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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 05:33 PM
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Can anyone find a Bible verse where Jesus
says anything about forgiving hypocrites?

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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 05:35 PM
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1. Offhand, I can't recall any
It seems that was the one sin he was never prepared to tolerate, although he stopped short of sending them all to hell.
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 05:39 PM
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4. Thats my understanding as well.
He cut them no slack.
He singled them out as particularly worthy of scorn.
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 05:35 PM
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2. oh i thought it was the one where jesus tells george bush_______
fill in the blank for fun.

like mad libs.
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MnFats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 05:37 PM
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3. Well, he did let Peter off the hook after Peter denied he knew him.
as Jesus had predicted.
crowd: We saw you with that Jesus guy!
Peter: No. I never knew him!

Jesus: Peter, you are the rock upon which I will build my church.

not a bad comeback for Peter.

I think if we had a lynch mob chasing us, most would try lying our way out of it...

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Alamom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 05:43 PM
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5. These 3 are considered to be regarding hypocrisy....
Edited on Fri Jul-13-07 05:52 PM by Alamom
“Let him who is "without sin" cast the first stone”

(This is "without fault" or "without blame" in some versions)


*"Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and the measure you give will be the measure you get.


“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which do indeed appear beautiful outwardly, but inside are full of dead men’s bones and all uncleanliness.”



Source: Bible Dictionary

Edit to add: The first one is suppose to be the Big One....on forgiveness for doing it,

No one cast a stone that day.
:shrug:


*My personal favorite.....

Also, "Judge not lest ye be judged." From my grandmothers (very old) Bible.





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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 05:47 PM
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6. He doesn't seem to be very forgiving of hypocrites

"Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: ‘This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me.’"
Mark 7: 6

"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you devour widows’ houses, and for a pretense, make long prayers. Therefore you will receive greater condemnation."
"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel land and sea to win one proselyte, and when he is won, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves."
Matthew 23: 14-15

"Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravening wolves."
Matthew 7: 15

"And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward."
Matthew 6: 5
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Alamom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 05:53 PM
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8. I don't think so and I know there are many verses regarding this subject. nt
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 06:31 PM
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13. There are more biting ones
Matthew's Gospel after all is dealing with the Church's battle with the regrouping of Judaism around Pharasaism, build a "fence around the Torah" that- like today's Gaza wall- excluded Christians even more than the Minim formal excommunication. Matthew's audience were Mideastern Christians, many Jewish, for whom the issue was deep and big and personal.

Where you really see the sparks fly in the Gospels is when Jesus is not necessarily just talking to Pharisees, but to people sent out to get him and trip him up. That was their secret purpose. In debates where he owned these infiltrators you find the more emotional hard edge of the issue. The "unforgivable sin" is saying good is evil and evil good. When faced with the truth and the claim that his adversaries "see" or reason just as well as anyone he puts down their lies then says "because you say you see, your sin remains." He also opposed popular notions right to the angry crowd's faces mincing no words and directly challenging. Real actions are your judge, not any words, not even by would be or actual followers. You secret motives and intents and desires are where the real actions proceed from. The challenge "the one without sin must cast the first stone" cuts directly to that and points out the shiftiness of even the boldest pretension. That meting out godlike absolute punishment has no merit when based on fundamental, logic edited, rage enhanced hypocrisy.

In actual confrontation with trolls and idiotic self-righteous judgment he met it with the true absolutes of reality, God and reason. For this he got chased out of towns, stoned, escaping mob execution, and plotted more furiously against and he took the confrontation straight to the center while he still had a chance to get there before being outlawed or killed.

Hypocrites normally don't or can't want forgiveness. Even under drugs and torture this poisoned will and abuse of mind and soul is pretty fixed, but Saul of Tarsus was pretty close to being that far gone, participating in the death of a heretic like Stephen, but just holding the coats. He knew he was no law keeper himself and his search for an absolute was only damning him down the path of a law he himself could not keep ion any way to justify the energetic persecution of others. He was on his way to arrest more "threats" to Judaism when he was forced to see what he was doing and received a totally opposite absolute. Now reformed characters tend to have the parameters of their former selves so some unsavory traits continue(judgmentalism, harshness to others, rationalizations, flights of zeal).

Nothing is impossible but it is easier for a rich man to enter the kingdom than a bloody handed hypocrite. One has to give up possessing things, the other has to give up or reverse an inner mindset. Both are rare enough to be considered exceptional or "heroic".
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 05:48 PM
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7. Didn't he say hypocrites were like "whited sepulchers"
or something like that, "vipers"?
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 05:54 PM
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9. yep
Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, for ye are like whited sepulchres, which appear beautiful outwardly, but within are full of dead men's bones and all uncleanness.

Not seeing much forgiveness or tolerance on his part for hypocrites.
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Alamom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 05:54 PM
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10. My version calls them whitewashed tombs (with some filthy crap inside) nt
Edited on Fri Jul-13-07 05:55 PM by Alamom


edgr





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pioneer111 Donating Member (113 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 05:57 PM
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11. There are many Bible verses about forgiveness
Luke 17:
1. Jesus said to his disciples: "Things that cause people to sin are bound to come, but woe to that person through whom they come.
2. It would be better for him to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around his neck than for him to cause one of these little ones to sin."
3. So watch yourselves. "If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him.
4. If he sins against you seven times in a day, and seven times comes back to you and says, 'I repent,' forgive him."

Also one of the most famous about sin and condemning - John: 8v7 "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her."

There are many verses on forgiveness, but not many on specific sins to forgive.

Interpretation and context is important in using Bible quotes meaningfully.
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 05:57 PM
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12. "Do unto others as you would have done unto you."
????

TC
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-13-07 06:40 PM
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14. Matthew 18 : 22 490X's at a minimum
Edited on Fri Jul-13-07 06:42 PM by EVDebs
http://www.biblestudents.com/htdbv5/htdb0040.htm#Matt18:15

Maybe * will come to his senses also and realize the mess he has made. Let us pray.
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