote for her, they send big hairy guys in jogging suits around to beat the crap out of you.

Why do you think she chose to live in NY?

I checked out the about part and nothing.

Nobody knows, but "operatives" are suspected.

I hate this kind of stuff. It is like that John Kerry site that popped up and no one knew.

It could be anyone.

Free exposure just saves the bastards money.

Now that is really something.

Nooooooo!

who is behind that hit site? Mark Penn?

It's information that is never discussed here, more than anything...

There is nothing at the Hillary IS 44 site that is untrue or a "smear"..

If you find something written about that YOU feel is lacking in accuracy; dispute it with proof, otherwise.

Actually, this Obama break couldn't come at a worse time for him, seeing the PBS Democratic presidential debate, Howard University, Washington, D.C. is tomorrow.

The truth need not apply. Resistance is futile. Do not dare to question the Great Leader.

She knows who the real threat is.

I'm wondering if you're even still supporting "him" anymore...

He never should have run so soon after entering the Senate. He could have waited and honed his political skills and planned a political strategy to take on all comers...He underestimated the level of difficulty, and is now paying the price..

What evidence is there linking this site to HRC anyway? That seems to be another unsubstantiated "smear" from the Obama camp.

I support HIM, not "him". Resistance is futile. There are only two candidates in the race. All others should quit, like they did in 2003 as Holy Joe and Howard Dean battled it out for the nomination. After the second quarter fundraising numbers come out it will be clear that there is only one choice. He earned the right and will purchase victory. I don't know why those others losers even have the audacity of hope to challenge HIM for what is rightfully HIS.

His campaign has lost so much momentum already. If you heed Obama's words in the article, reading between the lines, his donations are way below this quarters expectations...His ego is bruised, his attitude has soured, the campaign has become a drag on him physically. Look at Obama's face. The strain is becoming visible.

:ROFL:

:rofl:

are what they are. The absence of counter proof does not make something true. (rules of logic)

But then again, I also know people that like to plant a seed.

Even for you this is total lowball gutter racist trash and it should be taken down.

If not, we may have to assume this is the way we play and it'll be time for hardhats and galoshes all the way 'round.

This is ironic...

What exactly is racist about the OP?

A presidential campaign should be held to a higher standard than an obscure website., right?

The "even for you" statement is lame. Tellurian is an important contributor to DU and presents some needed dissenting opinions that are rare at DU. We are, at least in the days of the "old politics", the party of the big tent. Tellurian is as welcome in the tent as anyone.

what can I say? I told you so...just doesn't cut it!

Well, to hell with "flawless". Give me human, heart, soul, passion....oh, I forget those characteristics were called unelectable in 2003.

When you're fighting a war, you don't take your eye off the prize..

Until you've Won! Hillary is focused and in it to Win!

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And sad thing is..even less people will be united behind Hillary, for good reasons too.

I won't even vote in the election. Nope. I'm doubtful I'll even vote for Obama. Probably not. So I'll just sit it out. And before you bullshit me about how dare you, your one vote could cost the election, no it won't, there'd be so many goddamn recounts if the election was between one vote in a presidential election. And it's decided by the electoral college anyway, or the Supreme Court. And there are many people who sit out who don't even have the ability to vote or aren't registered to vote, so I won't feel so guilty.

I don't want someone to vote against, I want someone to vote for, that's why I'm voting for John Edwards or Al Gore or even Gen. Wes Clark if he gets in.

into the campaign.

When they have done that, we'll hear about how endearing it is...just so we know.

;)

June 27, 2007 Qunnipiac -

Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania state polls:

Florida: Clinton 38%, Obama 15%, Edwards 8%, Gore 13%;

Ohio: Clinton 40%, Obama 12%, Edwards 12%, Gore 12%;

Pennsylvania: Clinton 32%, Obama 18%, Gore 16%, Edwards 7%

Without Gore:

Florida: Clinton 43%, Obama 16%, Edwards 11%;

Ohio: Clinton 46%, Obama 14%, Edwards 15%;

Pennsylvania: Clinton 38%, Obama 22%, Edwards 10%.

"Sen. Clinton's numbers are as reliable as a Swiss watch. Her support and lead remain rock solid among the Democrats in these key states."

people to smear him?

Gore is going to kick * if and when he gets in!

Being flush with corporate cash gives one a certain swagger, the swagger must be what is throwing off their aim?

You've got to be kidding! :rofl:

Roffle waffles of inevitability.

And Now back to your regularly scheduled smear campaign.

Thanks for the motivation. :toast:

but I'm starting to suspect that the Hillaryis44 website and many of her supposed supporters here are actually Obama supporters. Surely they don't think they're helping Hillary by doing this kind of thing.

to keep the tension up between Obama and Hillary.

Since he is NOT on steroids, that's one nasty false metaphor.

And freudian slips can be expected to happen in the long grind of a campaign. It just isn't enough to condemn a man. It isn't enough for anything.

I really don't feel all that confident about this particular website. Its goal seems to be to knock out the two top contenders. Is it proven to be a Hillary campaign website? Or a Republican disinfo job?

Read the whole article and quit smearing Obama. Are you saying Hillary has NEVER misspoken???

I really had no idea that Dems like you exist out there. I guess there really isn't much differences btwn some Repubs and some 'Dems'


Obama slip: 'She was president'
Obama downplayed the disparity between the events, saying he held a funder in New York just last week.
"If you tally what we've done in New York and what they've done in Chicago, I think we come out pretty well," he said.

All presidential hopefuls are scrambling to raise cash before Saturday, the deadline for money to be reported on reports due in July. A strong showing intimidates rivals and helps bring in more cash.

Ironically, Obama's tongue slipped when he tried to lower expectations.

"I'm sure the Clintons can raise much more money than us," Obama told reporters. "She was president -- or he was president -- for eight years. She was the first lady. They've got a lot of chits out there. We're just trying to make sure that we can raise the paltry sums that allow us to compete."

This is not the biggest by any stretch of the imagination..This is the beginning of a death spiral. It will only get worse from here on in... Tomorrow the debates. Obama will yet make another mistake. Be sure to Watch-

You "progressives" are being watched, hillaryis44.org is keeping an eye on you!

So, H44 is ignoring the Far Left..Good to know. :woohoo:

Oh well I guess its a good thing I'll never vote for her, I guess that makes the ignore two-way.

She had me fooled! :sarcasm:

Note: For some Grade A. Smugness scroll up one post!

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You on the other hand...never took the time to read DU Rules..not surprising.

Self control.

Cheers all.

He's a contender.

Why not highlight what's affirming in his campaign -- and there's a hell of a lot of it -- and leave the smear crap to FOX News?

Senator Obama's cash raised totals are going to make a headline or two. There's a lot of folks who think he's strictly top-drawer. If he's our nominee, he's got my enthusiastic vote.

Truth goes with the territory...People may bitch and moan about metaphors and such, but by and large the truth always surfaces in the end. Politics 101- Obama has fallen into an amateurish trap, the politics of personal destruction. The fact of the matter is Obama is no match for Hillary, he thought he was, everyone told him he could beat Hillary. Unless some miracle turns things around for him, I think he's finished. but that is just mpo...

politics for a long, long time.

I may be hearing it from his next job in the Oval Office. He's one of perhaps half a dozen people with any realistic shot at the White House.

One of 6 or so in a nation of 300 million.

Good fire.

Some people can take the "win at all costs" thing a bit too far.

Good to see you Crusoe!

Let me adjust that flame-retardant suit on you when you get flamed for showing some wisdom and sense....there...

zulchzulu, how the hell are ya? Real nice to see you too.

I hope all's well your way.

We're in for a rollickin' wild few months leading up to that first Iowa caucus vote.

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what else can anyone expect from you?

a one trick pony!

If you're such a support of your candidate, why not take it to the streets and show everyone who you support. I bet you're too scared to admit it in public.

Hide. You're good at that.

:rofl:

You challenge the OP for launching yet another totally rancorous smear against a fellow Democratic candidate and you are the one accused of engaging in ad hominem attacks.

Whatever.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3342504&mesg_id=3342504

;)

Really, Mario. If you are unable to appreciate the difference between these two threads, i can't help you.

Cheers.

I think Obama supporters doth protest too much. We consistently here bitter denunciations of threads that criticize or question Obama yet these concerns are conspicuously absent from the daily stream of anti-HRC threads posted by BO supporters.

Because I do not even understand the horrible thing Obama was supposed to have done.

The Hillshills are worse than anybody was in 2003, hard as that is to believe.

ON EDIT: bold emphasis added below by me.

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From http://www.professorbainbridge.com/2007/06/whois-hillaryis.html --

If you run a Whois search on Hillaryis44.com, you discover that the site was registered by DomainsByProxy.com, which proudly boasts that:

We protect your identity and only reveal it in special situations.

So whoever is running the site apparently doesn't want their identity known. Why?

Interestingly, one of the "special situations" in which DomainsByProxy.com will reveal the true site owner's identity is where the owner uses the site to "defame, embarrass, harm, abuse, threaten, or harass third parties." Scanning HillaryIS44.com, I'd say Noonan is right that the blogger is obsessed Obama. Indeed, the very purpose of the site would seem to be to "abuse" Obama, "embarrass" Obama, and "harm" Obama's presidential chances.

Louis Brandeis famously observed that sunlight is the best disinfectant and electric light the best policeman. Disclosure and transparency ought to be the rule in politics. If Hillary's campaign is behind this website, they shouldn't be able to hide behind a proxy registrant.

Update: To be sure, the website states: "We are not affiliated with the Hillary For President Exploratory Committee, or any official Hillary Clinton organization in any way." Maybe so. Maybe not. Unless there is disclosure, however, we can't know. The anonymity of the site raises a legitimate inference that there is some connection to the campaign.

http://www.professorbainbridge.com/2007/06/whois-hillaryis.html

neither is scoring big points imo

let the pukes be assholes with each other.

to quote john from cincinatti...
"No, I've got my eye on you, pal."

They are both doomed to failure in this thing. They both peaked too early and the public is getting tired of them I think.

yet she voted for war because it was the "safe" vote. To this day, Hillary has yet to admit that the war in Iraq was a war of aggression, a criminal war, a violation of international law. Instead, Hillary has only spoken of how Bush has "mismanaged" the war.

All Hillary has to offer is that she will be a more efficient mass murderer and human rights abuser than Bush.

God help us from such "experience."

never trust a "young republican"..i never liked young republican girls when i was in high school and i do`t like them now...

They were in a unique position to know. I hold them more responsible than the others, because the others were influenced by them. Apart from a few like Bob Graham.

and another reminder of why the Clintons should not be returned to the White House.

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:eyes:

Anyone? Anyone? Buehler?

This site is a sleazy festival of character assasination. The owners need to come clean about who they are and who is bankrolling their efforts. If they don't, the FEC needs to step up and investigate.

She used to have the icon of the "hillary is 44.com" but now its conveniently gone after I called her out about it.

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Perhaps he just meant that no one who hasn't been President before can be absolutely prepared on day one for the job -- that there's a learning curve for everyone -- and there'd be one for him too, even if he didn't explicitly point that out. (Bush's learning curve sloped steeply downward from his day one, and never had any upswing. He's been doing great on learning to be an incompetent emperor, however.)

I haven't really settled on any of the current Democratic candidates yet -- I'm still hoping against hope Gore will jump in. It's enough for me at the moment that I'd happily have any of our Dems for President over any of the Republicans. I'll worry more about getting behind a specific candidate closer to the primaries.

At any rate, that's my long way of saying that without any particular bias towards one candidate or another, this remark of Obama's hardly seems like "going down in flames" material. It's a little less than 100% perfect campaign rhetoric, and could certainly have been a little more thoughtful, but I hardly see cause for fussing much about it.

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:toast:

The part on the HillShill site about Obama being a basketball player is sure interesting as an example of perhaps stereotypical bullshit about blacks being "good at sports" or what the hell ever.

Did he mutter "I's gwonna git dat honky bitch, mang..." as he entered the room.

All I have to do is mention things that Senator Clinton actually said to make her look ridiculous...you have to pull shit out of your ass to make Obama look "bad".

:crazy:

I am getting sicker and sicker with this $hit... Very little substance only attacks on both sides... It seems that professional posters are out to just sling mud. My 2 cents I'm not reading any more from known frequent posters of this type of crap...

As far as who I support.... So far Edwards has the best Health Care plan and a good environmental plan.... and for me the top tier all play to much to the "faith" based voter.

Obama comes in a close second.....

I don't think it makes Hillary look very good although, I'm sure she has nothing to do with it....but the Hill supporter who posted this, ain't doing her any favors.

For several reasons at this point. Senator Clinton has nothing to do with that.

from back in the day? :shrug:

Because if this is what you want, you miss your goal totally.

and immediately corrected himself. I don't what the big deal is. I don't like these kinds of fights among Democrats and I'm suspicious about their origins.

What Obama said was correct as you point out, except for saying she was president...which, ironically is what her supporters want people to believe. They would like you to think it was a co-presidency. No way!