Zogby: Hillary surges to lead in Iowa...

Hillary 30
Edwards 23
Obama 19




http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2007/8/20/201526.shtml?s=lh

Note: Newsmax commissioned the poll which is the ONLY reason I would ever put a link to them here...

This is going to piss some people off.

George S. said the three top candidates were tied statistally, I knew that was wrong from the get go....HRC has had a lead in Iowa for about 3 weeks or so.
I thank you for posting this
Ben David

I also wondered if they were playing around with the volume on her ear piece. I would not put anything, and I mean anything, past him.

the one where you drop a kernel of corn in a jar.

I'm waiting for the inevitable claim that Hillary had it rigged somehow...

:rofl:

...and a rollicking good time when a New York Senator and Dem
presidential candidate stands by and does nothing while the
current pResident dismantles our democracy--piece by piece.

Yeah, it's pretty hilarious how Hillary says NOTHING about
Bush circumventing the FISA courts to illegally wiretap
US citizens. Wow, I see why you two are enjoying
yourselves so much! A Dem candidate with nothing to
say about spying on US citizens. It's like a Peter
Bogdonavich film!

It's just side-splitting to watch our pResident amass
power and practically declare himself a dictator who
can deny citizens Habeas and make us stand in free-speech
zones when we have something critical to say! It's
even more hysterical when you realize that Hillary has
said NOTHING about these matters either. What a shame
that I missed all of the laughs before you guys came along!

What a knee-slapping good time it is to watch our country
being stolen by corporations and pay offs to politicians; politicians
like Hillary who take loads of money from big pharma and the
insurance and banking industries. No problem there!
Why...it's like a bottomless coffee cup of joy! Pour me
a second cup!

Why, I practically doubled over when Junior came out of the
woodwork to tout war with Iran! What was Hillary's response?
She practically backed up Bush's plan, talking about how dangerous
Iran is and how "war with Iran is not off the table". I forget...
did she make these comments before or after she refused to renounce
her Iraq war as Kerry and Kennedy did? It's just SO funny, that
it's confusing!

Yep. Laugh it up fuzzball. We're sliding into Fascism and
the supposed-leading Dem candidate, has next to nothing to say
about the way this perverse pResident has trashed our entire
nation, our civil rights, the Constitution and our standing in the
world.

If you can have a glib attitude about that, then I guess I can
believe that Hillary is the candidate for you. You have fun
with that.

...and to get out in the fresh air and start thinking clearly--without
your "I love Hillary!" crossed-stitch pillow, that is.

But it's embroidered...not cross stitched!!!

...Hillary's face bedazzled on the back of your Members Only jacket, too...am I right?

I've so got you pegged.

Get real...wouldn't be caught dead in a Members Only jacket...

How about Garanimals?

You could bedazzle Garanimals.

But if it makes you feel better I don't agree with Hillary on everything...

I hate both the Yankees and Cubs!!!

...dissertation on fashion.

I suppose this conversation could have veered into far worse directions, right?

I'd still like to understand how a progressive Democrat can support a candidate who has been silent and lacking
passion for critical issues that directly concern the fall of this nation's democracy.

But we will have to save that for a different thread!

I'll look forward to that.

:)

It would be refreshing.

I wish I could nominate your post for the greatest page! In fact, why don't you make it a thread on its own?

...would tout these numbers from a Zogby poll.

The vast-right-wing conspiracy wants a Hillary nomination. I'll come right out
and say that I think most of these polls are bunk. Total bunk.

I'm from Iowa. I belong to a local Dem group. No one supports Hillary. No one.

I see Richardson signs around my area and in Des Moines. I've also seen Ron Paul
and other bumper stickers touting Edwards and Obama. I haven't spotted anything
with Hillary on it. Nothing. Yes, I know that's anecdotal, but I am not finding
that reality stacks up with these "Hillary dominates" polls. She dominates nothing
in the real world.

Think about it. These bastards stole the exit polls in the elections. They were
able to hide those results. The MSM is salivating for a Hillary run and they
leverage her at every turn. BushCo is decimating our Constitution our civil
rights and turning our democracy upside down.

Is is really off the mark---given these facts--to suggest that maybe these media-touted
Hillary polls are fixed or fabricated???

Does anyone think that these perverse neocons--who would sacrifice our own soldiers and
slaughter innocent Iraqis--are beyond fixing polls and organizing a publicity campaign
that showcases these polls, to affect the election????

For once, I'd just like to meet a real-life Hillary supporter. Just once! Maybe then
I'll start believing!

Used every bogus argument, conspiracy theory, and theory of the superiority of anecdotal story over science, that is marshaled against any evidence that Hillary is popular...

Have you perchance spotted Big Foot too?

...pay you by the post or are you paid hourly?

Hillary pays me in bumper stickers, T-Shirts, and Buttons...so I can be counted as a donor!!!

Love her muchly.

taken before the very favorable performance and reviews by Yepsen/Des Moines Register and other local media of Obama on Sunday could be reflected in public opinion.

Obama always gets a positive review, but Clinton always gets the bump in the polls. If she was ahead before the debate, she will likely be further ahead next week.

The debate may help him a little in Iowa but it won't make much of an impact. He has been running ads in Iowa practically all summer, resorted to the IWR card, and look at what has happened. He also poured more than 4 times more money than Edwards and thrice as much as Clinton into Iowa during the last quarter. For some reason, despite his regional advantage, he is struggling in Iowa. He is doing well in NH and SC, though. His message just does not seem to be getting traction in Iowa, which unfortunately for him is the first state to vote (and he is stagnant in Nevada as well while Edwards and Richardson are rising. Nevada is the second state caucus...). Still, he is not totally dead. He is 10-11 points out of the lead in Iowa which is hardly an insurmountable deficit. However, right now what Obama should be focusing on in Iowa is holding off Richardson for 3rd rather than the lead. He is much closer to 4th than he is to 2nd in Iowa...

It will be interesting to see what Rass' daily tracking poll shows tomorrow. That will be the first post-debate data...

This one is as valid as the one that has Obama head by a point.

From the Iowa state fair!

I please answer that one and tell folks what they can do with it? *smirk smirk smirk*

Seems like a huge change since other polls are showing a dead heat.

Amerika is SO fucked.

It is odd since last week's Hart/McLaughlin poll had Edwards up by 8. I wonder what the screens were for these two polls. What is consistent is that Obama is in the teen's (18% last week, 19% in this one) and Richardson is in the low double digits (13% last week, 10% in this poll).

A third place finish at the % he is in in this poll would be bad for him...

I couldn't get the Newsmax page to open and the poll wasn't available on Zogby. The above is from a MyDD thread.

http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/8/20/23274/8097

Now thats what big tent politics is all about! :)

Edwards, without the warchests of Hillary and Obama, HAS to win in Iowa/NH/SC(or a very close second) to build momentum in states he is not doing as well in and cannot afford to spend with Hillary/Obama. He has been forced into focusing on three early states and hoping to parlay wins there into a national campaign.

It's not a bad strategy in his situation, but an extremely risky one. The risk with that strategy is that while Hillary and Obama have built a great campaign organization and structure in the other states, at any point they choose, they can bring their money to Iowa and effectively squeeze him out.

Political strategists have seen this one coming from miles away.

*edit for spelling*