Frank Luntz's Focus Group: Here's the video.

http://forum.sonshi.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=31067#post31067

I'm glad the focus group got it right.

Transcript here:

http://www.iowapolitics.com/index.iml?Article=102970

I have no idea how much value these famous focus groups have, if any, but inteesting nevertheless.

'Much appreciated if you would....:thumbsup:

Clear, concise, stands behind his answers, in control. Disappointment in Edwards & Hillary, staged, scripted.

I do take into account that this is a Frank Luntz forum and I think he knows how to manipulate anybody to think and say whatever it is he wants, but an entire crowd is pretty phenomenal.

http://www.iowapolitics.com/index.iml?Article=102970

Feel free to edit that into your OP, Katz.

That's amazing. I missed the debate, forgot it was on. Kicking myself now, for sure. Hopefully we'll get some clips up.

at some time, do not remember when, but it should be easy to find.

I just checked, yippee! I'm glad I get to see it. Thanks!!

i haven't seen the debate, but am planning on watching the replay

He claimed that Edwards would be moving up in NH.

Edwards has been falling in NH since then.

If Luntz's focus group says that someone won, then they lost.

They walked in not really knowing Obama and left supporting him. I guess you think that they are stupid... Next thing you know, you'll be making fun of them because they only live in Iowa, so what do they know...

:crazy:

and he tanked in New Hampshire after that. Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying.

I suppose you also believe that the people who went down to Florida in 2000 and banged on the doors where they were re-counting votes actually were citizens who somehow got into the building instead of paid members of the Republican party. You know, back in 2000, the media claimed they were disgruntled citizens.

Some people can be duped so easily.

I would say Obama legitimately won this. I doubt it was rigged. However, is the focus group an accurate reflection of what voters nationally and in Iowa thought about the debate? Let's not forget that after the Youtube debate one focus group (CNN) declared Obama the winner, another Richardson and Clinton the winners, and yet another said Edwards won. We will find out who the real winner was in the next batch of polls.

went down to Florida in 2000 to try and stop the recount.

The media said that they were "citizens."

Just because Frank Luntz says that this was a group of "Iowa voters" (citizens) does not mean they were, or that they were unbiased or uncoached.

The Luntz Focus Group in New Hampshire said the same things that night about John Edwards that they said today about Barack Obama, and Luntz concluded that Edwards would start moving up in the polls, whereas the exact opposite happened. Edwards fell down to 9% in New Hampshire in the WMUR poll.

Take whatever Luntz and his groups say with a grain of salt. Him and his group, which said the same things about John Edwards in NH.

Either they are unrepresentative, or Luntz is just bad at what he does.

As the last debate showed, three different focus groups produced four different winners. That speaks volumes about the accuracy of focus groups. If they were accurate gauges of debate results there would be only one winner, not four in those focus groups. What happened in all the polls after the debate, though? Clinton rose, Obama fell, and everyone else stayed about the same.

Ferchrissakes, could you at least said they were jus' a buncha dumb farmers in Iowa? I was waiting for that...

:crazy:

Didn't last long that one.

He was truly impressive.

this thread would be full of posts about how Luntz, Murdoch, Rove and Ailes are setting us up so that Hillary will be our nominee and lose the presidency.

If Fox is pumping Obama, why is there any reason not to think they are setting us up to lose with him?

Personally, I thought Edwards won the debate and I'm still leaning his way.

If the Youtube and AFL-CIO debates are any guide, people vote for Obama, media responds with, "Hillary was majestically the clear winner nobody laid a glove on the frontrunner go fuck yourselves people."

Not to worry.

That's what I heard first thing on CNN this morning. It wasn't until I came here, and then saw the ABC poll and this focus group, that I knew CNN had really gone off into complete fantasyland this morning.

not because she was dominant.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/zulchzulu/54

Hmmm... I wonder....

Do you honestly see any way out of this?

Do you not look around some days and just see this over-indulged class of fat Americans being pampered by subserviant underpaid serfs? Then read the story about the young girl who died from working 16 hours a day in a toy factory in China.

And people like Hillary just go on their merry way, supporting this stuff with no human regard at all.

I will never understand how she duped so many Democrats.

National polls mean nothing until AFTER the first votes get cast. And if you look at how people responded in the focus group, you see how opinions on candidates are pretty thin.

I do wish MSNBC would expose CNN's Gupta links...

Lame excuse for HRC rising, Obama declining in the polls. :boring:

Are you implying that the people who responded are stupid? They seemed pretty together to me.

If Clinton had done well, there would have been a show of hands for her performance. They didn't think so, so that hurts your feelings.

Too bad.

a "focus group" that they have to be telling the truth. As far as you know they could have been told (paid) to say that.

See post #27.

It was a group of people who watched the debate. Wow! They changed their mind! OMFG!!!!

Yeah, they could have been space aliens! They could have been reanimated dead people that were controlled by Microsoft's new wireless bluetooth InnerPowerpoint, a virtual puppetry program integrated through neuron chips jacked into the NSA!

Run! Waaaaa!!!!!

:crazy:

:hi:

Of course Obama couldn't do well...after all...um...um...um...

Seriously, people who are dissing the people that made their own judgements and opinions and thought Obama did well have NO credibility at all.

If Obama did well in the debate (he won actually), then in your little World of black helicopters and parallel universe acid trips, when people think he did very well, well of course, they are either:

Door Number One:
Wrong

or

Door Number Two:
Lying

Oh...OK... psst... I have to go back to Planet Earth now.... good luck...

and it's always the pundits who proclaim Hillary the winner.

at first tend to support candidates based solely on name recognition and what the media tells them. If he continues to introduce himself to voters who are not yet familiar with him in the early states, he may take this thing.

I particularly enjoyed these comments from the transcript:

Frank: Did anyone else switch from who they came in here for

Participant: Hillary

Frank: Hillary to...?

Participant: I probably would say more Barack Obama now.

Frank: How many of you thought that she was the biggest disappointment of the debate, raise your hand

Frank: Why? Did she not look presidential to you

Participant: She looked very staged. She looked very cold and I was fairly disappointed coming in as a Hillary supporter. Im not saying that it changed my view, but it did disappoint me quite a bit.

Frank: Tell me why?

Participant: She came across as being very, she was very outgoing and very in control but her answers were wishy washy.

Frank: Great. That was, you've got a clear winner here you've got Obama is the winner. Hillary Clinton is the disappointment of the debate. You know that every time that we do this there is a different answer, there is a different response based on the people that we have here at Des Moines University, but one thing is for clear, Obama is getting better and better as time goes on. The language he uses, the way that he presents himself, his use of facts and figures, he's becoming a whole candidate and I think you'll see that in the polls in the coming weeks. :)

;)

My system is too slow to watch the vid but sounds like he was putting words in their mouths

Obama did handle himself well.

Gobama.

who can you trust?

I think that Edwards' biggest problem is his lack of consistency on the Iraq issue.

ABC (Klein): "...Obama still gets applause by saying we should have figured out how to get out of the war before we got in. Clearly Democrats still care about who was against the war from the start..." LINK <http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/08/live-blogging-1.html>


I'm sure Obama will make a great VP for either Al Gore or Wes Clark.

Then he will be ready to take over the Presidency in January 2017. B-)

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