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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 09:54 PM
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Obama calls for easing Cuba embargo
Obama calls for easing Cuba embargo
By LAURA WIDES-MUNOZ, Associated Press Writer

Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama is leaping into the long-running Cuba debate by calling for the U.S. to ease restrictions for Cuban-Americans who want to visit the island or send money home.

Obama's campaign said Monday that, if elected, the Illinois senator would lift restrictions imposed by the Bush administration and allow Cuban-Americans to visit their relatives more frequently, as well as ease limits on the amount of money they can send to their families.

"Senator Obama feels that the Bush administration has made a humanitarian and a strategic blunder," spokeswoman Jen Psaki said in an e-mail. "His concern is that this has had a profoundly negative impact on the Cuban people, making them more dependent on the Castro regime, thus isolating them from the transformative message carried by Cuban-Americans."

Obama was explaining his position in an op-ed piece Tuesday in The Miami Herald.

While the U.S. embargo has limited who can travel to the communist island and what can be sent there since the early 1960s, restrictions added by the Bush administration in 2004 made visiting and shipping gifts to Cuba more difficult.

Most Cubans in the U.S. can only visit the island once every three years and can only send quarterly remittances of up to $300 per household to immediate family members. Previously, they could visit once a year and send up to $3,000. The U.S. also tightened restrictions on travel for educational and religious groups.

CONTINUE READING: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070821/ap_po/obama_cuba
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 09:56 PM
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1. I'm an Edwards person, but I can't help loving Obama too. nt
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 09:57 PM
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2. Hot stuff-I love this! Everyone needs to jump into this, so thanks, Sen. Obama. nt
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 09:58 PM
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3. cuba embargo should be dumped - we trade w/russia and china who could nuke us off the planet AND
the only reason we have this emabargo is so that cubans in florida will vote for the republicans.

Dumping the embargo would be a great PR move for the USA plus help hasten the demise of the castro mob.

obama should quit playing footsie and call for the embargo's complete removal.

Msongs
www.msongs.com
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 09:58 PM
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5. Is Hillary talking about lifting the embargo?
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 05:54 AM
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37. I dunno, but if you ask her, she won't put nukes off the table....
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 12:18 AM
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30. One step at a time
I'm as anti Cuban Embargo as anyone but change doesn't happen overnight. Any candidate that is even throwing a bone in that direction is a good sign.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 09:58 PM
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4. Obama understands how to deal with Latin America.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 09:32 AM
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46. I think so too (n/t)
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 09:59 PM
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6. Smart move by Obama. This bolsters his image as advocating a new way of thinking in foreign policy
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 09:59 PM
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7. Hooray!
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hollowdweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 10:02 PM
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8. Good For Him.
We can import all this dangerous crap from China but people can't go to Cuba and get cheap medical care? That's BS!
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 10:06 PM
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9. I agree with him, but he just lost Florida! n/t
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 10:06 PM
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10. Nah, times are changing, and young Cuban-Americans are not like their elders.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 10:09 PM
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11. But do the young ones vote? I hope you're right, but the loud ones
are still very activist. I don't know how much influence they have on their kids.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 10:10 PM
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13. I agree. Brave stance. one I agree with, but strategically, an error. IMO.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 10:11 PM
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14. He needs to be honest and straightforward. That's what America needs.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 10:18 PM
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19. Honest and straightforward doesn't always do it. It may do it for you, but not for middle America.
That's why you see so much parsing in politics. It's almost as though you have to sense the candidate's intent, to see the triangulation and follow it back to the actual intent.

His Cuba stand could hurt him with a segment of voters. Might not be the end of the world, but if it came down to FL alone, he could be in the hurt locker.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 10:14 PM
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17. I am afraid you might be right.
Florida (and this issue) are really tough nuts to crack.

Since Obama is getting slapped around on foreign policy already he could have waited a bit. Brave statement but perhaps foolish with regard to campaign timing/message.
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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 10:15 PM
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18. nope
more visits & better money exchange is a winner. Period
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 10:46 PM
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22. I thought that alot of the Cubans in Florida
want to be able to visit their relatives and send them money. In fact, I can't see how this proposal of Obama benefits anyone at all except Cubans living in Florida. I realize that there's a faction of hard-liners there who don't want this, but I was under the impression that they're a vocal minority.

I do not agree with Obama on this. I don't think that Cuban Americans should have a privilaged status over the rest us. If I can't visit Cuba, then they shouldn't be able to either.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 11:26 PM
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23. I think it all might change if Castro croaks, and reports seem to indicate
that's not far away, but for now, the Cubans in Fla. that actually vote Or can vote are vary much against any support for Cuba. To me it looks like his brother will take control anyway, so I don't know what the difference would be, but they seem to be so very anti Fidel. Who knows.
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jmp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 06:08 AM
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38. Most Cuban Exiles want the embargo to remain ...
in place and even be strengthened. They just don't want it enforced when it comes to them.

Don't try to understand it ... just accept it. :P

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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 12:19 AM
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31. I'd rather he start taking the steps to end the embargo than win Florida
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 01:07 AM
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32. You apparently look at the election differently than I do.
I think it's wonderful to have ethics and morals, and always want to do the RIGHT THING, but to think that way is forgetting the goal! A Dem MUST WIN the 08 election! There is ONE thing that think is the most important thing for the US, and that's total control of the Supreme Court! If a Pub wins, even Rudy said he would ominate "strict constructionists"! There's not THAT much difference between all our Dem candidates, and all but ravel would make a good Prez. The MOST IMPORTANT think is to get a Dem in the WH because if we don't, say goodby to your life, dreams, rights, and the constitution!!!!
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 01:45 AM
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35. Oh I think that we must win at all costs
But I think that we can start to take steps in the right direction on this and still win. Republicans no longer have an advantage in Ohio and that's going to make it very hard for them to win nationally.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 07:47 AM
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43. Cubans in Florida hate all Democrats - doesn't matter.
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 10:09 PM
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12. That is a very good, smart move!
It's time to break down those barriers...

K&R

:patriot:
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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 10:13 PM
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15. Change
no more business as usual....:thumbsup:
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 10:14 PM
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16. Good, this is where America is
The people who don't vote will start to hear someone who thinks like they do. It's a new day and it's time for leadership that understands it.
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 10:34 PM
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20. I'm sorry, but I can not support that policy.
Edited on Mon Aug-20-07 10:35 PM by Crunchy Frog
Cuban Americans should have exactly the same travel rights and restrictions as every other American citizen.

I'm in favor of lifting all travel restrictions, but as long as the rest of us can't travel to Cuba, they shouldn't be able to either.
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 10:35 PM
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21. Good! Now take the next step, and restore normal relations. If we
Edited on Mon Aug-20-07 10:38 PM by Benhurst
can crawl in bed with Red China, there's no reason to continue our insane policies against Cuba.
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TSIAS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 11:29 PM
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24. Good
I live in South Florida. A lot of these Cubans are batshit crazy. One day a local sports radio station erroneously reported that Castro had died. Within minutes, Cubans were out on the streets of SR 441 with pots and pans cheering his alleged demise.

I'm not worried about this costing him the Cuban vote. They already are staunch conservatives. Obama could kill Castro with his bare hands and they'd still hate the Democrats. With no offense to Cuban Americans, those residing in Miami/Dade County are seen as a joke within our state.
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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 11:34 PM
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25. I am all for it! But not a good issue to campaign on-nt
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 11:36 PM
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26. New foreign policy - it's perfect
Most Americans support this so it's good for him to take the lead and show he's going to take a different direction.
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 12:06 AM
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27. I agree, we need to re-examine most, if not all, of our foreign policy. nm
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 12:06 AM
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28. I agree, we need to re-examine most, if not all, of our foreign policy. nm
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 12:13 AM
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29. Cool...good for him!
:thumbsup:
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 01:19 AM
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33. What "transformative message carried by Cuban-Americans?" They are Republican fundies!
Those CANF assholes in Florida are homophobes and anti-Semites! They openly boast of restoring the Catholic Church to its primacy, and doing away with abortion rights and LGBT rights. They have nothing to offer Cuba but more of the same shit we all had to endure from Bush in America.

The Cuban embargo should be lifted in total and without preconditions. The US Navy should withdraw from Guantanamo, and the land should be returned to the Cuban people.

The US should normalize relations with Cuba, and terrorists like Posada Carriles should be extradited to Cuba or Venezuela to face justice.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 01:30 AM
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34. He must be talking about the boms they plant in Cuban hotels
Edited on Tue Aug-21-07 01:30 AM by killbotfactory
Bombs transform shape pretty quickly, and send a clear message.
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jmp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 06:20 AM
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40. Just out of curiosity ...
What the hell do you know about Cuban Americans? CANF is a small special interest group that represents itself and no one else.


"The Cuban embargo should be lifted in total and without preconditions. The US Navy should withdraw from Guantanamo, and the land should be returned to the Cuban people."

Why should the US give up it's base in Guantanamo?


"The US should normalize relations with Cuba, and terrorists like Posada Carriles should be extradited to Cuba or Venezuela to face justice."

He was tried and acquitted twice for that bombing already.

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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 04:39 AM
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36. Well, good for him
I'd like to see a lot more of that sort of specificity from Obama.
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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 06:11 AM
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39. WOW!!! Awesome move, abou time....nt
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 06:26 AM
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41. He is my close second choice, but
While this policy will be popular here, announcing it during a campaign is not a good call. The risk far exceeds the potential gain.

The upside is limited because few people care about Cuba in this country, so even a good policy isn't going to resonate with many.

The downside is the people that do care about Cuba most passionately will not like this & they are in Florida which, if the last two elections taught us anything, needs to be won convincingly. Cubans here in Florida are very excited about the prospect of Castro's death, ANYTHING that looks like it may help the existing government will be protested.

Another downside is how this policy is easily spun by his opponents as another example of his inexperience (this will be spun and spun and spun until he is left on the defensive).

I don't see how this wins him anyone new, and it definitely risks putting a large number of people off and risks a critical state.

Good Policy, Bad Campaign Strategy.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 06:27 AM
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42. The article said "last week, the Miami-Dade Democratic Party came out against the restrictions."
This is such damned good news!

Some DU'ers may remember that the Miami right-wing reactionaries rushed over to the Miami-Dade vote recount in 2000, and helped the Republican a-holes create so much noise around the recount center, even chasing one of the vote recount people down the street, shrieking he was carrying away some votes secretly, until they accosted him and learned, of course, he was NOT carrying off votes, the recount officials finally threw in the towel for Miami-Dade, when they most surely should have just kept counting that year.

Remember this?
But what really may have given the canvassing board pause was a sight that strikes fear in any Florida politician, especially elected Dade County judges like Lawrence King, the board's chairman: angry Cuban voters. They marched on the Clark Center after a conservative radio station, Radio Mambi, broadcast interviews with two Cuban-American G.O.P. members of Congress, Lincoln Diaz-Balart and Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, who decried the board's moves. For Miami's Cubans, almost 80% of whom voted for Bush, this election is mostly about avenging Elian Gonzalez. One of Judge King's paid political consultants is Armando Gutierrez, the man who distributed the Orwellian videotape of Elian denouncing his father last spring.

Democrats last week called for a federal probe of the incident. Sources close to Democratic Miami-Dade Mayor Alex Penelas tell TIME that a G.O.P. intermediary, Miami political consultant Herman Echevarria--at the behest of state Republican leaders--tried to approach Penelas Wednesday morning to see if the mayor "might talk" to the canvassing board. The sources say Penelas preferred to stay out of it. (Dade elections supervisor David Leahy, a board member, also works for Penelas.)
(snip)
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/time/2000/12/04/mob.html

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CONTESTING THE VOTE: MIAMI-DADE COUNTY; Miami Mayor's Role a Riddle In Decision to Halt Recount


December 1, 2000, Friday
By DON VAN NATTA JR. AND DEXTER FILKINS (NYT); National Desk
Late Edition - Final, Section A, Page 1, Column 4, 1923 words

- Some Democrats suspect that Miami Mayor Alex Penelas, himself a Democrat, either influenced Miami-Dade County Canvassing Board's decision to halt recount of presidential ballots or, through inaction, created political room for canvassers to stop hand tally; say privately that Penelas double-crossed Vice Pres Al Gore to advance his own political future; Penelas had lunch with Republican state legislator even as county's hand recount was racking up dozens of new votes for Gore; later, he met with other Republican lawmwkers, who are significant to him because Florida's Legislature will draw new Congressional districts in 2002 and Penelas has hopes of running for Congress; Penelas says he had nothing to do with decision to halt recount; phone records released by his office suggest mayor was working both sides of political fight after the election, especially in days surrounding last week's canceled recount.
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20E10FC3A590C728CDDAB0994D8404482&n=Top%2fReference%2fTimes%20Topics%2fPeople%2fP%2fPenelas%2c%20Alex

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Miami has caused Democrats so much goddamned trouble. It's really TIME to stop trying to appeal to their right-wing reactionary leaders, trying to court them every election, and start thinking about the REST OF FLORIDA for a goddamned change!

That Obama has taken a stand apart from the reactionary leaders is tremendous. It's a heck of a start.
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mrgorth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 08:21 AM
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44. This is awesome!
Thank God for someone who lays it on the line. Seriously, why would anyone think the Fl cubans would vote dem, ever? Not gonna happen.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 08:27 AM
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45. Here's the link to Barack Obama's op-ed, "Freedom in Cuba," in today's Miami Herald...
Our main goal: Freedom in Cuba

Tuesday, Aug. 21, 2007

By BARACK OBAMA

When my father was a young man living in Kenya, the freedom and opportunity of the United States exerted such a powerful draw that he moved halfway around the world to pursue his dreams here. My father's story is not unique. The same has been true for tens of millions of people, from every continent -- including for the many Cubans who have come and made their lives here since the start of Fidel Castro's dictatorship almost 50 years ago.

It is a tragedy that, just 90 miles from our shores, there exists a society where such freedom and opportunity are kept out of reach by a government that clings to discredited ideology and authoritarian control. A democratic opening in Cuba is, and should be, the foremost objective of our policy. We need a clear strategy to achieve it -- one that takes some limited steps now to spread the message of freedom on the island, but preserves our ability to bargain on behalf of democracy with a post-Fidel government.

The primary means we have of encouraging positive change in Cuba today is to help the Cuban people become less dependent on the Castro regime in fundamental ways. U.S. policy must be built around empowering the Cuban people, who ultimately hold the destiny of Cuba in their hands. The United States has a critical interest in seeing Cuba join the roster of stable and economically vibrant democracies in the Western Hemisphere. Such a development would bring us important security and economic benefits, and it would allow for new cooperation on migration, counter-narcotics and other issues.

more...

http://www.miamiherald.com/851/story/209864.html
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 09:40 AM
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48. Edwards would ease the embargo only if Castro dies, and if he likes the next president
Edited on Tue Aug-21-07 09:40 AM by antiimperialist
Asked about the possibility the United States might change its policy on Cuba when Fidel Castro dies, Edwards said he has supported the United States embargo of a Castro-led Cuba, but if Castro, who recently underwent intestinal surgery, should die, this country should "evaluate his successor and then decide" whether to lift the embargo.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/new_hampshire/articles/2006/08/05/john_edwards_calls_for_immediate_withdrawal_from_iraq/
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 10:20 AM
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52. Barack Obama's position on easing the embargo, as enunciated in this op-ed...
Accordingly, I will use aggressive and principled diplomacy to send an important message:If a post-Fidel government begins opening Cuba to democratic change, the United States (the president working with Congress) is prepared to take steps to normalize relations and ease the embargo that has governed relations between our countries for the last five decades. That message coming from my administration in bilateral talks would be the best means of promoting Cuban freedom. To refuse to do so would substitute posturing for serious policy -- and we have seen too much of that in other areas over the past six years.

We must not lose sight of our fundamental goal: freedom in Cuba. At the same time, we should be pragmatic in our approach and clear-sighted about the effects of our policies. We all know the power of the freedom and opportunity that America at its best has both embodied and advanced. If deployed wisely, those ideals will have as transformative effect on Cubans today as they did on my father more than 50 years ago.

http://www.miamiherald.com/851/story/209864.html
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 09:36 AM
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47. Clinton would call for easing the embargo
Edited on Tue Aug-21-07 09:37 AM by antiimperialist
...if and when polls start showing support for this move, of course.

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bamacrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 09:42 AM
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49. Finally someone says something about this dumbass 50 year old embargo.
We ban Cuba because they are Communist, yet are completely in bed with China. Go figure, but nothing our government does ever makes sense so..
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 09:56 AM
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51. If you read carefully, Obama will ease the embargo on a POST-FIDEL government
Accordingly, I will use aggressive and principled diplomacy to send an important message: If a post-Fidel government begins opening Cuba to democratic change, the United States (the president working with Congress) is prepared to take steps to normalize relations and ease the embargo that has governed relations between our countries for the last five decades. That message coming from my administration in bilateral talks would be the best means of promoting Cuban freedom. To refuse to do so would substitute posturing for serious policy -- and we have seen too much of that in other areas over the past six years.
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antiimperialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 09:44 AM
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50. Hillary's position on the embargo
Hillary Clinton said she would oppose lifting the embargo against Cuba until democracy took root there.
http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Hillary_Clinton_Foreign_Policy.htm
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