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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-04-07 10:44 PM Original message |
Obama hits back over "lack of experience" tag |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-04-07 10:58 PM Response to Original message |
1. All those unwise old heads signed on for the biggest foreign policy fuck-up in modern times |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 02:18 AM Response to Reply #1 |
10. They deserve more than scorn. |
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Meldread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-04-07 11:02 PM Response to Original message |
2. This is a wonderful quote: |
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Silence Dogood (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 07:30 AM Response to Reply #2 |
11. except it misses the mark- |
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venable (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 03:58 PM Response to Reply #11 |
39. i really dislike the quote from BO |
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TeamJordan23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-04-07 11:12 PM Response to Original message |
3. How many years of foreign policy experience did Bill have? zero. nm |
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Captain_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-04-07 11:29 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. True, but we weren't in an ill-conceived war in the middle east. It's a different time. |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 10:03 AM Response to Reply #5 |
13. How much experience does one need to order the troops to withdraw? |
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Captain_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 12:30 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. You think we can just withdraw? (serious question) |
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Inuca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 03:56 PM Response to Reply #13 |
38. It is NOT that simple |
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Captain_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 04:50 PM Response to Reply #38 |
51. nicely said. I don't see Obama as someone who can think his way through the vast complexity |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-06-07 12:02 AM Response to Reply #51 |
87. oh he's not smart enough? please..... |
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Captain_Nemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-06-07 04:18 PM Response to Reply #87 |
103. any politician who sends out a non-attributable memo about the opponent and then is thunderstruck |
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laugle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 05:00 PM Response to Reply #38 |
54. Great Post and well said! |
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laugle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 04:51 PM Response to Reply #3 |
52. When Bill got in, we were not in the mess |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-06-07 12:04 AM Response to Reply #52 |
88. the elect hillary because she's big dawg's wife meme?...... |
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laugle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-06-07 04:25 PM Response to Reply #88 |
104. That's right! Big Dawg and |
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illinoisprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-04-07 11:26 PM Response to Original message |
4. who's inexperience! yes! old fools of the establishment. |
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NOVA_Dem (195 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 12:04 AM Response to Original message |
6. "There's an old saying which says: There's no fool like an old fool. " |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 12:08 AM Response to Original message |
7. Dick Cheney has lots of foreign policy experience |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 01:36 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. So you're equating Obama to Cheney? |
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UrbScotty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 12:20 AM Response to Original message |
8. Bada-bing, bada-boom! |
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Grandrose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 09:45 AM Response to Original message |
12. Go Obama! |
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JNelson6563 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 10:11 AM Response to Original message |
14. Amazing isn't it? |
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Ethelk2044 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 01:34 PM Response to Original message |
16. He is correct. All the experience will not give you good judgment |
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Inuca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 04:01 PM Response to Reply #16 |
40. True, BUT... |
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Ethelk2044 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 08:12 PM Response to Reply #40 |
82. Obama Hillary and Edwards all have the same experience |
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Inuca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 09:56 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. I absolutely agree |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 02:37 PM Response to Original message |
17. So Obama is still playing the IWR card on the campaign trail? |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 02:54 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. He opposed Iraq from the get-go - clearly, succinctly, without question. |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 02:57 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Thanks for proving my point |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 03:09 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. I never make such dunderheaded statements |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 03:12 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Obama himself is citing his alleged judgment in the OP |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 03:21 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. the unauthorized biography you cite is not the wellspring of truth |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 03:28 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. Nice spin |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 03:33 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. you are cherry-picking snark for your papier-mache argument |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 03:43 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Yawn |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 03:48 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. and you are pooping on the ground where we may be standing after the primary |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 04:16 PM Response to Reply #36 |
44. we've hired a Repuke janitor for such occasions.. |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 03:23 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. This video is very telling- from an interview in 02' |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 03:25 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. and if my grandmother had 'em she'd be my grandfather ... |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 03:31 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. If Uncle Tony wasn't an indicted criminal... |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 03:39 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. How dare you question *him*! |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 04:27 PM Response to Reply #32 |
46. I followed AK's Pelican links.. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 04:32 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. actually I'm right about the links to all the articles Mendell has written |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 04:39 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. Could it be... |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 04:41 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. well you credited him |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 04:53 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. A fair shake |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 05:02 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. that argument is the epitome of turd polish |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 05:32 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. Not so fast.. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 06:02 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. this is why primary politics suck |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 06:16 PM Response to Reply #62 |
66. Read #63 first then ck back here.. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 06:22 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. Obama is spry. |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 06:25 PM Response to Reply #69 |
73. You didn't answer my question... |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 06:28 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. I answered your question before you asked it. |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 06:34 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. Oops, Cheers to you too! |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 06:14 PM Response to Reply #59 |
65. When is the Rezko trial beginning btw? |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 06:19 PM Response to Reply #65 |
68. The Trial is due to start in Feb right after the Iowa Caucus... |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 06:24 PM Response to Reply #68 |
71. Convenient timing. He could have it wrapped up by then |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 06:31 PM Response to Reply #71 |
75. The Republican will hone in on this like an Alaskan Gold Rush.. |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 06:10 PM Response to Reply #48 |
64. The fear from Obama supporters is that it is going to be a bombshell |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 11:14 PM Response to Reply #64 |
86. "The book has the potential to deliver a knockout blow." You wish. |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-06-07 12:08 AM Response to Reply #86 |
89. Potential? Yes. Likely? No. |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 05:48 PM Response to Reply #46 |
60. Let's think about this rationally |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 06:07 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. Romney...who I detest.. |
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Laurab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 11:04 PM Response to Reply #63 |
85. Oh, you two are you having fun? |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-06-07 12:10 AM Response to Reply #85 |
91. Asking questions about a candidate is a "RW smear tactic"? |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-06-07 07:30 AM Response to Reply #91 |
94. Disruptors all have the same thing in common... |
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Laurab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-06-07 10:57 AM Response to Reply #91 |
95. Oh, but you only seem to ask the "smear" questions |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-06-07 02:53 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. Surely you jest. I have posted countless positive threads about my candidate nt |
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never cry wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 03:47 PM Response to Reply #27 |
35. Listen again, "If it had come to me in an up or down vote, as it came |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 04:04 PM Response to Reply #35 |
42. The vote never came as an UP or Down Vote.. |
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never cry wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-06-07 03:58 AM Response to Reply #42 |
92. You are confused, an up or down vote can be a roll call vote or a voice vote |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-06-07 12:09 AM Response to Reply #23 |
90. you just got pwned |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-06-07 03:10 PM Response to Reply #90 |
100. he sure did !!! |
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A-Schwarzenegger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-06-07 10:54 PM Response to Reply #90 |
108. He's got a sign on his back. |
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rufus dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 03:14 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. how many times are you going to post the same thing |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 04:05 PM Response to Reply #20 |
43. So he *rightly* opposed the war for the same reason your preferred candidate supported it. |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 05:32 PM Response to Reply #43 |
58. Once again an Obama fan invokes the IWR and claims a BO opponent... |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 05:52 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. Sounds like you're debating yourself. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 06:18 PM Response to Reply #61 |
67. I'm dizzy. |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 06:41 PM Response to Reply #67 |
77. No shit. Their criticism is that Obama opposed the war... |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 06:22 PM Response to Reply #61 |
70. Obama is running on "judgment" and claims he has the best judgment of the 18 candidates for prez |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 06:25 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. * I'm on ignore so this is what I'd write if you were reading it |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 06:44 PM Response to Reply #70 |
78. Ok. Let's play..."which one of these is not like the other." |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 07:22 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. Flawed premise |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 07:47 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. Nice dodge, deflection, duck, bob, and weave. |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-06-07 02:57 PM Response to Reply #80 |
99. Political calculation is not "judgment" in the sense BO speaks of |
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MrRobotsHolyOrders (681 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 08:09 PM Response to Reply #70 |
81. oh my shit |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-06-07 03:13 PM Response to Reply #81 |
101. It's a purity test for opposing the war |
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MrRobotsHolyOrders (681 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-06-07 03:44 PM Response to Reply #101 |
102. Seriously |
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never cry wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-06-07 04:12 AM Response to Reply #58 |
93. Once again an anti-Obama attack dog goes on the offensive |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-06-07 02:54 PM Response to Reply #93 |
97. Thanks for proving my point |
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never cry wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-06-07 10:12 PM Response to Reply #97 |
105. Yet hillary and edwards supported the IWR for political expedience |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-06-07 11:23 PM Response to Reply #105 |
111. Thanks for proving my point again |
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Ethelk2044 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-06-07 02:55 PM Response to Reply #93 |
98. If they did not want to get caught with their feet in their mouth, they should have never pushed for |
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A-Schwarzenegger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-06-07 11:19 PM Response to Reply #58 |
110. He likes to say "BO". |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 04:03 PM Response to Reply #18 |
41. Obviously, the poster has a vested interest in blurring the differences regarding Iraq. |
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laugle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 05:05 PM Response to Reply #18 |
56. AK, if Obama has voted |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 05:15 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. no it isn't logical to connect points A and C circumventing point B |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 02:57 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Thats all he's got! And he's run that into the ground.. |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 03:03 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Hmm...It would be interesting if Mendell finds something interesting regarding that period |
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Ethelk2044 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 09:06 PM Response to Reply #19 |
83. Why is Hillary's D.C. experience so important to you |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-06-07 10:34 PM Response to Reply #19 |
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ariesgem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 03:20 PM Response to Original message |
25. rinse, lather, repeat.................... |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 03:44 PM Response to Original message |
34. As far as I'm concerned "experienced" is a euphemism for "pro-Establishment" |
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Inuca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 04:20 PM Response to Reply #34 |
45. Experience vs. pro-establishment |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-06-07 11:06 PM Response to Reply #34 |
109. It also is codeword for "corrupted" "status quo" and "bought and paid for" |
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ChiciB1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 03:55 PM Response to Original message |
37. The Last Paragraph You Posted Is A Very Good One! And So Very |
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laugle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-05-07 04:40 PM Response to Original message |
49. I think Cheney/Rumsfeld have fully suceeded in there PNAC agenda! |
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Scriptor Ignotus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-06-07 10:50 PM Response to Original message |
107. so true, so true -eom |
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