Dear elected Dems: Impeach & Withdraw now or get beat by the Repubs

Dear Elected DC Democrats,

Okay people, its time. The country has caught up with your base. We on the wacky left have long held what are now majority views in the country. Two things. Really simple.

1. Impeach Cheney first and then his lackey, Bush.

2. Order the troops to pack 'em up and move 'em out. Iraq is so 2002.

Now, let's try to get past my congenital flippancy and look at some facts.

The Republicans see the handwriting on the wall. They're 'breaking ranks' at a remarkable rate, particularly given their long, somnambulant sycophancy. They're calling for timelines and exit strategies in Iraq. You guys need to either lead **muscularly** on that one or look like you're wimpily following from the front of the line.

About impeachment. Let's face it, the country's pretty much ready. A majority want Cheney gone by midnight yesterday. The cry for The Monkey in the Man Suit's ass is just under a majority. If that makes you a little queasy, okay. Go for it in increments. Call for investigations. Maybe order it to committee. Hell, just start saying the word in mixed company.

See .... here's the thing. You can, in fact and in deed, impeach for a bad haircut. You really can. You shouldn't. But you could. Here, however, we have real crimes. We have real abuse of power. We have a president - a whole administration, in fact - who are really quite widely *hated*. Yes, *hated*; the American people are not prone to having halfway emotions.

And if you guys don't lead the way on this one, you will again be seen as morally inferior to the very people who enabled this shit. The Rubber Stamp Drill Team and Marching Band needs to get some VERY serious distance betwixt themselves and Bubble Boy. They did it with Nixon and got the credit. They'll do it this time, for sure. It is no longer supporting the Bush Boy. It is now ALL about their own reelections. Each one a separate race. They're scared shitless. And they WILL do whatever it takes to look tough and look independent from their now-well-hidden Rove Umbilicus.

The latest and greatest indicator is the thing shown on Countdown last night. Rove getting laughed **at** ..... not 'with'. ****AT****

I'm tellin' ya, people. Now's the time.

You can do it.

Impeach

Withdraw

Do that and you win the whole magilla.

You're friend and supporter,
Stinky

I totally agree.

Yeah, baby!

TC
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3367126

but if we can impeach a man for having a little something, something on the side. We sure as hell can impeach these two idiots.

Impeachment is a duty. The dems must step up to the plate and bring impeachment charges against these criminals. If they don't they are saying that what the repubs have done over the last 6 years is okay. History will record that the dems stood by and did nothing while the treasury was looted and the country raped.

It does not matter whether they have the votes to convict. Let the repubs go on record as saying what the bush administration has done is okay. Let the repubs bear the burden of history.

If the dems do nothing history will be harsher on the dems for doing nothing then on the repubs for getting away with it.

Come on people, wake up, we must demand impeachment now...

With the plethora of blatant illegalities we've witnessed and the relentless assault to the very same Constitution they took an oath to protect and defend, I really feel they should be charged with treason and a groundswell of We, the people of America could demand mulitple resignations equally as relentlessly ASAP.

So sick of this stasis and talk of setting the table. This is not a frigging dinner party.

I say it's long past time to break out the pitchforks.

disclaimer: I think I somehow unwittingly ended up drinking some of philosoraptor's coffee again this morning.

But that's truly how I feel.

If Nixon was forced into resignation for a cover up for a third rate burglary, why the heck can't we demand the same for looting the treasury, trashing our reputation, warrantless surveillance, breaking all sorts of international laws, all the carnage left in their wake, and everything else they've done ?

Man oh man, if I went with my gut alone, I'd be right there with you, atop the steeple of the Old North Church, swinging lanterns and yelling "IMPEACH NOW" to all in shouting distance.

Yeah, it is LONG past time for people like you and me and many others. but we're really 'the base' I refer to in the OP. That doesn't make us less right or premature. Just prescient.

having an argument over impeahment versus forced multiple resignations. LOL

Hope you didn't miss this one. . .

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I agree that not only are we "the base" but we are also the majority. The polls which are probably skewed reflect the majority favor the impeachment of "hogwash" (the VP) and an end to the war.

Now. . .about those voting machines. . .

Whether or not impeachment happens, and whether or not withdrawal "immediately" on on some timetable (but some withdrawal is inevitable before the election imo), the only way Democrats take a beating in November is if Democrats stay home. And if you are a Democrat thinking about staying home because impeachment never happened or because the withdrawal didn't happen immediately (or as fast as you'd like), ask yourself whether, after all is said and done, would you rather have any of the repub candidates in the WH instead of any of the Democrats and would you rather have Dennis Hastert as Speaker and Lamar Smith as Judiciary CHairman instead of Pelosi and Conyers. Would you rather have Orrin Hatch as Sen. Judiciary Chairman instead of Pat Leahy.

I think that when people ask themselves those questions, they will realize that the best way to push the party is to consolidate and strengthen the party's hold on the House and Senate and build from there, rather than retreat back to a position in the minority.

You know, instead of the Right-triangualted DLC-ers, "moderates" and others they have running now.

Here's who I'm supporting, in the meantime:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3367126&mesg_id=3367126

She's got it ALL going on!

TC

First of all, pride goeth before the fall.
I'm always amazed at the arrogance of confidence in the political arena. Anything could happen any day that could change everything.

I am a democrat. I will stay home on election day if the dems do not bring impeachment.

It will not be my fault if democrats lose. It will be their fault for not doing the job they were elected to do.

Impeachment is a duty. When the repub criminals are raping the country and looting the treasury and the dems stand by and do nothing, why would I vote to re-elect them?
In my humble opinion, that would be an immoral act.

I know your response...if I don't vote I am allowing the repubs to get back power. Well, if the dems are not going to do their jobs, then we have already lost.

History will record, not the excesses of the republicans during this era, but the failure of the democrats to do anything, to take a stand, to say to the world, "THIS IS NOT RIGHT"

Impeachment must be brought whether or not there are enough votes to convict. Let the repubs go on record as saying that what bush and cheney are doing is okay. Don't let history record that the democrats fiddled while "Rome" burned.

" ........ not doing the job they were elected to do."

I don't recall many (any??) Dem running in 04 on an impeachment platform.

The Constitution gives the authority to bring impeachment to the House.
Dems were elected to do their jobs, it doesn't matter whether or not it was a campaign issue.
When Pelosi took impeachment off the table, she abdicated her authority.
She deserves neither the respect or support of the democrats who believe what the repubs are doing is wrong.

The elections -- remember them, they were just eight months ago -- were about many things. One thing that they weren't about -- impeachment. Maybe we get there as investigations continue and as chimpy pursues a self-destructive course (a la Nixon) that ultimately could (should) alienate members of both parties. But if it doesn't happen, it doesn't happen. Chimpy is still gone in 2008 and the best way to repudiate his policies, imo, is not impeachment, is the election of a Democratic president, much larger Democratic majorities in the House and Senate, and more Democratic-leaning state executives and legislators.

This has nothing to do with elections...

You know, that's the problem with democrats, they can't see beyond the next election...

How much criminal activity do you need? How many investigations are enough? How much time is going to be wasted waiting for more grievous criminal behavior?

The crimes they are clear.

If repubs can impeach a president because of a blow job, certainly the dems can impeach when the repubs rape the country and loot the treasury, take the country to war under false pretenses, lie under oath, and the myriad of crimes committed against the people of America.

We don't need more investigations. We need action. But we're not going to see if from any of the current batch of elected dems other than maybe Kucinich.

So, as for me, I will stay home on election day. It will not be my fault if the dems lose. It will be theirs for not doing their duty.

simply because the Democrats won't bring an impeachment proceeding that, at least at the moment, has no chance of success and lacks even the modicum of bi-partisan support that characterized the commencement of the Clinton impeachment effort or the overwhelming bi-partisan support that characterized the start of the Nixon impeachment process.

If you want to cut off your nose to spite your face, no one can stop you.

I can certainly see a difference between repubs and dems.
Dems refuse to lead. Dems will stand by and do nothing while the repubs rape the country and loot the treasury. So if the dems are not going to do anything, then why do you feel they should get my support?

Would you support police who do not enforce the law?
Would you support a judge who refuses to have a trial?
But you'll support dems who refuse to do their duty.

It doesn't matter one whit whether nor not it has any chance of success. Impeachment must be brought as a matter of principle. Charges must be brought so that history will record that at least the dems tried to do something.

As it is now, the dems are saying that everything is okay, the criminals can go free to rape and pillage again.

I am among the more hawkish impeachment hawks. I have been screaming for it for a long time. I want it to happen yesterday.

But the fact is, NO ONE was 'elected to bring impeachment' and no one promised to do it. NO ONE.

Do we have a moral imperative to do it? I think we do. I think we will be the ones more harshly judged by history were we NOT to do it. I think we owe it to our nation, our Constitution, and indeed, to the rest of the world.

But NO ONE promised to do it in the last election.

might think there isn't ENOUGH difference? And, how 2008 might be the year to send our Party that message?

Just a thought!

TC

Confused...are you saying by not voting a message is being sent?

The message is that I will no longer hold my nose and vote AGAINST the Republican. I cannot support a DLC candidate, and mostly that's what we have running right now. Should one of them, or any Right-leaning Democrat, whom I cannot support whole-heartedly be nominated, I won't vote.

For the first time ever in my many decades of life (never missed an election -- even a municipal one), I will not vote if this Party does not give me someone to vote FOR, and cynically rely on my voting AGAINT the Republican.

It's only my way of dealing with it. I have written letters, made phone calls, and voted the lesser evil until I'm blue (no pun) in the face. No one in the DNC gives a flying rat's ass about what I think. So, they can do without my vote. That simple.

TC

Just seems to me that stepping out of the process sends the message you don't care...which clearly is not the case. :shrug:

they do not care about me? That what I think and feel no longer matters? Seems logical.

I have been worn down to a nub.

TC

Believe me, I feel your pain (lol). Sometimes we all need to take a breather and regroup/rejuvenate.

I've been living in a virtual sea of red since I can remember. Only in the last four years am I for the first time SEEING a ROE (Return of Efforts). It's frustrating, infuriating, maddening, and worst of all it's exhausting. But, I have to say, once the ball starts rolling it begins to pick up steam.

Hang in there. :grouphug:

That is so very decent of you.

Same here... hang in there. That "red sea" could be turning purple, even as we speak. :hug:

TC

Americans hate do-nothings.
Americans hate timidity and cowardice.

Without impeachment, dems may possibly win in 2008, but they will never gain respect. They will be the party that said it was okay for the bush administration to commit their crimes and rape the country.

Impeachment is the single most important political idea in this entire world at this point in time. Nothing is more important to America then the dems telling the world that what the repubs are doing is not right.

I know there are other matters of importance, but if the dems stand by and do nothing (hearing after hearing after hearing is basically doing nothing), they will be the losers of history.

There is enough evidence to bring impeachment charges. Let the repubs say it's okay, but for the dems to have my support and my vote, they must impeach.

impeachment. Not.

Future generations will question what in gods name were those Democrats thinking that sat home and let the repubs retake Congress and keep their control over the WH. That's what they'd think.

The dems are in the right on this question at this time.
The repubs don't have the respect because everybody knew it was wrong and that a blow job was not a high crime.

:thumbsup:

Over the past weekend, I wrote all 23 Democrats on the Judiciary Committee telling them to IMPEACH. I used snail mail...harder to delete. I used beautiful cards (cheaply purchased at TJ Maxx's using recycled paper) and some stickers on the outside envelopes so to get some attention.

My handwritten note was professional and to the point...I mentioned the fact that if the Dems were not careful, a 3rd party candidate like Bloomberg could keep us out of the WH in '09. I asked them to do their duty and to uphold the oath they took to defend our Constitution.

We need to deluge these 23 Democrats plus Pelosi with tons and tons of letters, cards, postcards, etc.

I want to find a card with a picture of a TABLE on it....and guess what I am going to put on that TABLE?????

Thanks for doing something.
Too many people complain but do nothing.

good therapy...it reduced my frustration, anger, and depression. I suffer from what I call, 'The Bushitis Syndrome' whose symptoms display a constant cycling between the emotions of Despair and Anger....

When I get home from work, maybe I'll start a Post urging others to write the Judiciary members....and I'll include the 23 snail mail addresses...which will make it very easy. And get the kids involved (if you got 'em) and have them put eye-catching stickers on the envelope. And it teaches the kiddies to voice their concerns to those in government who supposedly represent us.

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