My "high horse" rants about Democrats who don't stand with us.

My "blind party loyalty" consists of questioning the Democrats who vote against our best interests.

Seems the Blue Dogs are deal makers between the parties...link to their website..
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1420

Blue Dogs say they represent the majority, but they don't want to "play general" with the war.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1175

Fisa Bill is "Unwarranted Betrayal" ....Albany Times
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1424

Democrats got "baited and switched" on the bankruptcy bill...Blue Dogs New Dems
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1178

One paragraph by Al From right after our win in November...I saw red.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1227

I don't have a voice on AAR or any radio. The local paper won't print anymore of my letters to the editors because I wrote a letter criticizing Adam Putnam.

So I write about the Democrats who don't vote in our best intersts. And I call and thank and work with and donate to those who do care about the interests of the people.

And I get criticized at a Democratic forum because I take issue with so many AAR hosts constantly putting the party down. They do it in very general terms which hurts all of us.

The worst part is that there is no magic third party leader waiting in the wings to save us, and when we tear down all the Democrats there will be little left but Republicans.

There is absolutely no reason not to believe that the DLC and Blue Dogs don't have staff who sign in and attack any posts like yours as "divisive". Heaven knows I would expect them to. And surely there are those who truely believe in "unity at all costs" in a community as large as DU.


My response is to ignore them, just don't let the flames get under your skin. You know there are many, many here who think as you do.

(edit for spelling)

My skin is flameproof by now really.

We do need to speak up, but not just advocate leaving the party when there is nothing else out there right now.

That truly scares me.

time. Yeah, I'm a Blue Dog operative.

Jeeze.

Yet there are so many people who want to attack the people on our side and not the fuckers in the middle who are selling the soul of this country inch by inch.

rid of the Republicans and then clean our party while we are in power. I don't think
I can afford another 4 years of a republican administration.

the party. And since when does it belong to you and people who think like you?

It's time to start acting like democrats. It's time to knock off the collaborating with the republicans. So far, this party hasn't shown much difference.

Maybe some of us think that the party could use a damn good cleaning as well. But unlike people who have the gall to claim what doesn't belong to them, we don't make stupid suggestions like that. Because so far nothing that's come out of Washington since last November is any damn different that what went on before then.

for those in the party who do care.

That is an ugly word.

don't have leadership willing to do what we need them to do. That's one thing I have to say about the damn republicans, miserable cretins that they are. They know how to fight.

edit: To add that I just read the threads regarding Leahy's press conference. WOW! More nothing from another dem. They'll discuss what to do when they come back from recess. Maybe they'll send another letter.

My I just say that Sister likes you. You're very zesty. Sister likes that in a gal.

the dems are selling us out is why I told you to get off your 'high horse' and go lecture Buzzflash for doing the same damn thing.

Just because you can sit here and take this beating and defend the ones who just sold you down the river, well don't expect us all to be so forgiving. Not only are they helping bush** to violate any and all rights of privacy we have but our kids and our grandkids and so on and so forth. They've given him money for a war that we want stopped. They've provided cover for the crimes they committed way back when we didn't even know they were spying on all of us. AND NOW they want to spy on us from space via satellite. What the hell kind of shit is that? And they're signing some hellacious deal up in Canada today, as we're posting here, between Canada and Mexico sure to screw the people of this country even more.

Don't lecture people who are damn sick and tired of this shit and then have the nerve to be 'offended' when you're called on it.

Because I am one of the most outspoken here against those who sell us out.

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telling everyone what they should think, what they should say, how they should feel.

I only criticize the Democrats who don't stand with us.

but it's the rest who have let us down. Listening to Leahy's Press Conference today where he extended the WH's "non-compliance" ....I couldn't blame his actions on "Blue Dog Dems." It was dreadful what he did today. He stood there alone and did it.

They specifically go after the people who have sold ut out.

They don't name call either. They present facts.

You made your point by name calling without facts.

I absolutely abhor the Democrats running Congress right now, but I'm damn sure I'd rather have those morons instead of morons named Hastert, DeLay et. al.

How about we elect as many Democrats as we can to the Senate so we don't have a false majority that can be controlled by the likes of Asshole Lieberman? While a lot of them aren't ideal, let's get our ass in the door and have a real majority that will allow us to replace Republican-lite Democrats. This won't happen over night. But it sure as hell won't happen if those of us that call ourselves the opposition to the Republicans keep getting into pissing matches about the purity of progressive thought. Let's get our asses in the door, shall we?

either with us or against us?

and being on a high horse because I don't think we should destroy the party, just call attention to the ones who don't stand with us.

So I posted only a small part of what I have written....to defend myself from being told I have "blind party loyalty"...which shows where the forum is headed when we get called names for defending Democrats.

:shrug:

eat our own. Then, when someone points out the FACT that this divisiveness furthers GOP talking points, and assists THEIR agenda, they get slapped with the label of 'blind loyalty'. There are times this place smells more like Freepville than the DEMOCRATIC Underground.

but the republicans are beginning to eat each other too...

They're but one of the two right-wings of the business party after all...

They have to maintain the charade of choice so their corporate capitalist masters remain in charge....

We have sociopathic criminals running this country. Even the Repugs can see that...and what we have as Dem leaders constantly let the Dems down.

So...we will go at each other because there's nothing to rally us to a common cause if we can't impeach or change anything and the Media is deciding who we should vote for....what are frustrated and angry folks to do? :shrug:

the tactic called "terrorism"...

"if we can't impeach or change anything and the Media is deciding who we should vote for....what are frustrated and angry folks to do?"

Not suggesting anything...just noticing.

Saying things like "the democrats are selling us out" is uttilizing a frame made up by the right wing.

Instead, we should focus in the VERY SMALL FACTION (mostly blue dogs, and DLC scumbags) who are enabling the republican agenda.

In my view don't realize who is making the votes against us. They should learn before they do general bashing.

this could use some clarification.

the other day, you were extremely critical of my statements about not sending money to the DNC or any other "we support ALL Democrats" group. my specific statement was that I will fund individual Democratic candidates but will not dump my money into a catch-all bucket. i gave as a reason for this that I didn't want to support Blue Dogs or pro-war types or whatever other issues I might have listed.

I believe, based on my best recollection, that you saw that as trashing the 50-state strategy that Dean's been implementing. Please clarify what you meant when you said that "And I call and thank and work with and donate to those who do care about the interests of the people." I took that statement to mean that you would not fund most Blue Dog candidates. And, if that's correct, what sense would it then make to withhold funding of Blue Dog candidates only to turn around and give money to the DNC who would then turn around and fund those very same Blue Dog candidates?

My willingness to directly fund only certain candidates does not stand in opposition to a 50-state strategy; it does, however, stand in opposition to funding candidates I disagree with on certain key issues. I will not help a war supporter. I will not help someone who thinks it's time to bomb Iran. I will not fund someone who voted to take away our Constitutionally guaranteed liberties. I don't expect every Democratic candidate to hold exactly the same values I hold but there are certain core values on which I will not compromise. Endless war, the corruption of our political process by big money, and the revocation of our civil liberties all stand very, very high on my list. If Democrats want to have a 50-state strategy, I strongly suggest they not support candidates who endorse any of those positions. To me, a 50-state strategy means that the party's core values will be represented by candidates in all 50-states; it does NOT mean that party money should be given to candidates in all 50-states regardless of where those candidates stand on the issues.

Only at the very end last year did they take out a loan for GOTV efforts, the ones they chose. Why in the world do you think Rahm and Carville had their tantrums?

Why do you think I reacted in frustration to being told to get off my "high horse" and being "blindly loyal" when I said AAR and everyone else should get mad at the right people?

Do you know who is in charge of messaging for the House? In charge of setting the things they stand for? Rahm.

Dean is building the party outside DC. You have every right to keep funds from him as well...it's a free country.

If you want to push to hurt all Democrats....who will who hang your hat on to be your leader for 3rd party? There is no one right now.

I get angry when people who don't even know what the various groups do tell me to get off my "high horse" and that I am "blindly loyal".

So I posted just a few of my own critiques of the Democrats who deserved the criticism. Not just blasting the whole party.

here's my question: does the DNC fund people in all 50-states to work (at least as a part of what they do) on behalf of the nominees of the party who are running in those states? To me, there's very little difference between funding a candidate directly and funding an infrastructure to work for that candidate's election.

As for you last line about "not blasting the whole party", I think that's what I'm doing by selecting the candidates I want to fund rather than funding catch-all funding buckets. I don't see any difference.

That is certainly your right.

I do think we need an infrastructure, but some don't.

That is your right as an American.

Sister fell off on before. Or was it a mule? Oh yes, a mule. One of Sister Sara's two mules I recall.

I enjoyed that movie. It has been years since I saw it. :hi:

I think she's still roaming around. Good mule. Very holy. Can't say that much for Sister Sara. Turned out to be a methodist.

Geez I feel so old. It does not seem that long ago.