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quinnox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 12:06 AM
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Edwards and Hillary respond to Obama's 30% claim
Obama rival John Edwards has been arguing that he is the most electable candidate in the South because he is from North Carolina and Obama and Clinton have never run in the South.

"Senator Obama is right and wrong," said Edwards spokesman Chris Kofinis. "He's right that the American people want change, but wrong about who will bring that change. Senator Edwards is the strongest Democratic nominee because it's his bold transformational ideas that will increase turnout by 30 percent amongst African-Americans, whites, women and all Americans."

Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson responded: "Hillary Clinton is surging and leading in both national primary and general election polls because Americans know she is the candidate with the strength and experience to make change happen. She has a 20-point lead in the primary and is beating the leading Republicans in red states like Ohio, Florida and Arkansas."


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070821/ap_on_el_pr/obama_black_voters;_ylt=AqwGeOge5kbTuhE4QO0h.6uyFz4D
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 12:08 AM
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1. Obama pulled a number out of his azz and will look like a naive, arrogant rookie
Edited on Tue Aug-21-07 12:09 AM by draft_mario_cuomo
Another mistake for Clinton and Edwards to exploit. :)

I liked what Edwards's campaign said. Edwards will increase turnout among all Americans. He also cited the 30% figure but that was probably just to mock the absurdity of dope comment BO made.
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quinnox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 12:11 AM
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2. yup and I really liked Edwards response
lol, he will increase turnout across all voter groups by 30%, not just blacks! Hey, if Obama can pull numbers out of thin air other candidates can do the same. I think there is some tounge in cheek there and humor in the Edwards response.
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 12:15 AM
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7. Obama's truthiness! How about this? DMC-Quinnox
Edited on Tue Aug-21-07 12:16 AM by draft_mario_cuomo
We would increase turnout by 2,035,465,732,634,437,346,734%. Trust me. I promise. I have a secret plan to do it, I'll tell you after I get on the ticket. :rofl:
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quinnox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 12:16 AM
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8. LOL
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rufus dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 02:20 AM
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19. and how was it that Edwards helped the Kerry ticket!
Was it in his home state - Nope lost that, any other Southern state - NO Keep laughing your way to another loss.
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Nedsdag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 12:11 AM
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4. Tell me how you REALLY think!
:rofl:
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 02:13 AM
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18. What a fool, that Obama
"If we just got African-Americans in Mississippi to vote their percentage of the population, Mississippi is suddenly a Democratic state," Obama said. He said Georgia would also turn Democratic and South Carolina would be in play.

Just talking out his azz.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 12:11 AM
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3. I am sorry Obama invited this discussion. Bad idea.
I just don't want him to screw up because he is my candidate for VP.

His message management continues to be a problem. One to two months ago I thought it was poor staffing - now I am afraid it might actually be him.
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quinnox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 12:14 AM
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5. It is him
Edited on Tue Aug-21-07 12:15 AM by quinnox
Obama is torpedoing his own candidacy. Oh well, he still might recover from this series of missteps over the last few weeks but its looking more and more like he might be a flash in the pan.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 12:15 AM
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6. Well, people can still add in America
And have already been calculating African American turn-out, and wondering about minority turn-out in general. Obama could realistically break the red south and that is definitely worth considering.
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 12:18 AM
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11. There is no valid evidence that he can break the South
Edited on Tue Aug-21-07 12:23 AM by draft_mario_cuomo
How does he fare in GE trial heats in the South? The claim he made was based on race. It is absurd. Clinton leads among black voters. If Obama will increase black turnout by 30% that must mean Clinton will increase it by 45% since she is the most popular candidate among blacks. So Obama is telling us indirectly to vote for Clinton because she can win in the South? :)

You also cited overall minority turnout. Who leads among Hispanics? It isn't Obama...So you think we should nominate HRC since she does the best among minorities right now? ;)
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rufus dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 02:22 AM
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20. and what about emperical evidence
Edwards delivered nothing in 2004. JACK FUCKING SHIT!
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 12:17 AM
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9. I think people need to look at his senate primary race first. He pulled off a stunner
March, 2004.
google it.
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 12:19 AM
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13. Yeah, after the front-runner was hit by a scandal
Edited on Tue Aug-21-07 12:20 AM by draft_mario_cuomo
He needed two scandals to become a senator in blue Illinois, lost a House race 2-to-1 and he will magically carry Alabama?
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 12:17 AM
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10. It would have more weight if Obama was even leading among African Americans...
In the polls for the Democratic nomination...but for the most part he isn't...Hillary is...

So don't see this wild upsurge of support for him in that community so far...
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quinnox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 12:18 AM
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12. good point
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 12:21 AM
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14. The funny thing is using Obama's logic we should nominate HRC, not him nt
Edited on Tue Aug-21-07 12:21 AM by draft_mario_cuomo
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 12:33 AM
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15. Today I saw two friends.
I had lunch with a friend who had been out of town for the summer and dinner with another friend - also out of town for the summer. Both are female, early 30s and African American. When they left they were both Obama fans. Today they both told me they are now leaning toward Hillary. Neither could really say why. They had just changed their mind. One of them mentioned that Obama might not be ready for prime time and wished that he would have waited for 4 or 8 years.
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onewholaughsatfools Donating Member (301 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 12:59 AM
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16. well of course edwards, clinton and obama
are the wrong choice to begin with, pay no attention to any of them DK is the man..........If you want true change
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 01:59 AM
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17. God forbid Obama promote his own campaign for presidency
Are you going to get pissed off everytime he makes a public appearance without breaking down, crying about how he's "not ready for prime time, nor black enough", and endorsing your chosen candidate?

Do you really think the "Nuh-uh! I'm more electable *raspberry*" responses from the other campaigns are any better?
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