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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 11:58 AM
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Anyone else think that the 'split the electoral votes' thing in
California is a product of KKKarl's brain? I think that this is just the first official act of his new job. He just started early, before he quit the old one.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 12:01 PM
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1. No, they're talking about it here in NC too
It's a way to lessen the importance of the Electoral College and take away the winner take all aspects of it. It forces candidates to compete in all states and not simply cede certain states as "unwinnable," when in fact you could get some if not all of a state's electoral votes.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 12:06 PM
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5. The way to lessen the importance of the Electoral College is
to get rid of it. The way to connivingly steal another election is to get those that vote in the College to swing the election in favor of one party or another.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 12:20 PM
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8. I agree we need to get rid of the EC
and popularly elect the president. However, that requires passing a constitutional amendment, I think. Even if we start that process now, it could be a very long time before it becomes ratified, if ever.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 12:02 PM
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2. Who knows, but I doubt it
This guy's not the greatest genius to ever slither down the pike; he's just gifted with a willingness to do anything no matter how immoral and disgusting to acheive success, and he's hooked into a sad truth of the human being: the lowest common denominator.

People's paranoia of this dick is silly, and with any luck, he'll be gone for a little while.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 12:03 PM
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3. Sure Stinks Like Some Rat Like Him Would "Cook" Up!
My motto is NEVER, NEVER let your GUARD DOWN! THESE people are the BFEE remember!


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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 12:05 PM
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4. Yes, absolutely. nt
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AnotherGreenWorld Donating Member (958 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 12:06 PM
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6. No. Rove's "genius" was rallying fundies who irrationally hate gay people
to support amending our constitution to support such hate.

This, though I don't approve of it, is actually somewhat clever.

Jonathan Alter credits a lawyer named Thomas Hiltachk.

"Instead of laboring in vain to turn California Red, a clever lawyer for the state Republican Party thought of a gimmicky shortcut. Thomas Hiltachk, who specializes in ballot referenda that try to fool people in the titles and fine print, is sponsoring a ballot initiative for the June 3, 2008, California primary (which now falls four months after the state's presidential primary). The Presidential Election Reform Act would award the state's electoral votes based on who wins each congressional district. Had this idea been in effect in 2004, Bush would have won 22 electoral votes from California, about the same number awarded the winners of states like Illinois or Pennsylvania. In practical terms, adopting the initiative would mean that the Democratic candidate would likely have to win both Ohio and Florida in 2008 (instead of one or the other) to be elected."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20121791/site/newsweek/
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 12:19 PM
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7. Seriously, do you think KKKarl would sign his name on this plan?
He operates best behind a curtain. You didn't see him in Florida, you saw Katherine Harris. You didn't see him in Ohio. You saw Kenneth Blackwell.
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AnotherGreenWorld Donating Member (958 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 12:25 PM
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9. Well...
I don't think anything Rove has done is very clever. And I do think this plan is sort of clever: it sort of seems out of Rove's league.

But maybe he is behind it. Regardless, I hope Democrats have the spine to defeat it.
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AlGore-08.com Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 12:41 PM
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10. The first goal of the Cali plan is to tie up Dem resources and money fighting it
Money and resources that would otherwise be spent on Dem candidates down ticket and progressive ballot initiatives.

If it passes that's just gravy to them.

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