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_Wayne_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 06:45 PM
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Who is the voice of modern liberalism? Moyers? Olbermann?
Edited on Sat Aug-11-07 06:47 PM by _Wayne_
I teach English Composition and Rhetoric at UNF and FCCJ here in Jacksonville. This fall, I have the opportunity to use political editorials as the "text" from which students will respond. Would you recommend your favorite writers to me, with a link to their respective newspaper/blog?

Thanks!
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 06:48 PM
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1. I would say both....
They each have their own perspective....in my opinion it is important to show a variety of modern liberalism viewpoints and then let the students draw from there...

Have fun with your class it should be interesting.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 06:49 PM
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2. Why not Kucinich? nt
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_Wayne_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 06:51 PM
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4. Indeed, I think he is. But he does not write columns
Edited on Sat Aug-11-07 06:53 PM by _Wayne_
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 06:53 PM
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5. Right. n/t
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 07:00 PM
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9. But he gives speeches and has lots of press releases
which do provide a conduit for his progressive views.

Newsprint is going the way of computer punched cards.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 06:54 PM
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6. nevermind
Edited on Sat Aug-11-07 06:55 PM by Wetzelbill
the OP covered it in his response. :)
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 06:50 PM
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3. David Sirota
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 07:06 PM
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12. too radical which I realize is tough not to be currently
Edited on Sat Aug-11-07 07:32 PM by AtomicKitten
... but still some of the intraparty CTs he comes up with fueled by anger at the status quo are gratuitously over the top and are used as ammunition to perpetuate intraparty discord - which is as pointlessly fractious as it is boring, a two-fer so to speak.

I prefer Bill Moyers who just tells it like it is and has enough respect for his audience to let them arrive at their own conclusion without beating them over the head with his opinion.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 07:07 PM
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13. self-delete
Edited on Sat Aug-11-07 07:08 PM by AtomicKitten
oops - wrong place
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 07:19 PM
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16. we need more radicals. nt
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 07:20 PM
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17. you mean radicals in a good way, of course
Edited on Sat Aug-11-07 07:42 PM by AtomicKitten
just my opinion

peace
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 07:48 PM
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21. of course
:)
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_Wayne_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 03:10 PM
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46. Good stuff. Thanks.
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 06:58 PM
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7. some interesting samples from a range of writers, at Huffington Post
Some of these are just "blog" snippets, but others are essay-length. Contributors include people from a wide variety of backgrounds, including politicians, academics, writers, and various celebrities.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblog/index/



I've been reading James Zogby's posts recently.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 06:58 PM
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8. Dissecting the appeal and wit of Stewart and Cobert should be on the list
Edited on Sat Aug-11-07 07:00 PM by zulchzulu
Moyers certainly...Olbermann...

As for writers, Jim Hightower is a good one:
http://www.jimhightower.com/

Jon Stewart:
http://www.comedycentral.com/shows/the_daily_show/index.jhtml

If it's writers, John Nichols at The Nation is a good person to keep reading:
http://www.thenation.com/directory/bios/john_nichols

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yella_dawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 07:02 PM
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10. Thom Hartman?
Nobody really speaks to me as a liberal. I feel I have no voice. Hartman is a Socialist, I suppose, but he does see clearly. Too many speak the works people want to hear, but live in the Corporate realm.


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rwheeler31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 07:55 PM
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23. Thom is a great writer,
You would have many articles to choose from.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 08:53 PM
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28. IIRC Thom is a democratic socialist, brilliant,intelligent, articulate, cogent speaker.
If Hartman had a larger audience I would put him up there with Moyers and Olberman, in fact, Hartman would be great with a national show, maybe on TV......


The CBS Evening news with Thom Hartman........ does have a nice ring to it.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 07:02 PM
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11. Arianna Huffington
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 07:08 PM
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14. Bill Moyers (nt)
Edited on Sat Aug-11-07 07:09 PM by AtomicKitten
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 07:12 PM
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15. The problem with Olbermann
is that his paychecks come from the MSM.... the same station that brings us Tucker, and Matthews.

But under those circumstances, he is doing a kick-ass job.

He really showed his balz after the election of 2004 when the only other one that was making a case
for fraud was Randi Rhodes. Those of you that were watching him then remember the heat he got where
he had to shut up for awhile....but he couldn't do it for long.

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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 07:28 PM
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19. Why is that a "problem"?
Does it not say something for him that he can work for the MSM and still say what he says?

And can you please provide a citation for "the heat he got where he had to shut up for awhile"? I don't recall anyone ever forcing him to shut up. Not that he's the kind of person who would listen to anyone telling him to shut up.
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 07:40 PM
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20. Yeah, I'd actually give him extra points for that.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 08:54 PM
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29. ding ding ding, extra BONUS points for Keith....
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 03:34 PM
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48. The problem I was referring to is because he works for the msm
they have control over him. He cannot be free to say everything he wants.
Yet, thankfully his is willing to test his limitis ~ and it has paid off in ratings for msnbc.

As far as Olbermann being quieted for a few days, I really don't have the time today to do the research for you.
But here is a link to his blog from those days:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6368819/

or maybe someone else will have it.

He was talking non-stop about possible fraud, and then it just stopped.
But he did not stop for long.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 03:39 PM
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51. I think he gets a good amount of leeway on the basis that he's MSNBC's "liberal show"
If he were a regular news commentator, he would have to read the script that they feed him. Keith gets to say pretty much whatever he want as long as there's that unwritten disclaimer that he is biased.
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 07:25 PM
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18. Paul Krugman - please!
Edited on Sat Aug-11-07 07:54 PM by Phoebe Loosinhouse
NYT economist who just debunks underlying bs behind much of the conservative econoshit.

I really think he is liberal only because "the facts have a liberal bias".
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 07:50 PM
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22. I was going to mention Paul if nobody go to him soon
:)
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DemDogs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 11:43 PM
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39. Krugman or Ehrenreich - n/t
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 12:09 AM
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40. And Frank Rich and Bob Herbert.
That "big three" at the NYTimes. GREAT ones. Helen Thomas!!! Don't forget Helen Thomas. Several years ago, once these bastards really started hitting their dreadful stride, she was just about all we had.
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 08:12 PM
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24. can't go wrong with Moyers. n/t
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 08:19 PM
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25. Including socialists and other leftists, my choices would be:
Bob Herbert and Cornell West on social and racial conditions, Jeff Faux and Paul Krugman on Political Economy, E.J. Dionne, Eric Alterman and Tom Frank on politics, Barbara Ehrenreich and JoAnn Wypijewski on labor.

I probably left out a few - I hope this helps.

By the way, I remember reading in the NYT that a new book was coming out by a collection of liberal writers.

Good luck with your class.

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nealmhughes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 08:37 PM
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26. Jane Smiley, but she has a varied presence. Of course Moyers and the other Texan,
Hightower. And Barbara Ehrenreich: http://ehrenreich.blogs.com/

Most of Moyers will be transcripts from his speeches, of course, but no trouble googling them. Hightower is at his Hightower Report website.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 08:45 PM
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27. Just had a similar talk over dinner not 20 minutes ago
I mentioned how Tom Snyder had recently passed away, Snyder always referred to his old school colleagues as "broadcasters"... Murrow & Cronkite etc. And that in the broadcaster sense, there are none these days, except for Moyers & Olberman. They have inherited the mantle, they carry the torch for what it used to mean to be a broadcaster.

Now, you used the word liberalism in your title, Moyers and Olberman are not liberal to me. in a world of corporate shills, they are the only 2 who do their job. Moyers and Olberman are extremely competent, extremely knowledgeable, extremely articulate. They speak of & to the people and their interests. Speaking from moral courage & conviction about right and wrong is not liberal, it has nothing to do with being liberal. Bruce Fein has proved that, don't you think ?
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laugle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 09:27 PM
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30. Bill Moyers and his documentary on PBS, showing tonight,
"The buying of the Iraq war," fantastic analysis of Neo-con/Pnac agenda, and how they were able to sell it to the American people.

Should be seen by all...............
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 09:37 PM
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31. I don't think there is one voice.
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bedpanartist Donating Member (915 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 09:39 PM
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32. Jello Biafra
he's been fearless for years. He was screaming about global corporate power 20 years ago.

And you wanna' talk about demonized, that boy done been dunked in devil's milk!
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 09:51 PM
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33. Paul Krugman and Al Gore (speeches not columns) and Bill Moyers.
Also you might consider John and Katrina at the Nation. Others that are top rate are Bob Herbert and Clarence Page.
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The Sushi Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 10:04 PM
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34. Kucinich is!!
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 10:11 PM
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35. Pick up some Robert Reich.
he's brilliant
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AnotherGreenWorld Donating Member (958 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 10:28 PM
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37. Also a good choice
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AnotherGreenWorld Donating Member (958 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 10:15 PM
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36. Ronald Dworkin...Professor of Law and Philosophy @ NYU
Edited on Sat Aug-11-07 10:23 PM by AnotherGreenWorld
If it's acceptable to use articles from The New York Review of Books, I would choose him. He's also an excellent writer.

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/19271">Three Questions for America
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/13954">A Badly Flawed Election
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/17293">What the Court Really Said
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/15284">The Trouble with the Tribunals



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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 11:31 PM
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38. Barbara Ehrenreich, author of Nickel & Dimed and Bait & Switch
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 12:29 AM
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41. Robert Reich
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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 06:48 AM
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42. Moyers is the voice of Moyers; Olbermann is the voice of Olbermann.

The modern liberal movement, like any other political movement, contains lots of people with lots of subtly differing views.

I tend to distrust anyone who claims to speak for people other than themself, especially anyone who claims to speak for "the people".

Say what you have to say, and let other people decide if they agree or not.
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gr8dane_daddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 06:53 AM
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43. Keith's Special Comments...
would make a great series to study.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 03:43 PM
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52. Definitely!
Great stuff ~ and he is often the only one taking a risk in the msm.
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John Kerry VonErich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 11:27 AM
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44. Helen Thomas
nt
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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 01:29 PM
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45. Many voices. To me liberalism is more like a chorus of views centering on a few basics.
As I see it, liberalism underpins the ideologies that try to define/explain our reality. As a human construct any ideology will be imperfect. If anyone ties to cling to one as the "Republicans" are trying to do with their assemblage of oddly disjointed, often inconsistent catch phrases masquerading as an ideology, they risk waking to a world that has changed so radically they cannot operate in it. Also, the Libertarians are clinging to a simplistic ideology formed in a world that no longer exists. Somebody is going to be having a nervous breakdown, several somebodies. I think George already is.

The folks who have been mentioned in this thread all provide valuable insights which can help us cope intelligently with what is sometimes known as the "real world". If we think that any one view is the one and only gospel truth, we will run into the same difficulties. It isn't easy being liberal because the human race is populated by the the dim, the clever, the earnest, the deceitful, the fearful, the honorable, the kind, the selfish, and the selfless ... and the just plain weird. But our flexibility and adaptiveness are our allies. Which is why, when someone says children to not need to be given guaranteed health care because their parents are responsible for that, we shake our heads in wonderment of exactly what world he emerged from.

And about those basics from which liberal philosophies spring? For me they are empowerment of the individual, support for civil rights, maintaining a sense of community, and the continual striving for a responsive and responsible government that can help a complex society achieve its valued goals. Our culture has changed and the Libertarians and Republicans aren't able to deal with that, hence the current insanity and the consequent creation of a dangerous void being filled by fascist corporatism.

If this seems a tad incoherent, I'm recovering from a food born illness. Nasty stuff. Peace.
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 03:19 PM
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47. Moyers, Olbermann, Kucinich, Stewart, Gore, RFK, Jr. ....
any and all.

TC
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 03:35 PM
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49. Greg Palast
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Palast

Palast has been particularly good on the election issues. Here's a good one on the election of 2006

://www.gregpalast.com/how-they-stole-the-mid-term-election
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 03:37 PM
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50. Molly Ivins -- the consummate liberal columnist
I don't believe that Keith Olbermann or Bill Moyers qualify. One is a broadcast journalist who is fighting creeping fascism, the other is a de facto media critic and oracle. Both are essential, but I wouldn't call them liberal voices.

Also, there is definitely a difference between being "anti-Bush" and being liberal. Many anti-Bushco voices exist today, and what they say is more anti-Republican and anti-Bush than a liberal voice. They have been diverted from the progressive or liberal message by the urgency of a near police state at hand.

And so I am making recommendations of those whose voices have promoted liberalism and are not fully engaged in anti-Bushism.

Lewis Lapham is/was the most elegant of the liberal voices. Few can write as well. His books are collections of his essays for Harper's Magazine. I recommend "The Wish For Kings" -- it deeply affected me.

Jim Hightower and Molly Ivins are essentials. Marie Coco, too.

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_Wayne_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 11:52 PM
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53. I loved Molly's columns; she was indeed a great liberal voice
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