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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 11:39 PM
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"The day the music died"....interesting blog about the FISA vote.
The oddest part is that when I ran across the new blog tonight I was actually listening to McLean...singing Vincent and Infinity and others. Very coincidental.

The Day the Music Died

On Sunday, Congress passed the Protect America Act, which renews the President’s surveillance program for 180 day. Basically the Attorney General (upstanding public servant that he is) and the Director of National Intelligence now having the sweeping legal authority to use electronic surveillance against just about anyone. According to Ackerman’s analysis (and I skimmed the text, which is online here, and this seems right to me), they don’t have to tell FISA who they are surveilling (is that a word?), they don’t have to prove reasonable suspicion, and it is totally okay if Americans are surveilled (yeah, that’s probably not a word), as long as someone in the communication chain is outside the country or if the big wigs thought someone in the communication chain might be outside the country. Yeah, it totally sounds constitutional to me too. Not.

My read of the situation is that for all the whining you hear about liberals controlling the Democratic Party, there are more than a few blue dogs in the Senate and particularly in the House. The Democratic majorities are fragile as it is; with the inevitable desertions, Dems probably couldn’t hold out against the President. But the most important factor seems to have be that Democrats believe their support to be soft and fear that a few wrong moves, particularly with regard to homeland security or terrorism, could sink the party. Call it post-Vietnam shock syndrome or anything else that comes to mind. But what it indicates to me is that unless the Democrats find a way to act on their principles and not to roll over whenever the President cries “9/11!” their foreign policy woes will persist.

What is that Don MacLean says again? “Oh, and while the king was looking down,the jester stole his thorny crown. The courtroom was adjourned; no verdict was returned.” Absolutely ridiculous.


As to this reference from American Pie...some think the crown of thorns refers to the JFK assassination.

Since no one really knows, this is as good a summation as any.

"Now for ten years we've been on our own"

Oh, and while the King was looking down
The Jester stole his thorny crown

"Thorny crown" is naturally a reference to Jesus Christ, which gives new meaning to the Kennedy theory, since the President was assassinated, some say as part of a wide conspiracy by corrupt men, in 1963. More popularly this couplet is thought to refer to rock's growing social consciousness, as folkies like Dylan became the voice of a generation while old rockers like Elvis became increasingly irrelevant. (This gives further meaning to a "voice that came from you and me," especially since Dylan was a major fan of populist folk legend Woody Guthrie.)

The courtroom was adjourned
No verdict was returned

A murky couplet that may have no real meaning... certainly there are any number of famous Sixties trials that can be attributed to this verse, but none that make any real sense in the context of the song. It's been theorized that this is a metaphor for the growing inability of America to form a consensus on anything, even the music that had once held them together.


But if the blogger said nothing else....this statement made his point.

But what it indicates to me is that unless the Democrats find a way to act on their principles and not to roll over whenever the President cries “9/11!” their foreign policy woes will persist.


Call it Vietnam syndrome, Stockholm syndrome, whatever....it is fear of being labeled as not being strong on national security.

A link to the album I was listening to at the time. Previews are free.

Rearview Mirror

For many of us who are older, we saw a side of our country, our party that we have never seen. For some of us, much music died this week-end.
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Lifelong Protester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-08-07 12:03 AM
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1. I had always heard the interpretation had to do with
Elvis (the king) and Dylan (the jester).... and Lennon (John) read a book on Marx (the brothers, not Karl)... later on the "jester's on the sidelines in a cast" referring to Dylan's near fatal motorcycle crash...

Although it is pretty well acknowledged that THE day the music died was the Kennedy assasination.

And I agree, the music, and a lot else, died this weekend. So not to quibble with the blogger's musical interpretation..
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-08-07 12:09 AM
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2. The whole page from the 2nd blog is interesting.
Lots of surmising.
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Hart2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-08-07 01:56 AM
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3. Only the author himself knows what he meant...
There is a long in depth discussion here:


The Day the Music Died is the name McLean gave to February 3, 1959, the day an airplane carrying musicians Buddy Holly, Ritchie Valens and The Big Bopper crashed, killing all three. But, as he explained on his web site, the date has a profound meaning to McLean because it marked a major change in his life:

"In Don's life the transition from light (the innocence of childhood) to the darker realities of adulthood probably started with the death of Buddy Holly and culminated with the assassination of President Kennedy in 1963 and the start of a more difficult time for America."<3>

From the standpoint of about 1970, the twenty-five year old songwriter recalled the effect of six transitions on the day the music died, noted at the end of each verse of "American Pie".

* In the first verse, McLean tries to remember how he felt when Holly, Valens, and The Big Bopper died when he was a thirteen year old boy: But February made me shiver with every paper I delivered; and I can't remember if I cried when I read about his widowed bride (referring to Holly's pregnant wife Maria Elena Holly). But at the end, all he can say is, But something touched me deep inside the day the music died.
* At the end of the second verse that describes McLean's perceptions of middle class America during the mid- and late-1950s, McLean believes that events after the day the music died would portend to bad times ahead: But I knew I was out of luck the day the music died.
* At the end of the third verse that focuses on the rise of Bob Dylan, McLean speaks for a generation of songwriters and musicians that misses Holly, Valens, and Richardson: And we sang dirges in the dark the day the music died. Since McLean is from New York, it's also possible that he was referencing The Great East Coast Blackout<4> which began when the northeastern region of Canada and the United States was plunged into blackness at 5:16 p.m. on November 9th 1965. It was the largest single power failure in history that plunged thirty million people (one-sixth of the population of North America) in eight American states and the eastern portion of Ontario into total darkness.
* At the end of the fourth verse, where McLean witnesses the effects of drug use on rock music, he asks if there was some higher meaning related to February 3, 1959: Do you recall what was revealed the day the music died?
* After McLean witnesses a murder and beatings at the Altamont Free Concert in December 1969, in the fifth verse, he says that Satan was happy on the day the music died: I saw Satan laughing with delight the day the music died.
* Finally, at the conclusion of "American Pie", McLean sees Holly, Valens, and The Big Bopper off to heaven on February 3, 1959: And the three men I admire most:/ The Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost, / They caught the last train for the coast the day the music died.

The Trinity

The final verse of "American Pie" includes the lines:

And the three men I admire most: The Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost,
They caught the last train for the coast the day the music died.

The three persons are an allusion to the Christian Trinity. The interpretation that is most consistent with song's events is that the three persons are The Big Bopper, Ritchie Valens, and Buddy Holly, respectively. Specifically, The Father is The Big Bopper, who was the oldest of the three musicians, as well as being the only father. At the time of Richardson's death at age 28, he had been married to Adrian Joy Fryon for over six years, and the couple had a daughter, Deborah, and were expecting a son, Jay Perry. The Son is Valens, who died as a child at age seventeen. The Holy Ghost of rock and roll is Buddy Holly because of his pervasive influence on that music (and it may very well be a pun on his name, "The Holly Ghost"). Holly was an original inductee to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Their travel on "the last train for the coast" is a metaphor for death (a train, in dream symbolism, is traditionally interpreted that way), with the coast representing heaven as their final destination.

Numerous other trios have been suggested, the most popular being the three American leaders assassinated during the 1960s: President John F. Kennedy as The Father; his younger brother Robert F. Kennedy as the Son; and the Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. as the Holy Ghost.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Pie_(song)

I really don't know how RFK could be JFK's son!

However, McLean's line, "The courtroom was adjourned, no verdict was returned." in my mind refers to Lee Harvey Oswald assasination, which mooted any trial on the claim he killed JFK.
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