I think the 'conflict' between HRC and BO is just so much manufactured bullshit

I saw the debate. I saw **the** question asked. I heard the answers given. I heard the follow ups. I am now hearing the press/media bloodsuckers going after this hammer and tong, turning up the rhetoric and creating controversy where none ought to exist.

"Will you talk to the bad guys with no preconceptions?"

"Yes, I will"

"No, not until I have a better sense of their intentions."

In my view, they both meant the ***very*** ***same*** ***thing***. The only difference is the way the answer was framed. HRC did it in a way that makes her look commendably cautious. BO framed it in a way that makes him look commendably eager for peace.

I have NO doubt that BO wouldn't go near *any* foreign capital not knowing what might be the possible outcomes, let alone the likely agenda. Come on. If you think otherwise, you really need to reevaluate.

I have NO doubt HRC would be more than willing to talk to anyone if it were in the best interest of peace and our nation's best interest. Come on. If you think otherwise, you really need to reevaluate.

I can't believe ANY serious student of politics can see this as anything other than a tempestuous teapot gone out of hand. That's not to say it isn't in one or both of their best interests to keep the controversy going. But to say it is an issue of substance is unadulterated bullshit.

Edited to repair a boneheaded and repeated transposition of initials.

IN a general election debate...?

It was a political gaffe...and a bad one had it occurred during a general election debate...

I agree that Obama would do exactly as Hillary says, but that doesn't matter in a political campaign...

At the very least it should teach Obama to choose his words more carefully...it was apparent from the second the answer left his lips that it was a mistake...

And he would have been roasted by Republicans and the media had it happened a year from now...

he made a mistake, and she was right to call him on it, but of course the media framed it as more than what it was.

Admittedly, I'm not paying **that** much attention, but I prefer his tone on this to hers.

The first post debate poll showed a bump for Hillary...

If Obama had given that response without a follow-up from Hillary, no one would have blinked their eyes at it. They might have disagreed that we need to meet with them at all, but no one would make the assumptions that they did after Hillary's response. I do give Hillary credit for being a good debater and picking out holes to attack, but if she hadn't brought it up, there was no way the general public and media was going to bring it up. Once she did, however, that was their cue to make it into a major conflict.

Don't think so...

Would you still call Obama's statement a gaffe in that case? Really think about it and give an honest answer please.

The Republican would have walked through immediately...it would have been a gift from the Gods...

It is on par with Ford's gaffe in 1976...he is just lucky it happened now...

And this isn't the first...he needs to tighten it up...

neither really was.

I agree with the OP. Does any Hillary fan believe that Hillary will not make extensive use of diplomacy? Does and Obama fan believe that as President, Obama would not insure that the ground work was laid.

What Obama said is what Hillary has said in the past - it's what John Kerry, with 20+ years SFRC experience, said in 2004, it's what Bill Clinton did, it's what Ronald Reagan, GHWB, Nixon and Johnson did.

ooh, Hillary really slammed Obama, ooh the gloves are off now!! :eyes:

Meanwhile, Newty Gingrich calls the entire Republican presidential field a "pathetic bunch of pygmies" :rofl:

:)

Newt is not truthful very often !! Celebrate!

Not to mention the obvious problem with having your last name rhyme with the first name of a world pariah, or your middle name the same as that of a dictator we recently executed.

Because I don't think they swing based on such a superficial thing, at least not to any significant degree. And I truly believe that anyone who holds those up as reasons to not vote for Obama would never have voted for him anyway.

If you were to poll a random sample of likely voters, I would bet a pint of beer that about 20% of them would say they believed Senator Obama was a Muslim.

..Do you expect Obama to just not to respond????

Expect what?

Can you clarify your point/question/inference/innuendo?

:patriot:

They are arguing two nearly identical positions, and no one care about this issue at all. But it sure is getting the two of them a lot of face time, isn't it?