Throw Out Incumbent Democrats

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Sunday August 05th 2007, 12:22 pm — Al

For any liberal exasperated by Congress — and that might be roughly 105% of us — Judgment Day does not arrive in November of 2008.

It comes earlier, in the Primaries next spring. With Congressional Democrats unwilling to consider impeachment of Gonzales, Cheney, and Bush, unable to act on any of the scandals and crimes it has unearthed, and now caving in on passage of the Bush domestic spying regime, it’s clear that the enemy is inside our tent.

It’s time to get rid of these hypocritical moles, these faux progressives who piously recite their brave words and then either fail to act or cravenly switch sides when it’s time to vote.

What good are they? They’re far worse than useless; they are traitors who have double-crossed their liberal supporters, and they’re taking up the space intended for authentic supporters of American values and constitutional government.

A third party is a tempting antidote, but that hasn’t worked in 100 years, since Teddy Roosevelt. So the answer is not a new Bull Moose party but a good old fashioned real Democratic party.

Yes, there are some honorable exceptions but, basically, spring is the time for spring cleaning, and this spring that means to change Democrats.

> Kinda tried that with Lieberman, no?

Keep *THAT* in mind the next time a DINO wins the primary
and the usual suspects tell you that you *HAVE* to support
the DINO because 1) the DINO is a Democrat and you must vote
for the Democrat and 2) this is like, the most important
election in like, evah! and so you *MUST* vote for the
Democrat no matter how much they suck.

Remember this because, when push came to shove, the centrist
big-wig "Democrats" in the party didn't campaign for the
Democratic nominee and the centrist "Democratic" voters in
CT didn't vote for the Democratic nominee even though it
*WAS* a very important election and unseating Lieberman
has been proven, in retrospect, to have really mattered
a lot to overall Democratic success in 2006-2008.

Tesha

let them know you want a reconsideration, some better review (not a late night rush) and a vote.

Come the Congressional elections there are other options, but for now - i.e. when FISA comes back up in Feb. - there may be an earlier chance to change the drift.

You want change, don't give up.

:thumbsup:

;)

:kick: & Recommend!!!

There's a 100% chance of ridding ourselves of an asshole if we do whatever it takes to defeat a Republican.

The Democrats don't have enough votes to do anything as long as the Republicans stick together. The Democrats, with Johnson of S.D. sick, only have 49 votes they can depend on. To override a Bush veto they need 67. That's 18 short. Forget about it.

gonzo. That's what this op is talking about.

The hell out of doing something destructive. I'm sick of the vote count excuse. The Dems have the power to NOT appropriate money. The Dems also have the power to drop the hammer on Bush and his cronies if they get creative with the law.

What they lack is "cojones".

I don't think that needs a translation.

and nation party organizations will always support the incumbent. With out their help find a challenger, there is no chance.

Maybe the powers that be need to hear that we don't want these rats anymore. It's worth a try. In the meantime, we'll support progressives in our districts and elsewhere and try to change what little we can.

The people are very motivated (angry) and it won't be all that difficult. Just need a few brave souls to run, like Ned Lamont did, and it's a done deal.

democratic dream and bless you. But in actual fact when you approach the local Democratic Party organizations and tell them you are dissatisfied with an incumbent Democrat and want to replace them, you will get laughed out of County. For example, in Washington State Sen Cantwell has proven to be less than progressive. For example she voted to give GWB unlimited power to wage war. So during her last election some us progressives looked to replace her. There was even a decent candidate that came forward. But do you think the Democratic Party would help us or Cantwell. They didn't want to risk having a non-incumbent run against the Republican challenger. By the way, Cantwell ended up buying off her competition by hiring him onto her staff. So much for the democratic process. In addition the incumbents get all of the corporate financing.

And as for Ned Lamont, what a good example. In the extremely rare case when you can find a challenger, one that has tons of personal money to use for a campaign, like Lamont, even then the local and nation Party will work against you to the end. His was a special case that got lots of national grassroots support, but in the end he did not prevail. Even after the Democratic Party was forced to make him their candidate many high ranking Democrats would not support him.

Just to find someone willing to run with any kind of qualifications is extremely hard. They would already have to be in the political system and be willing to challenge the local Party leaders desire not to replace and incumbent.

unhappy with an incumbent Dem. It's basically their job to promote incumbents - they see their job as holding onto and increasing whatever power they have - measured in the number of seats they hold in Congress.

Clearly, to unseat one of them, we'd have to support an independent candidate, or find a wealthy Lamont-type, who would be undermined by the DCCC, etc., and have a more difficult time getting elected than an independent would.

We can support challengers within the Dem party, and if there aren't any, we can support Independents. Or create Independent candidacies. Or just run by ourselves. Hell, virtually any DU'er could do a better job than the treasonous 41 House members and 16 Senators.

41 + 16 = 57. That's an awful lot of spinelessness and corruption within our own party.

have much hope of prevailing. See my post above #25.

:applause:

It makes me want to puke! Why are the so concerned with pleasing the retarded idiot evil boy Bush?

Thanks for posting.

*kick*

so how about mentioning people who are challenging incumbent dems?

Anyone?

fat denny is`t running so there is a outside chance we`ll get a dem to the house.

...when we're on the verge of taking everything...

Look, not all Democrats are of the 'Impeachment at any costs" brand. I am personally opposed to Impeachment, and I am a moderate. You know, one of the people that the Democrats have simply got to have the support of to take the next step.

If you want the far left to be further known as an opponent of pragmatism, and the sponsor of feelgood politics of revenge, please keep on doing what you're doing.

Keep pushing to vote out the kind of people that I vote for and you won't have much of a party left. Your group NEEDS my group more than my group needs your group.

They and their Blue Dog Bi-Partisan BullSh*t. Their collusion, their capitulation, their a**-kissing. How much longer did they expect us to sit back and allow them to ignore and disrespect the wishes of those of us who have worked our own butts off to get them elected?

It's time to clean House... and Senate. It'll take a few rounds of elections to do it, but I, for one, am willing to stick around and do the work it will take to make them GONE from this Party and this government.

TC

The Democratic Party, for better or worse, is a coallition of numerous factions, and none can enjoy any power unless all do. Compromise is always necessary, and all factions must accept that what all can accept in sufficient degree will be short of what it wants particularly. This applies to moderate and centerist factions just as much as it does to left factions.

The recent vote on the F.I.S.A. legislation is an excellent current example of moderates and centerists refusing to accept what is best for the whole. The original bill proposed by the leadership ought to have been stuck with by all factions, and the administration proposal should not have received the vote of a single Democrat.

If not, I'll withhold my vote. To hell with Lincoln and Pryor!