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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 07:08 PM
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Obama beating DLC's HRC on Wall Street? Both do well on Wall Street for 2nd straight quarter
First, why are Democrats beating Republicans with strong business ties like Mitt Romney on Wall Street? What is it about Clobama that Wall Street is attracted to? Why is Obama, who is allegedly the anti-HRC and anti-DLC, beating the DLC's most prominent member on Wall Street?

Context: Last quarter Obama was Wall Street's favorite while HRC was third behind Obama and Giuliani. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/17/AR2007041701688.html

==With $32.8 million in campaign contributions last quarter, Barack Obama, the Illinois senator and Democratic presidential candidate, easily surpassed his rivals in both parties. And it seems Wall Street money had something to do with it.

Employees of three big investment banks and one major hedge fund were among the leading sources of cash for Mr. Obama, according to data filed Sunday with the Federal Elections Commission. His contributors during the three-month period ended June 30 included Richard S. Fuld Jr., the chief executive of Lehman Brothers, and Kenneth C. Griffin, president of the Citadel Investment Group.

Citadel, a hedge-fund firm based in Chicago, was a wellspring of cash for Mr. Obama. In addition to the $4,600 he collected from Mr. Griffin — the maximum donation allowed from an individual — other Citadel employees donated a combined $147,550 to Mr. Obama’s campaign, according to the Associated Press.==

==Compare that with Mr. Obama’s Democratic rival, Senator Hillary Clinton of New York, who raised $27 million in the quarter. She also got donations from employees of investment banks, but not nearly as much as Mr. Obama. She received $47,850 from employees of Morgan Stanley and $44,150 from Merrill Lynch employees, for example.==

http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/07/16/obama-donations-show-strong-wall-st-support/
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 07:09 PM
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1. Why is Obama outraising Populist Hero John Edwards
amongst small donors?

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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 07:13 PM
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3. Good question. How about posting another thread on it instead of diverting this thread?
Edited on Tue Jul-17-07 07:14 PM by draft_mario_cuomo
So what is your opinion on why Obama is beating the DLC's HRC, and Republicans like New York's Ghouliani and Romney, who has extensive business ties, on Wall Street? Thanks in advance. I look forward to hearing your theory on this.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 07:30 PM
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4. It's not a diversion. The topic is Barack Obama's tremendous
appeal to donors from all walks of life and abilities to pay.
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 07:51 PM
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5. That is a nice way of spinning Wall Street support
So you are saying Wall Street backs a candidate for altruistic reasons?

Wall Street does not invest in candidates for fun. The question is, what do they expect from Obama and HRC? They are beating even Romney on Wall Street, and Obama beat Giuliani as well during the first quarter. Why are Democrats out-raising Republicans on Wall Street?
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 08:08 PM
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7. "Wall Street" doesn't make a campaign contribution.
Contrary to what you've heard, the people who work on Wall Street--bankers, traders, secretaries, janitors--are all American citizens and human beings. As such, they have what are known as "political opinions" as to what is good for our country.

Democrats are outraising Republicans on Wall Street and everywhere else because the Democrats are a lot better candidates and would be much better for the economy.


P.S. What is Fortress getting for the money they've sunk into Edwards?
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 08:27 PM
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9. The love affair seems over
In second quarter fund-raising, only two employees of Fortress supported Mr. Edwards with donations totaling $3,300, according to data compiled by the Center for Responsive Politics, which first reported Mr. Edwards’s Fortress tally on its website. This compares to $7,150 that Fortress employees donated to Senator Clinton and $4,600 to Senator Obama in the same time period.

Mr. Edwards’s second-quarter Fortress support is also a sharp drop from the first three months of 2007, when 85 Fortress employees contributed nearly $152,000 to his campaign, making Fortress employees the largest group of donors to his race.

Mr. Edwards is the only Democratic candidate to have worked for a hedge fund, which is a private investment pool for the super-rich. In 2005, he was hired as a consulting to Fortress with the assignment of drumming up new business for the firm. He resigned from that position – which had paid him $479,512 – when he decided to run for president.

Today, according to his financial disclosure forms, he has the bulk of his personal assets, somewhere between $11.2 million to $24.7 million, invested in Fortress’s private equity funds.


http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/07/17/edwards-shows-dropoff-in-hedge-fund-donors/#more-2048

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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 08:52 PM
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10. You make it sound so innocent
They also have interests and the interests of Wall Street, as progressives have long noted, often diverge from the public interest. They are giving money to candidates who they feel will serve their interests.

==Democrats are outraising Republicans on Wall Street and everywhere else because the Democrats are a lot better candidates and would be much better for the economy.==

No, because the top two Democrats are corporatists that Wall Street is comfortable with. ;)

==P.S. What is Fortress getting for the money they've sunk into Edwards?==

If hedge funds were lining up behind Edwards you would have a point. Instead, it is Obama who is the darling of hedge funds (anyone seeing a pattern here?)....so why is one hedge fund the exception? Simple. People naturally prefer their co-workers. I am sure the former co-workers of HRC, BO, Richardson, Biden, et al. are supporting them too. Why? People like people that they share something in common with.





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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 07:12 PM
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2. One, what makes Obama DLC?
I'll be waiting for your detailed answer.
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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 08:01 PM
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6. My cynical opinion, yet I believe to be true, is that
the major Wall St. firms see which way the wind is blowing and they for see a Democratic win in 08. Notice the NY firm of Morgan Stanley holding a fund raiser for HRC. John Mack, their chief, was a Ranger for Bush. He hedges his bet. If HRC becomes President, he and MS benefit. If she loses, he and MS benefit b/c she is a NY Senator. And notice Obama is getting support from Chicago based Citadel. Same win win situation.
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 08:55 PM
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12. I agree. They also know Third Way Democrats like Clobama are not a threat to the status quo nt
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 08:09 PM
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8. hey, mario, jealous because Edwards is not getting the love from Wall street.
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 08:54 PM
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11. Who expected Edwards to be a darling of corporate America?
Edited on Tue Jul-17-07 08:54 PM by draft_mario_cuomo
I am not surprised that Edwards is not doing well among corporate America. They are smart. They know which candidates to invest in to get the best return... ;)
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