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funky_bug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 12:20 PM
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Alex Pollier - this will go away, if we will recognize hypocrisy in action
Edited on Sun Feb-15-04 12:32 PM by Wife_of_a_Wes_Freak
Here are the facts:

Matt Fudge said it's true.

Alex Pollier refuses to comment.

Kerry didn't categorically deny it on Imus.

Any yet, the sentiment is that if he's not denying it, and she's not denying it, then it must be true. Can someone PLEASE tell me how you can prove a negative?

So there is no proof that he didn't do it, therefor he must be guilty? Guilty until proven innocent? Hello? I thought we were against the Patriot Act? Did I miss something, or is this hypocrisy in action???

Notes on Edit: Apparantly my writing skills suck, so I'll spell this out - I don't care if Kerry did or didn't (for the record, I don't think he did.) My point is, there is no proof that he did, yet people are assuming he did, and it's his downfall.

Guilty until proven innocent is the stuff Patriot does, not democrats.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 12:26 PM
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1. Kerry denied - what is "categorically deny"?
After Imus his statement had more "no"'s, but one was enough for me.
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funky_bug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 12:29 PM
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3. I was being gracious to those who don't understand that NO means No
The sentiment is that because Kerry said, "There is no story" that he was parsing words. Apparantly they wanted "I did not have sexual relations with that woman."
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 12:52 PM
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10. The Imus & Madison Wis. variation are below - seem to again say "no"
Kerry told an MSNBC radio station Friday: "There is nothing to report, nothing to talk about. There's nothing there. There's no story."

Later, on the campaign trail in Madison, Wis., Kerry told reporters: "I just deny it categorically. It's rumour. It's untrue. Period."

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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 12:30 PM
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4. Who Cares.
If it were true...so what? That issue would have to lay in the santicty of his marriage not yours.
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 12:28 PM
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2. Quit worrying about this "scandal"
This "scandal" is a piece of meat thrown to the fundies.

The masses are already conditioned to believe that the Dems like sex.

Bush is being attacked on the macho issue and that is a really serious problem for him because he intended to run on being a strong leader. If the public thinks he is a phony, he loses big time.
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Birthmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 12:37 PM
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5. Proof?!
I haven't even seen any credible evidence that this story has a basis in fact. It ultimately may well be true, but there is no reason to believe it right now with a total lack of evidence. Those that are treating it as true are acting emotionally and unfairly.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 12:39 PM
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6. In the bedroom fetish and presumption of guilt
are two things the Republicans are all about.
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funky_bug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 12:44 PM
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7. I wish the Republicans would follow their hearts
If they are so "anti-sex", then maybe they could stop having it, and wipe out the "race" of conservative bigots.
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 01:13 PM
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13. Republicans have sex?
I thought they raided hyena litters to replenish their stock.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 01:14 PM
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14. Arnold Schwarzeneger is a poster boy for GOP hypocrisy.
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Lefta Dissenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 12:45 PM
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8. I can't comment on the proof
or lack thereof, but I can say that I remember calling my dad 12 years ago, and saying, "Dammit, Clinton's DONE" because of the Gennifer Flowers story. I thought that there was NO way a candidate could overcome that.

Now I understand that everything has changed because of the MonicaMess, but I look back on my discouragement at that time and realize that SO much can change in the months of a campaign. I'm going to hope that this all gets out of the way now, so we can focus on CONSTANTLY putting bush's record out for all to see - so he'll be out on his ass next January.
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diplomats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 12:46 PM
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9. Kerry did categorically deny it, after the Imus interview,
when reporters asked him about it in Wisconsin. He denial was unambiguous.
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WiseMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 12:53 PM
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11. Can We Stop Probing into Peoples Personal lives. That is a RW practice
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lovedems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 01:02 PM
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12. They do that to take the heat off of themselves.
If they can focus on what goes on in the democrats bedrooms, nobody will pay attention to what is going on in theirs. Look at Newt and Guilliani, two adulterers. I am sure there are more, but as long as they stay focused on the dems bedrooms, voila! They think they are off the hook.

That is why they always try to frame the debate and get the candidate on the defensive and as long as they are asking the questions, they don't have to answer their own. I wish that would change because the rethugs have alot to answer to.
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boxster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 01:21 PM
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15. Kerry's the front-runner, and looking stronger just about every day....
That makes anything anti-Kerry appealing to those who oppose him, even if the source is Drudge and even if there is nothing distantly related to proof involved.

The number of people on DU demanding that he drop out was unbelievable. Clinton's ratings went up post-Monica because the public's perception was that he was being persecuted. It's possible that this "story" will do the same for Kerry, and people will back him even more.
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dd123 Donating Member (226 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 01:29 PM
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16. It's not going to go away.
From what I gather, the stories are going to generate out of the foreign papers, because the US papers are hesitant to print this stuff.

This thread was rather fascinating:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=332788

I understand that the media in the UK is reporting more 20 something year old women talking. We have already seen that the 1st Kerry stories came out with much more detail in Europe and Australia than what was reported here. Expect to see more of the same.



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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 01:48 PM
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17. "I just deny it categorically. It's rumor. It's untrue. Period"
<snip>

Asked about the report by Internet Web site operator Matt Drudge, Kerry told reporters on his campaign: "I just deny it categorically. It's rumor. It's untrue. Period."

<snip>

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040213/pl_nm/campaign_kerry_denial_dc_1
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dd123 Donating Member (226 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 01:57 PM
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18. Did you believe this denial too?
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/politics/7914584.htm

Two plastic surgeons studied the pictures at the request of the New York Daily News and concluded that Kerry had, indeed, subjected himself to Botox.

Kerry scoffed at the notion. "Never heard of it," he said, even though his wife, Teresa Heinz Kerry, admits to getting the shots now and then.
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funky_bug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 02:07 PM
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19. Again, Drudge started it
When are the DEMS going to stop doing the GOP's work for them?
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boxster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 02:17 PM
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20. And what does that have to do with this thread?
Botox is not a campaign issue.
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