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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 09:59 PM
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Florida Dems to National Dems....we'll do the primary our way. Will get interesting.
I don't like the way my state has handled this at all. More is coming out on the details of the delegates. As Adam C. Smith in the St. Pete Times said earlier...Dean's hands are tied. The Florida Dems know it, the National Dems know it. Smith was fair to Dean about this, and this reporter isn't too bad.

Some details I had not realized about the delegate selection this time.

From the Palm Beach Post blog:

Dems stick with early primary, scrap straw poll

Florida Democratic activists potentially sacrificed more than half of their delegates to the national presidential convention by agreeing to stick to a Jan. 29 primary.
The executive committee of the state party attempted to send a strong message to national party by refusing to craft a plan on how to reduce the delegation from 201 to 93, which is the possible punishment from national party leaders for holding a primary before Feb. 5.

Delegates are chosen based on a precise formula that divides the total among the state’s 25 congressional districts and requires a certain percentage of members from certain races, age groups and sexual orientations based on voter registration numbers. This year, 24 percent of the total must be African Americans; 10 percent gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender; 9 percent Hispanics; 8.5 percent disabled; 8 percent younger than 30; 3 percent veterans; 1 percent Asian/Pacific; and 0.3 percent Native Americans.

Now, if the Democratic National Committee decides to punish the state party, it would be up to the national group to decide which delegates to keep out of the convention.


And a little more from the PBP:

They’re standing behind the early date by refusing to cut their delegates, but they also voted today to ask their leaders in the state legislature to get the early primary changed during the special session in September. To do so, the Republicans in charge of the Senate and House would have to agree. Dems tried a similar move during the annual spring session, asking Republicans to help them avoid a punishment from DNC Chairman Howard Dean. Republicans literally laughed at the request.


There is really no deciding about it...Dean can not override the party rules. There will be a meeting the end of August where it will be discussed....but he has pretty much made his stance clear.

Here is Adam Smith's previous article about the primary dilemma.

"DNC chairman Howard Dean is in a tough spot."

DNC chairman Howard Dean is in a tough spot. Unless he ignores the national party's clear rules, there appears to be no leeway for him to waive penalties against Florida. Even if he could make an exception for Florida, he risks provoking Michigan - which has long chafed at giving Iowa and New Hampshire such influence on the nomination - to join Florida in jumping earlier.


It never gets too boring here.
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jmp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 10:34 PM
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1. I've said it before ...
If the DNC tries to hijack the nomination process by stealing delegates from the state of Florida, go ahead and give the GOP candidate Florida's electoral votes. Maybe Dean can piss off Ohio next. Who needs the swing states anyway? :eyes:

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 11:06 PM
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2. You can say it 100 times....it is still not his call.
He simply can not do it.

Looks like everything pisses you off.
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KellyW Donating Member (539 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 12:37 AM
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3. all 201 will be seated
There will be plenty of scolding of Florida by Howard Dean in the run-up to their primary, but this is what the end game looks like. Florida selects 201 delegates and sends them to Denver. The nominee (who will have locked-up the nomination 6 months earlier) tells the credentials committee to seat all 201 delegates. Which is what they will do.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 12:40 AM
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4. Yes.
Hillary will carry Florida. It is believed that is why this is happening. She will win.

She will pick Harold Ford as chairman. Al From this week-end said Harold was the future of the Democratic Party.

And thus things will continue as they always do....maybe.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 01:03 AM
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5. Harold Ford supported Lieberman over Lamont
I won't support any enterprise that has Al From or Harold Ford in it.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-06-07 07:37 AM
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6. IF it happens, and as someone froma small state that followed the rules, I hope it does...
Chances are the "super-delegates" will be dropped. I'm not sure how many Florida gets but it would be the Party Chair and Vice Chair,the DNC members, and any Democratic members of Congress.

It's also possible any pledged delegates to a candidate who campaigns in FL would be refused by the DNC.
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