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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 04:33 PM
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The Clinton Coronation crap is getting assinine
I like Hillary Clinton, I'm not gonna vote for her...but I like her. But this inevitability meme based on meaningless national polls is frankly bullshit. The only thing that matters is Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina. PERIOD!! How many times have these candidates gone to all of these other caucus states? Maybe once or twice? If at all? If Hillary loses Iowa to Edwards and Obama comes out of New Hampshire on top...you'll see that 22% lead steadily and quickly decrease...which makes like MSM coronation frankly absurd.
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 04:36 PM
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1. well, wait till the Obama *shift* starts posting
same shit, different candidate. :shrug:
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 04:37 PM
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2. LEt her have her Corporate Controlled Coronation. We still get to vote in the primaries.
You are correct it is a load of shit.
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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 04:38 PM
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3. i agree by the time its time to vote a lot of voters will be Hillary and Obama fatigued
MSNBC is the WORST they keep promoting Clinton every single day and the fact is they are the least watched cable news show.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 04:38 PM
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4. The only people here
who ever refer to her inevitability are those who dislike her.

Her supporters don't claim that the polls today mean she'll win. It just means she's ahead, she's doing well, and it's just one guidepost on the way to the primaries.
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 04:40 PM
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6. No, you're wrong...
Plenty of Clinton supporters have said she's the inevitable nominee. Either you haven't read them, or you're lying...
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ElizabethDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 04:56 PM
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11. I know I certainly hear a lot more about inevitability and coronations from non-Hillary supporters
than I do from actually Hillary supporters. Maybe there are a couple of Hillary supporters who act that way, I don't know. But it seems to me that those who aren't in favor of Hillary are a lot more confident about her chances than the supporters themselves - my uber-conservative grandfather informed me 2 days ago that she would be the next president!

And I don't think that posting polls with Hillary in the lead mean that people are saying that she's definitely going to win, merely that she's winning nationally right now. I think most people are realistic and know that things will change.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 05:43 PM
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21. Plenty? It should be easy for you to find many examples then just from the last few days.
"Either you haven't read them, or you're lying."

Oh someone is lying alright.

Because I find one post in the last week dealing with inevitability and it wasn't started by a Clinton supporter.
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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 04:38 PM
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5. In other words, you're a hater
She is way ahead because a whole lot of people prefer her over the other candidates. In addition, she's a far better campaigner than the rest. So if they do happen to close the gap, it stands to reason that she will be prepared.

If you had money, which candidate would you bet on?
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 04:45 PM
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7. Dodd said it right...
"People don't want to be told who to vote for by a poll in the Wall Street Journal."
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 04:51 PM
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8. everybody
who's doing poorly in the polls says something like that.
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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-08-07 08:59 PM
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26. Yep
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Balbus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 04:52 PM
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9. You misspelled "asinine."
And, no, I have nothing else to contribute to this thread.
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KaptBunnyPants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 04:55 PM
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10. I remember Lieberman having 46% in national polls in 2003.
It would be nice to see Hillary end up tying in a three way for third place. About the only way that could happen though was if her campaign got complacent and stopped trying to engage people before most even started paying attention.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 05:38 PM
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20. do you have a link to that?
I can't find any poll where Lieberman was polling anywhere close to that number.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 05:50 PM
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23. Congrats, you've taken the Lieberman 2003 meme to new & absurd heights. Joementum never broke 30%.
http://www.pollingreport.com/wh04dem.htm
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KaptBunnyPants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 06:55 PM
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24. I assume I've been asked for a link...
Edited on Tue Aug-07-07 06:56 PM by KaptBunnyPants
I have a large and healthy ignore list. Well, I can't find a national poll showing that kind of lead, only one from his home state, Connecticut. A look at pollster puts his lead much lower, around 20%. Still, the first place candidate did end up dropping out early. I apologize for being inaccurate, memory is what it is. And considering you two have already made my ignore list, a hearty fuck you in response to anything insulting that may have been posted.

related links
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1296.xml?ReleaseID=319
http://www.pollster.com/blogs/primaries_past.php
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journalist3072 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 04:57 PM
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12. No one is trying to coronate Hillary. I'm tired of this DU talking point
No one is trying to coronate Sen. Clinton.

The Democratic Party is in the midst of a vigorous and substantive primary season.

No one is trying to coronate Sen. Clinton.

I wish DUers would get a grip on this.
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 05:02 PM
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13. Ummm...I guess you weren't just watching MSNBC
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 05:07 PM
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14. Bingo!
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 05:08 PM
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15. And on top of that, Chris Matthews has been trying to coronate Hillary for us
A Republican trying to choose our party's nominee for us? Unfortunately, he's not the only one...
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 05:15 PM
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16. You are so right. I am sick of crap. They should be objective. However
MSNBC and CNN are both becoming another FAUX.
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 05:21 PM
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17. Bullfeathers!!!
N/T
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 05:33 PM
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18. Why is it only the Obama supporters are upset.
We Edwards supporters know that there is still a year to go and our boy is going to rise and leave Obama and Hillary behind.
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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-08-07 09:09 PM
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27. Oh please. Look at the rest of this thread.
Hillary supporters are also upset.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 05:33 PM
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19. What is "assinine" is the anti Hillary crowd. NT
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 05:44 PM
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22. Is it that difficult to understand?
She's kicking ass. No denying that.

IMO it should no sweat off anybody's back to acknowledge that.

FTR the coronation part while colorful is a gross exaggeration that reeks of sour grapes. My advice is from my bridge-playing mom who used to say "Chest your cards, girls."

Just remember it ain't over til the fat lady sings.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 07:28 PM
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25. I'm honestly, and entirely, undecided.
And feel pissed on by the national media for not jumping bandwagons yet. It's irritating... but I've seen this movie before, you know?
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