Clark is well on his way to 1 million by 31 Dec 2003

Pleae help support one of the candidates that can actually beat Bush if given that chance.

http://clark04.com/

Over $730,000 and growing.

This is getting old.

n/t

Clark gets matching funds in January! So if you look at it this way then it's a federal matching funds challenge $ for $!

Why does Clark have lower expectations?

Sounds reasonable to me.

How could one realistically expect that Clark's internet fund raising would be equal to Dean's in just 3 months? I don't think many Clarkies have that unrealistic expectation. We tend to ground ourselves in reality.

Clark has been campaigning for a year... just because he refused to even say he was a democrat until 4 months ago, doesn't mean his campaign is only 3 months old.

So that's hardly an excuse for how badly Clark is doing. Don't you remember all the draft clark hype? Clark was supposed to just leap to the front of the pack... he was going to blow Dean out of the water.

Yet it turned out just as I said it would... Dean way out in front while CLark and Kerry and Gephardt fight for 2nd, 3rd, and 4th places.

Clark declared his candidacy and began raising money 3 months ago.

I like what Clark has done in 3 months. I am proud of his effort and success. Clark is out there taking on Bush.

You should be proud of what Dean has done, without feeling the need to criticize Clark. Dean's accomplishments should make you feel good about Dean - you don't make Dean look better by trying to make Clark look bad.

So since this is averaging $120 per contributor, they will be matched by federal funds.

For the first time in my life, I have given over $500 to a political candidate. I will hit the $2,000 max, I am sure of that.

Wes excites me like nobody has since the Big Dog. I have done emails and letter writing already and I have really just gotten started.

This is going to be quite the exciting season.

And I'm finishing my wifes max today, no doubt Clark will reach his goal.



Food for thought from….“JAFO”

That's comendable!

but happy fundraising to all the campaigns. :)

:yourock:

Welcome to the Clarkside.

:yourock:

I just contributed. Thanks for the update!

That's about all I can afford. Go Clark!

This is not meant to slam anyone who has a more lucrative existance. But a lot of us have a difficult time scraping up $10-25 to make a contribution. It is truly special to sacrifice for a candidate you believe in.

And those of us who can't afford to get close to the $250 matching limit are more than grateful for everyone who can. If you got it..give generously. If you don't have it in the wallet--you can give in so many other ways.

:yourock:

But I'm not sure it will help the Clark campaign all that much....maybe just a little.

Clark's fundraiser started on Dec. 4 I believe. Dean didn't have a fundraiser up at that time, but in Dec. he's had 2 bats, the Gore bat, which raised $695k and the Attack Ad bat which raised $550k. The new bat is currently above $450k, so since mid-Dec Dean has raised almost $1.7 Million. Expect at least another $1 Million from the current bat, in which case Dean will raise $2.7 Million in December. Astounding.

Let's just try to be accurate here.

I'm not an expert on Clark fundraising, but I believe the birthday cake went up at the beginning of Dec., and that total (plus some other fundraiser totals) was added to the new fundraising challenge to hit $1 Million. I don't think he just started raising $1 Million last week.

But please correct me if I'm wrong.

The million dollar fund raiser started on the 16th and started at 0.

The cake was only online funds from the blog page, there was originally no link on the main page.

Then when the million dollar drive started, any on-line funds where tallied on both. So the final cake total included some funds raised during the million dollar challenge.

It was confusing. Clark is doing a damn fine job with fundraising. :)

:toast:

I mean, Dean is going to raise 1.5 million. a half amillion more than Clark, and Deans Already WAAAYYYY out in front of Clark on fundraising and poll numbers.

How is Clark going to go 'toe to toe' with Bush*, if he can't even keep up with Dean?

Just asking.

Dean and Clark are both expected to raise 10-12 million for the quarter. Which means even with the "late start" and "lack of grasss roots support" Clark has already matched Dean in their first head to head quarter of fundraising.

You were asking if that bothered me? No, no it doesn't. Does it bother you that a candidate that has been running for two years is being matched by a guy that has been running for four months?

There's no way he can have got $700K from 6K contributers at a maximum of $2K apiece

I gave $100.00

its around $120 per contribution.

Do I really want another Wallstreet/ Enron in the White House?

"Wallstreet/Enron" makes me think of people who can afford a lot more than $120.

Seems like you are afraid to beat Bush if you ask me, we need some middle class white guys to do it, I probably fall into that category.

n/t

that I don't agree with your Wall Street/Enron characterization?

I think you have a different view of middle class than I do.

This is the kind of divisive language I wish we could avoid on DU.

I edited out an expletive.

Well, I guess its just more for Clark. Thanks for the update.

:loveya:

middle class white guys now?

Gee, couple that with the various, "screw the indepentents and moderates" and other sentiments to that effect I've seen posted on these boards and what does that leave us with? Oh yeah...that mythical Democratic base we keep hearing so much about...you know...the one that has yet to put a Democrat in the White House all by itself.

Speaking of Wall Street...isn't there a Dr. running who's family is...ah well, never mind...wouldn't want to muddy the pristine pool of Democratic unity.

:smoke:

wavers are welcome. I think that's what I'm hearing. :wtf:

I donated $159.00 this month. It's called making a committment and sacrificing to fulfill that committment.

That's inspirational, Kahuna.

When you draft a candidate and pledge to do all in your power to support the campaign if he runs, you do that. I have spent over $800.00 on Wesley Clark since the draft movement. All while unemployed. I pledged to myself to give $100.00 a month. But, I have exceeded that amount every month since he announced on 9/27.

They might have to admit there really is a grassroots for Clark and that would hurt so. :cry:

Wierd. A 1000 less contributors- are all these folks WASP's? what does that say for diversity?

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So Clark appeals to the Ivory Tower types, not us working folks, gotcha.

are so totally lacking in REAL meaning...

Friendly and honest suggestion- stop posting for a day or two.

This is the staement that has it wrong:

People who are smart enough to know Clark can win are smart enough to have achieved some kind of college education

My, my, my!! You can almost hear this poster looking down their nose, maybe even crinkling it a bit. Disgusting elitist attitude.

Shameful. Should be deleted.

Julie

See on DBs it is easy to appear to have massive numbers. On such a thing where contributors are counted, well it's just not so easy to appear to be a huge majority. If you get my meaning....;-)

Julie

:o

6k X 2k= 12 million

Compare the number of contributors between the two- There is a thousand more easily contributing to Dean than Clark- clearly indicating broader support for Dean.

Clarks 'seemingly' number make me wonder about where all his money is coming from- Average joes can't shell the average $120 it would take to equal the posted Clark figure- who's putting up therse large donations? Is Clark the candidate of monied insiders? I'm reminded of the phrase, 'follow the money'.

I just don't know.

if you haven't seen it already. It offers some insight into where the money is coming from. The data is from the third quarter. It will be interesting to see if and how this changes for Q4.

http://www.fundrace.org/

What the hell does that mean?

please. The only published source that I'm aware of was following the 3rd quarter and Clark's $3.5m came predominately from the same places as Dean's: Chicago, NYC, CA, etc. Contributions tend to trend from major population belts. Both raised good chunks of change in TX, FL, etc.

I'm looking at that county map and gosh, what do I see: Clark raised the bulk of his limited 3rd quarter dollars in mostly Democratic counties surrounding major population centers. How are you reading this differently?

n/t

primary wins in those states. Don'tcha think?

http://www.fundrace.org/moneymap.php?cand=Clark&zoom=County

All counties with major metropolitan cities: LA, SF, Seattle, DC, New York, etc.

that he has crossover appeal and might be able to turn some of the red states blue.

I gotcha. Wonder why republicans like Clark so much?

:cry:

We are so sick and tired of not having a voice, that when someone as brilliant and liberal and qualified as Clark comes along, we are trilled to do whatever it takes. I've never given money to an individual candidate until this year. $250.00 so far to Clark.
( divided over four months)

I have never before donated to any political campaign until Clarks and my donations are very similar to yours.

Most of Clarks money is from CA and NY, change the map to view by states if you haven't, it looks pretty broad, comparable to Dean's.

Clark is # 6 and Dean is #8. How is that "high up"? Also, this was after just a few weeks of fundraising on Clark's part so the contributions were heavily front loaded with pledged amounts from the draft Clark supporters.

Aren't you the one talking how quickly Clark's fundraising has 'taken off'... doesn't this bother you, even a little, that a guy who started so 'late' has appealed to the fat cats so quickly?

I critcized your characterization: "high up". He's in the bottom half of the "fat cat" list just like Dean.

No, it doesn't bother me. He's a solid candidate. A true fat cat may multiply donate: they often do. I'd expect to see money from some of the same leading Dem donors showing up in the lists of many candidates. Not all folks with money are corporate whores and many are engaged in good causes. I think that you are taking a pint of data to build an ocean of conclusion. We know that you don't support Clark BUT that doesn't necessarily have to mean that Clark is de facto a candidate of the 'evil elite'.

He has an awful lot of regular supporters just like Dean, Kucinich, et al. Why, well he is a rather impressive man -- his candidacy is a good thing for democrats since he focuses mainly on maligning Bush/Cheney, et al. Is this really so hard to believe?

Geez, dude, hate much. Yes if you subtract out the top six people why Clark is at the top.

If you are interested in the truth and not a Rove-like smear tactic, then you wouldn't do that.

So, which is it, truth or BS? :spank:

:D

Here's to you KarlSchneider!!!

:toast:

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

:D

Remember the Repukes bitching about Clinton and Gore's fundraising?

And what's up with the moving goal posts? At first you ask how it feels to be "so far behind" in fundraising. Then, when I show we're not behind at all, you change the subject to the fact that Clark has fewer contributors (to which, I should respond, "Duh!" he has been campaigning longer, in fact he should have far more that just 1,000 more people that are willing to reach into their pockets by this point in time, but I digress.)

Its hard to answer your questions when you keep changing the subject.

They don't even like the guy: http://www.fundrace.org/avgPInc.html

Patriot. I'm an IT guy who is currently very underemployed. I was unemployed for over 6 months and now make about 1/4 what I was making in 2000. And I have contributed to the Clark campaign, $50 or $100 here and there to a total of $600. Including another $100 to the $1m challenge.

Read the stories of many contributors on the clark blog and you'll find all sorts of folks: young, old, retired, well off, impoverished, etc. You'll find MANY $10 & $25 contributions as well as larger contributions.

While the total number of contributors is somewhat less than Gov Dean's, their individual stories aren't all that different. And I would not, that the average Dean bat brings in from 6 to 10k contributors: not too dissimilar to the number of folks contributing to the Clark challenge and FAR short of the army of 560,000+ Dean supporters.

When you say IT...

an MS in Comp Science, BS in Math but I have specialized since the early 90's in start up companies so when the startup bubble burst, the pickings were slim. Especially in the Chicago area where I currently live. I've been doing the usual consulting gigs.

Just curious- how did you fund your education?

way: pell grants and working through school. I got my masters by going back to school while I was working full time with a family. I grew up in a household with four brothers, no father, and a family income that never exceeded $15,000 in a given year. I was the first one in my family to ever finish college or to earn more than $40,000 in a year. I really am not appreciating your condescending tone one bit.

I hope you find the job you're looking for!

Congratulations on your accomplishment jmaier. I have been there and it is a tough row to hoe.

You should be enormously proud of yourself and your achievements!!!

:yourock:

My wife and I are high school grads. She is a home maker who has worked off and on as needed and I went through an apprenticeship. We have donated about $1000 so far because we feel this may be the last chance for this country. We have never personally donated to any candidate before. Clark has sacrificed more for this country than any candidate out there. We are willing to sacrifice for him now. we believe with him that America can be great.

Thanks, Dogman

:yourock:

:yourock:

Why must everything be turned into something sinister. Is it not possible for you to conceive of someone like myself sacrificing in order to make a sizeable donation as I did the other day.

I am not wealthy (probably not even considered middle class), but I do believe that Wesley Clark will be an extraordinary American President. If in order to make that happen, I need to sacrifice a bit than I am more than happy to do so.

a lot of support while Clark wasn't even campaigning. Should we just stop with the primaries and nominate him now?

And have a primary ballot that reads:

Choose a Candidate for President


Democrat


____ Howard Dean

____ Howard Dean

____ Howard Dean

____ Howard Dean

____ Howard Dean

____ Howard Dean

____ Howard Dean

____ Howard Dean

____ Howard Dean


Do you think that would make them happy? :nuke:

Is taking us through the torture of losing next year.

That training is as important as money.

You know, it is lame to say that Clark is an insider and Dean is not. Dean is an insider - and guess what - Dean needs insiders to help him - and the insiders are happy to help (and were happy to help before Dean became a front runner).

There are some who try to perpetuate a myth that Dean is somehow an outsider. These same people feel the need to jump on a post that is pro-another candidate and seed the post with little (and apparently untrue) jabs.


http://www.boston.com/news/politics/president/articles/2003/12/28/democrats_schooling_dean_on_foreign_policy/

I'm retired and living on a small pension. Every few dollars I can spare is going to Clark, $10 one week, $25 another, $50 whenever I can. It takes sacrifice, but I am willing. Your attempt at painting Clark supporters as fat cats is ludicrous. Follow the money straight here.

Jersey:

Every donation, large or small, moves us closer to our goal. Thank you for the contribution!

:hug:

nt

the birthday cake and then 25.25 for the baby shower. All I can afford.
One more thing: as we bloggers were starting out surprise birthday cake, the "proletarian Dean supporters" were laughing at our little donations (59 at the time) and trolls were coming over to gloat that we are nor as rich as they were.
After reading a bit about HD and the way hetreats people it's only normal that his supporters would do that. But to pose now as "the true people" is a bit much. considering this:
http://robbedvoter.forclark.com/story/2003/12/28/94337/518
P.S. Before comparing numbers (of money raised, contributors) - please note one small detail: ours hasn't been updated since last night. I've read of plenty of contributions on our blog since, they are still to be tallied up.
I never go to other people's blogs/contribution threads. That you guys feel compelled to intervene in this one and knock it speaks volumes for who you are. Consider the reaction your behavior is engendering. Hint: it ain't desire to work with you.

I don't speak on behalf of the campaign, but I sure do appreciate it.

http://cat-m.forclark.com/story/2003/12/24/202943/67

Cause someone there is using your name honey!! ;-)

Julie

Whatever you guys decided that is reprehensible about this I don't buy it. It is the primaries. We are collecting public statements of an opponent as recorded by mainstream media. Your candidate is accountable for what he says. I have no apologies to make to you or anyone else. In short, I feel fine!

Dedicate all the time you like to smearing Dean and/or his supporters, by all means.

So then that is lil ol' you eh?

hee hee!! To think some poor soul got hysterical via PM on me yesterday for stating some are dedicated to simply doing what you do. I hope they see this. Now that I think of it they also assumed this blog you post to was imaginary. And here you are defending it, but of course, not really defending it. ;-)

No by all means, please continue to work like a little worker bee doing all you can with your pals on-line to build your case against Dean. The more hours you waste, er spend on that, the less you are actually accomplishing anything for Clark.

Nothing but encouragement here friend. :toast:

Julie

negative facts about our opponenent? Yes, right now all of the other Democratic candidates are our opponents. We have every right to campaign against them. And that means pointing out their gaffes and inconsistencies.

and we are supposed to take it - any deviance from this order of things shall be reported to...Al Gore?

Good one, Robbed. "Al Gore." ROTF

Long, hard hours of nothing but Dean, Dean, Dean!! I couldn't ask for more. You are very generous with your time. We much appreciate all the free publicity you and like minded individuals provide. It seems to add strength to the Dean campaign by the week.

We can't thank you enough. No, really. :-)

Julie

and I would like to see Kerry or Edwards as his VP...

Agree. Kerry or Edwards would make kickass V.P.s! :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

to put such a comment on a Clark thread. Really bad.

Don't the believe in him? http://www.fundrace.org/avgPInc.html

:eyes:

Win the battle but lose the war.......,

He's running for president, and he is not used to losing.  And if he gets the nomination, he'll go up and down this country and beat on President Bush like a drum.  He'll do 2,000 yards every morning; he'll rappel down any cliff he needs to; he will shake off any small-arms fire as if it were a swarm of gnats.  And he'll get better at the game each and every day.
He hates to lose.  And he doesn't run from fights.
And even if he's never played the game, he's never a beginner at anything.
Dismissed."

Clark will win both.

I donated. Clark is looking great!

Thanks for the contribution, the more the merrier!!

:yourock:

This Deanie sends his best regards :hi:

Now I'm maxed out.

Way to go Aquanut!

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

These donations will be matched by the FEC!
(Unlike those candidates who said they'd respect
campaign finance rules, then changed their minds.)

Whereas Dean is well on his way to topping that total inside of 12 days.

the $1m challenge campaign was sent on Dec 18th -- a bit short of a month.

But Clark and Dean are both going to finish the quarter raising about the same amount, between $10-12 million.

How can a "grass roots" campaign like Dean allegedly has, create such damn elitist supporters? Enquiring minds want to know. :crazy:

They are giving generously, knowing (or may be just not facing reality) that Clark has zero chance of defeating Dean based on the poll numbers country wide at this stage in late december.

Lets look at REALITY....

First Caucus, Iowa....Clark is not even running. In case someone does not know it, no democrat has ever been nominated who bypassed Iowa. But then Clark supporters must think the ex-general can accomplish miracles.

First primary, NH...Clark is distant third, Dean leading the pack by formidable numbers. Well, again the dreaming Clark supporters assume Clark will rise up from the ashes of severe mauling in NH.

Then come the first wave of primaries...Latest poll numbers show Clark behind in every one. No problem, Clark supporters are resilient folks. They will keep on giving.

Then come the second wave of primaries...Clark yet to win a single primary...now the hope is kept alive by a deadlocked convention. Oh yes, the delegates will be jolted by the tremendous Clark appeal in the GE and bolt from Dean...hey anything can happen LOL.

In the meanwhile please keep those checks coming. Keeps the unemployment numbers down with all those people in Clark campaign employed.

that was a generous, slam. Thanks. Gives me all sort of warm fuzzies for Dean & supporters.

I got it now.

You're talking about REALITY...the fact that nary a vote has yet to be cast...no? Not that one? Mmmmm. Could have sworn that was reality.

spoilers right now. No one knows what the Dems want because plurality-based polling is so pitiful at reflecting how people really feel.

I think when it gets down to Dean and Clark (and I do think that is what will happen), Clark will have the majority.

:bounce:

I gave today 'cause I want my contribution to be matched.

Give today and the FEC will double our money.
How often does the gov't help us anymore?

yesterday. if i won the lottery i'd give him half. $ well spent!

at Clark04 will match it....

I contributed last month, too.....

I've contribued 3x, which is 3x more than I've ever contributed to any politician before.

And thanks, Dean supporters, for cheering on your fellow Democrats. "Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party" my arse! :eyes:

the full support that supporters for the other candidates have been showing to Dean fundraising.

I forgot. It's only acceptable to cheer for anybody BUT Dean.

yesterday. Go Clark!

Dean, Clark lead Dems in 4Q fund raising

By Will Lester

"Dec. 29, 2003 | WASHINGTON (AP) -- Aided by aggressive Internet campaigns, Democratic presidential candidates Howard Dean and Wesley Clark raised the most money in the final quarter of 2003, according to preliminary estimates.

Dean, the Democratic front-runner, will have raised more than $14 million in the final three months, pushing his yearly total to almost $40 million...

Clark, the retired Army general who entered the race in September, will have raised between $10 million and $12 million in the fourth quarter, for a total of almost $15 million since becoming a candidate.

Clark will get an additional bump after the New Year with an estimated $3.7 million worth of federal matching money, while Dean has declined public funds..."

http://www.salon.com/news/wire/2003/12/29/dean_clark/index.html


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