Bush War Adviser Says Draft Worth a Look ....This will make me "Take it to the streets" My Son is 19

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-Bush-War-Adviser.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: August 10, 2007
Filed at 7:32 p.m. ET

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Frequent tours for U.S. forces in Iraq and Afghanistan have stressed the all-volunteer force and made it worth considering a return to a military draft, President Bush's new war adviser said Friday.

''I think it makes sense to certainly consider it,'' Army Lt. Gen. Douglas Lute said in an interview with National Public Radio's ''All Things Considered.''

''And I can tell you, this has always been an option on the table. But ultimately, this is a policy matter between meeting the demands for the nation's security by one means or another,'' Lute added in his first interview since he was confirmed by the Senate in June.

Trot out the draft, scare the potatoes right off their couches, and then sell them some more war at the current rate. They are going after this from every angle.

I was all for the draft to be gone but I wonder if I was right now. If the draft was around we would sure not go to war every time some nut in the WH wanted to be a war hero. I think we would all be more interested in just what was going on. It may have been an error to have got rid of it. If we did not have a standing army that was so good I am sure we would not be in 700 plus bases around the world for God only knows what reason.

Have you studied the resistance to a conscription for any war? They will use fatal force if there is any insurrection against their draft. They won't think twice about using the first city that mounts that resistance as an example.

And, a draft is a terrible idea, because, when you have soldiers on the line that don't want to be there, the incidence of fragging increases. If they feel they're being used as canon fodder anyways and drugs are easily available, it's going to be an ugly front line.

And make no mistake, that the well-connected right-wingers will be pulling strings to get their kids in the Air Force.

largest military complex in the country,and I thought the draft was bad I still think it is but I now see the point of the 'founders' not wanting a standing army and to be able to call us the national guard if needed. I know times have changed but not in this way. I see no reason for our leaders to be able to start war at will. Congress is not doing their job so maybe if any one with children that many get drafted had to face it they would think more about what screw ball they put into the WH and Congress. If these two places are not going to watch out for us, as the Constitution states, the people better get with it and push in and fight for what they want and think. I feel the draft did do that. History was with the people in Vietnam and countries did not want out side countries ruling them any more than the countries of the Middle East and when the draft riots started it pointed it out to people. They were right and the govt. was wrong. We need not be around the world with our army trying to run every ones life and country. What is it with us? Why when every country has dropped its empire are we starting up one? History is not on the side of building empires that is for sure. How does one get people to dsee what their country is doing? Take their child will make one sit up and think for sure. The 'rulers' would have to go back to the national guard and not starting wars.

They just foresaw our country being invaded but, they never expected us to turn into an invading country. And, I suspect, that the reason why we are showing symptoms of being an invading army, is because England never really dropped its imperial tendencies. They just evolved them by merging their interest with the USA's.

the people saw ruling other countries as a battle they could not win and they were getting poorer and not richer doing it. It is hard to believe where they have left since in I was born in 1934. In fact the whole world has changed since I was a kid and who rules what. Not that every one has done it well but it is not hard to see that the world wants to rule them self and we are not with history if we think we can back track on that. It is a movement that has been making hay since the enlightenment and we started off really putting a 'shot heard around the world' in force. I think the world is better off for it all. Right now we see a battle for these new ways to take a hold in the Middle East. I am betting they will in their own way but to fit in to this world they will have to make some pack with their people to be able to deal with the rest of the world. As usual the people in power do not want to change things. Have they ever? We sure are not going to do it at the end of a gun.

and they were getting poorer and not richer doing it."

They learned that lesson well. They couldn't rule them. But that doesn't mean they couldn't take advantage of them and their resources. Enter the Economic Hitmen. Imagine corporations who happily bounce around the globe recklessly doing business, and taking in profits and allowing the governments to take care of their messes?

I think the Carlyle group is a private corporation with too many connections to too many governments. I think that very intelligent men realized that dominating a foreign government or country was not all that necessary, efficient or profitable, because we could never occupy a country long enough to dominate it completely. This the British knew firsthand from its historical experience. Take India & Africa. You either have a country with a growing educated class which forms its own nationality and fights you; or you have an impoverished one which has so many tribal wars that you're getting caught in the crossfire. So what do you do? Instead of sending an army of soldiers, you send an army of corporations which are there, not to occupy, but to usurp resources. That's why destabilizing governments is important to them. It becomes easier to buy someone when you create needs.

And I don't think that this method is limited to foreign countries. I think that our right-wing Texas based Enron was sticking it to Liberal California, using the same concept.

and they were going to get the money from taking things from the people who lived here. That seems to be as old as people. Some one always has what some one else wants. I guess we can only hope to keep it under some control. I do not think we can stop it.

We have become what the Founders HATED!

That if the draft is being brought up seriously, there must be other plans for new invasions-such as Iran,etc. The only good thing about it, is that like you-most everyone would soon become involved in the fight or fright against this government!!! THe STREETS would be very crowded, but then they might pull out that nasty martial law thing! Damn them! Damn them to hell!

and I posted over and over. That's because their is no draft now and there was during Viet Nam.

If you want to see DC AND CRAWFORD AND cheney's Mansion in Maryland overrun...just wait til the start a draft. Boy people from now a days ain't see nothing yet.

Does any body remember wall to wall people on the mall in front of the capital, the white house...there'll be there and more.

And the mechanisms of coercion and control in place and ready for us are beyond anything we faced 40 years ago. But you are right that it will put a spark to the kindling.

Congressional approval/action?

Why does that give you any comfort?

the current Congress approving a draft right now. I've been wrong before, of course.

Congress. * can activate the Selective Service with an executive order. Just point and click.

He knows all too well what damage it would cause the gOP (unless he could re-instate a draft that would cherry pick only Democrats and sons and daughters of Democrats). The way things have been going, such a prospect would no longer shock or surprise me.:cry:


ON EDIT:

Of course I could be wrong: If a new terrorist attack on US soil were to occur (or more likely ALLOWED TO OCCUR) all bets would be off. The frightened sheeple would gather round their defending father figure (*sorry but I almost barfed with that image in mind*) and smirky would probably re-instate the draft with the MSM cheering him on.

The selective service system remains active and in place however that is limited to a registration requirement. An activation of the draft requires congressional action.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_Service_System

If you have evidence to the contrary please post it.

However, as I have stated, I find this to be of small comfort. This congress has shown that it will go along with anything the regime wants.

I heard that if the draft begins next year (when I turn 25), I don't have to serve.

Is this true?

I was afraid of the draft almost 2 years ago. I tried to move to Canada. Was there for four months and couldn't make it happen. I have 3 teenage boys now 16, 17, 18. I've heard it's easier to move to Mexico. :shrug:

That's what it takes to live in Mexico by law for a foreigner, but if you don't have that proof of income, you can get a 6-month tourist visa and cross the border and back again for a new one when the first one expires, and keep doing that for as long as you want to stay. If you don't have a steady income, though, it's a tough place to find work.

It's not just things like the draft and no-fly lists, it's also health care.

if the country was in grave peril, and Iraq does not qualify, from an aggressor nation or coalition and especially not with the current crop of mental defectives in office.

...if the country was in grave peril, we wouldn't need a draft either. A lot of young people signed up after 9/11. Their dedication to serve our country has been abused.

and making the situation worse, they want to start a draft but they won't say it. They have been redrawing the line for withdrawal and trying to hold off until the Dems have won the election and they will do something where there will be no choice and the Dems are letting them get away with it. THe dems are afraid that an attack would happen when they were on vacation so they let them pass the FISA bill.

They are giving Bush all of the time he needs to make the situation worse so that by the time they get into office all of the rightwing nuts will began appearing on every talk show possible stating in full force, how the draft is needed the Dems will be so afraid that they are going to look weak that they will go right along and call for a draft and they will get the blame because they are some weak ass,scared ass people...and the blue dogs will begin chiming in right along with the Cons...

http://www.cowboylyrics.com/lyrics/ochs-phil/i-aint-marching-anymore-11442.html

It's always the old to lead us to the war
It's always the young to fall
Now look at all we've won with the saber and the gun
Tell me is it worth it all

I'll be damned if they get the other two. :mad:

would weasel to continue some of Bush's unpopular policies.

Oh yeah, that's gonna fly. . . .

STREETS! Far too many Americans have been asleep at the wheel here in America and look what has happened??

I certainly DON'T want to see a return of the DRAFT, but IF it will get the masses OFF THEIR BUTTS, then perhaps getting RILED up will do some good. I may be wrong, but other than those of us who are "addicted politicos" I see FAR FAR TOO MUCH APATHY!

It's the shame of America as far I'm concerned. The problem now is that it costs so much money to travel and many people won't be able to make it to the LARGER Demonstrations, should it come to it!

I have long since given up on thinking that "my voice" really makes a difference even as I hit my head against the wall continually looking for a spark of what I felt for America so long ago.

If this is what it will take to get you out with the protestors who have been on the streets from the onset and have grown weary of the indifference of their fellow Americans to this manical Administrations blood-bath of both our military troops and the innocent Iraqi/Afghani civilians, who thought we had come to help and not to destroy their families, homes and villages.

Does anyone want the Blackwater Mercenaries, who are simply the goons/mafia/the killing machines, for the BFEE, who have been let loose with absolutely no control to kill American Troops, allied troops, and innocent civilians or whomever happen to be in their sights at the time?
Murders committed with our taxes and accomplished under our flag,in our name?