Execu -F**KING-privilege in the Tillman case?! Here is why.

Because if the bush criminals don’t claim executive privilege EVERYONE (including the 26 percenters) will see the documentation that bush KNEW HOW Tillman died…… and than everyone will see how he went on tv LYING about it to manipulate the American public!!! It will be irrefutable. Un-spinable.

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The Tillman family has charged that the military and the Bush administration deliberately deceived his relatives and the nation to avoid turning public opinion against the war.
Tillman's mother, Mary, said Saturday the newly disclosed document demonstrates Bush was complicit in deceiving her family.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=2996532

What the cabal is doing here is extending executive privilege to the entire DoD. That is a stunning extension. It would put all military operations outside of congressional oversight.

Jessica Lynch, Tillman, everything they do is a lie. The MSM lets most of what they do go under the radar.

By putting the cover of executive privilege over the entire DoD they are doing an end run around any possible effort by this congress to look into that long list of questionable events, many of them quite possibly treasonous, that have happened since some large buildings fell down.

I'm not minimizing the hideous botched Tillman incident, it indeed is a scandal, but there is more going on here. The cabal is not just claiming EP over the Tillman case, it has claimed this over each and every attempt by congress to gain access to any and all executive records and personnel. As I said, what is stunning here is how broad and far they appear to be trying to extend this.

If in fact they are able to sustain this effort for the Tillman case then they will have abolished any ability of Congress to investigate executive branch operations.

the public gets it, to what extent these people are not incompetent they are corrupt and ape shiite crazy ... They just don't care enough, cause their standard of living is too high, their lives too interupted by the many distrations the world presents today, from 300 channels on the TV to bars and restraunts to vacation resorts to off road vehicles ...

Fact is, as this point, there is TOO much evidence at hand ... I knew ALL along, cause I simply have common sense, that this crew knew what happened with Tillman, but I pay attention and care ... There simply is TOO much going on with these guys now, Plame, the federal attornies probe ... All of it ...

And, as others noted, it is only 50/50 whether the media decides to even make it an issue ...

You can bet yer sweet bippy!

with it all to figure out what exactly they are hiding . . . because, in fact, so much embarrassing stuff has already come out about it!!!!

What more could their be??????????????

It may just be because they are really ashamed of the specifics here. All I am saying is that this expansion would allow them to block Congressional oversight from any and all executive branch activities.

This is a battle for ultimate power - the Supreme Unitary Executive. They'll be forcing it more and more, trying to set new limits. It's almost all they've got left. Between declaring martial law or admitting their crimes and resigning, they're putting all their eggs in the Executive Privilege basket. They will make the Supreme Court decide if it's legit or not, which normally would be a no brain-er, except for the new crew they've installed...

BUT, I think that other events will eventually interrupt their master plans.

MKJ

.....White House spokesman Blain Rethmeier said Friday that a review of records turned up no indication that the president had received McChrystal's warning. Rethmeier emphasized that the president often pays tribute to fallen soldiers without mentioning the exact circumstances of their deaths.

The Tillman family has charged that the military and the Bus

can tell it like it is.

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www.msongs.com/political-shirts.htm

cravenly USED his dead corpse in that overblown pageant of a eremony to drum up support for the war.

That's what happened in a nutshell. The trick is PROVING it. And likely, it's egregious. It's not just a question of MAYBE it was friendly fire, he probably knew full well. And they went ahead with their charade anyway.

I can't imagine how people working in that WH must feel. There was never any shit so ugly that I can recall in any other administration, save perhaps Nixon. Hell, even Reagan didn't go this far. Even though he did some shirty things, he at least had a certain point where decency wouldn't let him cross--I really don't think Reagan would have done anything like this, and I always found Reagan to be an incredible bullshitter who set my teeth on edge.

I can't imagine anyone working there, in the BushCo White House, what they must think if they have half a conscience. How can one ever feel...CLEAN?

Cpl. Pat Tillman is seen in a this 2003 file photo provided by Photography Plus. Just seven days after Pat Tillman's death, a top general warned there were strong indications that it was friendly fire and President Bush might embarrass himself if he said the NFL star-turned-soldier died in an ambush, according to a memo obtained by The Associated Press. (AP Photo/Photography Plus via Williamson Stealth Media Solutions, FILE)

presuming, that is, there remain a few Repukes with moral conscience.

This just doesn't make any sense otherwise. Tillman may have represented a major long term political threat, due to his obviously left wing politics, coupled with his obvious and irreproachable heroism and patriotism. He might have decided to run for office sometime in the future, and nobody could have painted him as a wimp or a coward or anti-American.

Anyway, that's just my own paranoid tinfoil raving.:tinfoilhat:

Come on, The truth is probably Bush jumped on this story to quickly...touting the hero...Then found out the real story and tried to cover his tail. All in all Bush is a dirt ball. Especially when you consider he DODGED his chance to serve, but rode on Tillmans coat tails and used his death for political gain. Bush looks like a scum bag on this one.

But without any facts to go on, shielded by "executive privilege," which now extends to any military action anywhere (how long before the entire federal budget goes "black" at this rate?) according to the Bushistas, "laughable" theories can come out of the woodwork. And I remember such "laughable" stuff as invading a country that couldn't harm us as "self defense." Or that the invasion would pay for itself. Or that it was the traitors among us who said "no blood for oil," and thought this whole magilla was nothing but a grab for more petroleum.

Yup, laughable. Except, of course, for all those bodies hitting the ground and all that money squandered, I'd join you in a good laugh. Lord knows I need one.

I don't believe it!!! Just prior I was posting on what more embarrassment could there be to hide . . .and then suddenly your comments as I was thinking the same thing.

Weird --

How big a need for a "hero" . . . ????

But he was certainly the someone with the kind of celebrity from which a great "hero" would be made -- right?

What's one more GI when you've already murdered close to 4000?

Add this to the growing list of high crimes the Dictator in Chief for which he should be incarcerated for the rest of his puny life.

against the war in very significant numbers from the beginning (Feb. '03--56% opposed to the invasion. That would be a landslide in a presidential election.) (--and believe me, it was!) (--also, that number had to have included some people who believed the crap about Saddam and WMDs, but obviously made a considered judgment that it was not a big threat, not worth a war.)

A serviceman dying by friendly fire would not turn opinion on a war, either way. Everybody knows accidents happen, especially in war. They could have told the truth, and it would have had no impact on opinion. What they were trying to do with the Tillman and other lies is deeper and more complex. They were trolling the military incident sheet for events that could be trumpeted as heroics, whether they were true or not, in order to fill in a pre-written news narrative that would be parroted by all the war profiteering corporate news monopolies, but this narrative never had anything to do with the truth, nor with an effort to convince the American people that their heinous, illegal, unjust, corporate resource war was virtuous. They knew, from the beginning, that the American people were against it, that the American people had learned the lessons of Vietnam, and that the great majority of Americans are peace-minded and quite progressive in their views, and they knew that sentiment against their terrible war would only grow bigger--which it has done--from an already quite significant majority of 56% to an overwhelming majority of over 70%.

The narrative that they were writing, and are still writing, is a propaganda tool for DEMORALIZING and DISEMPOWERING the great progressive American majority, not for convincing us. They know they can't convince us of the rightness of this war. Its early versions were a narrative to convince us that OTHER Americans had gone nuts, and were goose-stepping to Bush. But that didn't last long, because it was absolutely untrue, and everybody could eventually see that it was. The later narrative, and the current narrative, are similarly a propaganda tool, intended, in these latter versions, to accompany stolen elections, in order to convince us that WE HAVE NO POWER to oppose or stop them.

Bear in mind that the "Help America Vote for Bush Act"--aka, HAVA, the fast-tracking of electronic voting systems run on 'trade secret,' proprietary programming code, owned and controlled by rightwing Bushite corporations, all over the country--occurred in the same month as the Iraq War Resolution, October 2002, and is closely related to it. On the one hand, they had a war that they wanted to perpetrate that they knew the American people would never support, and, on the other hand, they gained the means to shove it down our throats, via highly insecure and insider riggable voting systems, controlled by their close buds at Diebold and ES&S.

I think it's important to analyze these things carefully, for strategic reasons, because I think that a very highly sophisticated game is being played on us, and that our own party leadership is guilty of direct complicity in some cases, and of playing along, or being afraid, in others. What the puppetmasters behind the Bush Junta are up to is not simple. For one thing, it involves using the powers of the presidency to destroy the federal government as an entity capable of regulating global corporate predators and war profiteers. This is NOT a simple Nazification scenario. They have some very tricky problems controlling this vast country and its highly culturally diverse people. We are neither as poor nor as gullible as the Germans of the 1930s were. So the primary thrust in everything they do is DEMORALIZING us, making us feel powerless--also "dividing and conquering" us and impoverishing us.

One other thing. They lie reflexively. Every word that has come out of the mouths of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Gonzales, et al, has been a lie. They lie for breakfast, lunch and dinner, and then they go home at night and lie in their sleep. They are in an utterly false position, with no legitimate power at any time. And they are like corporate P.R. shills gone mad. Truth simply does not exist, for them. Whatever comes into their heads to say, in support of their goals of massive theft, control of the last oil reserves, and no accountability, is, to them, the truth. There is no objective truth. They don't know what a lie IS--and, if any of them do, they don't care. They are primitives. They are without conscience. So, the truth was never at issue for them, when they made up the story about Tillman. It was a blank space in the pre-written scenario that needed to be filled in. It satisfied certain criteria of the narrative, so they invented the story they needed and cherry-picked the facts to make it sound plausible (--very similar to what they did re: WMDs in Iraq).

This is different from being "caught in a lie." All governments and all politicians lie, from time to time. This is something far worse--it is a wall of falsehood. The wall may have holes in it--or get holes punched into it. That really doesn't matter to them. I repeat: The goal is to DEMORALIZE us, not to convince us. Wanting to convince someone indicates some respect for their intelligence and their right to have an opinion. The Bush Junta has NO RESPECT for We, the People of the United States, and they DO NOT RECOGNIZE our right to an opinion.

So it is not exactly accurate to say that the Bush Junta invented the story about Tillman "to avoid turning public opinion against the war." They don't give a fuck for public opinion. Is that not obvious by now? But since this is ABC News, we cannot trust their formulation of the Tillman's statement. And I am not going to waste my time--or give ABC News the satisfaction of a visitor to their lying scumbag web site--to find out if they were accurately quoted. It's not their fault anyway, that they may have misconstrued the Bush Junta's intent in lying about their son. But we all should be aware of it--for strategic reasons, to be able to fight this Junta effectively and topple it--and just for our own sanity's sake. It's not good to go around in a rage all the time, yelling, "Do they think I'm THAT stupid?!" The insult against you is deliberate, and it's meant to exhaust you, and to make you feel small and alone, even though the truth is that you are far from alone. 70% of the American people are with you, and they, too, feel powerless.

By KEVIN ZEESE

Sam Gardiner has taught strategy and military operations at the National War College, Air War College and Naval War College. He was recently a visiting scholar at the Swedish Defence College. During Gulf II he was a regular on the NewsHour with Jim Lehrer as well as on BBC radio and television, and National Public Radio. He authored “The Enemy is Us” an article describing how the Bush Administration used disinformation and psychological warfare – weapons usually used against the 'enemy' – against the American public in order to support the war in Iraq. He has done an extensive analysis of the media coverage before the war, during the war and during the occupation as well as of the statements of Administration officials. His conclusions are startling and of great concern. He has put his findings in a report entitled: “Truth from These Podia.”

http://www.counterpunch.org/zeese06222005.html

Truth from These Podia
Summary of a Study of Strategic Influence, Perception Management,
Strategic Information Warfare and Strategic Psychological Operations
in Gulf II
Sam Gardiner
Colonel, USAF (Retired)

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB177/Info%20Operations%20Roadmap%20Truth%20from%20These%20Podia.pdf

Tillman was fighting in Afghanistan, NOT Iraq. Rightly or wrongly, there has never been any significant questioning of that war. It has been supported overwhelmingly both in this country and internationally. Any questioning of that war will be because it has been handled so incredibly ineptly that we are in fact actually losing it. We were nowhere near that point in April of '04 when Tillman died.

and I was certainly anti an attack on Afghanistan --

Why in the hell are we still occupying that nation?

And, the majority of the 19 "hijackers" were Saudis -- !!!!

In fact, the primary "hijacker" seems to have been Cheney - -!!!!!

And the right wing keeps lying about that.

they value the truth over myth.

They believe that the Court, as constituted, will support their incredibly broad definition of "Executive Privilege"... and they may be right.

congress isn't what they had prior to the 2006 election, because they have the SCOTUS finally they need to check off all that they want to do....

I feel sick....

VERY well played on the machines part ... Whip the mindless religious zeolots into a frenzy over abortion and the life or death battle to get "strict constructivist" judges on the court ... Let the MSM carry the water of saying it was about abortion, but ALL along it has been about corporatism and the unitary presidency ...

VERY WELL PLAYED ...

tennis when the GOP is there to do Boxing match. And meanwhile, unbeknownst to the majority of people and even though watching closely, they have been carefully playing a well thought out chess match as well.

Very well played indeed.....sadly though, to all our detriment and your spot on about it being for corporatism and the unitary presidency.

There has been NO mention of it all weekend on any news outlet. It is outrageous! Anyone else see anything on this??? (other than here?)