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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 12:10 PM
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Dodd Campaign: Edwards may not take lobbyist money but he sure acted like it
For all you Edwards supporters who blast Hillary on this, enjoy the smell of hypocrisy.

Dodd Campaign: John Edwards May Not Take Money From Washington Lobbyists, But He Sure Acted Like It
8/19/2007

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* Edwards supported a bankruptcy bill that was vetoed by President Clinton. In 2000 John Edwards voted for the Bankruptcy Overhaul bill. While this bill included a slight increase of the minimum wage, its major design was to revise bankruptcy laws to make it easier for courts to force debtors to repay their debts, while before the law had allowed debtors to discharge their debt. 12 Democrats and 2 Republicans rejected this bill, including Chris Dodd, Ted Kennedy, Paul Wellstone, and Tom Harkin. President Clinton eventually vetoed this bill because it was too hard on debtors.


* Edwards voted for the same bill in 2001, again choosing financial interests over working families. In 2001 Edwards voted for a similar Bankruptcy Overhaul bill that again required Americans facing bankruptcy to undergo debt repayments instead of debt relief. Specifically, the bill required debtors able to pay $10,000 or 25% of their debts over five years to file under Chapter 13, which requires a reorganization of debts under a repayment plan, instead of seeking to discharge their debts under Chapter 7. Edwards voted with nearly the entire Republican caucus in supporting this bill, as well as voting to end debate on the measure. Chris Dodd voted to reject this bill, joining Senators Durbin, Feingold, Harkin, Kennedy, Kerry, and Wellstone. In all, the bill was rejected by 13 Democrats and 2 Republicans.

* Edwards would not allow relief for people who were forced into bankruptcy from medical bills. Edwards also sided with the entire GOP caucus to vote against the Wellstone amendment to the 2001 bill. This amendment would have provided an exemption for debtors who were forced to file for bankruptcy due to medical expenses, under the rationale that health expenses are often unpreventable and can be an especially debilitating cost to low and middle income families. Chris Dodd was one of the 34 Democrats who voted for this amendment?a group that included Senators Clinton, Durbin, Feingold, Harkin, Kennedy, Kerry and Wellstone.

* Edwards rejected a means test amendment that would have protected debtors from sudden financial misfortune. On the same bill, Edwards again voted with the entire GOP caucus to reject an amendment that would have included a more consumer friendly means test than that included in the original bill. The amended means test would have used the average of a debtor's last two months of income to determine their ability to pay a certain threshold amount of debt, instead of the last six months of income. The amended means test was designed to protect debtors who face financial difficulties from sudden job loss or disability. Paul Wellstone, who authored the amendment, said the original test "will make it impossible for families to rebuild their lives." 22 Democrats supported this amendment, including Chris Dodd. Dodd was accompanied by Senators Clinton, Durbin, Feingold, and Kennedy.

* Edwards supported the final version of the Bankruptcy bill that "punishes the vulnerable." Months later, Edwards again voted for the similar version of the Bankruptcy bill that emerged from negotiations with the House of Representatives. He also voted to limit debate twice on the bill, stifling further amendments or arguments. This version was not substantively different from the earlier versions, as it still made it significantly harder for working Americans to discharge their debts through the bankruptcy system. Chris Dodd rejected this bill, along with Senators Durbin, Feingold, Harkin, Kennedy, Kerry and Wellstone. 14 Democrats and 2 Republicans voted against the final measure.


The bill "punishes the vulnerable and it rewards the big banks and credit card companies for their poor practices," said Sen. Paul Wellstone, D-Minn., a leading opponent of the legislation. "We are heading into hard economic times and we're going to make it hard for people to rebuild their lives."
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 12:17 PM
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1. If Edwards says he's sorry, all will be good again
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 12:18 PM
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2. That ABC thread was pathetic.
Especially from an Edwards supporter.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 05:38 PM
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39. I was thinking how easy it would be to do an ABE thread
They don't get that somehow. Anyway, it was locked by the time I saw it, so I didn't go to the trouble.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 12:23 PM
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4. I don't think he can just say he is sorry.
He will be required to say he was wrong.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 12:31 PM
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9. See post #6
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obnoxiousdrunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 12:18 PM
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3. Once he
says he is sorry for his vote we will be allright.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 12:26 PM
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5. Let's see about Dodd's financing if he's going to throw stones....
Edited on Tue Aug-21-07 12:29 PM by EVDebs
http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.asp?CID=N00000581&cycle=2006

Looks like the Big Financiers of Wall Street and the world are all well represented.

And compare with Edwards,

http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/allcontrib.asp?CID=N00002283
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 12:30 PM
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7. One reason I decided to support Kucinich, he is free to say what
he feels is right for our country.
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 10:12 PM
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46. Dodd is at 0-1% in the polls but has raised as much as Richardson, 2x more than Biden
He has also raised half as much as Edwards, a candidate with 11-16x more support than him. How? You are right. Follow the money. Dodd has no grassroots support but he is getting a lot of support from Wall Street, the banking industry, and I believe he was #1 of all candidates among hedge funds--he certainly was #1 among Democratic candidates.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 12:26 PM
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6. "Like a lot of Democrats, I voted for a bankruptcy reform bill
before. I can't say it more simply than this: I was wrong."

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/bankruptcy/archives/2005/04/index.php#005440





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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 12:30 PM
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8. So has Edwards basically apologized for his time in the Senate?
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 12:38 PM
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11. Maybe lol, not a supporter of either candidate, just do not
agree with the selective facts as presented in that thread.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 12:38 PM
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12. That's about the size of it........
He has much "experience" at being wrong and then sorry. I don't believe this is the kind of experience that Democrats should be hankering for, but apparently it will do just dandy (cause he's just soooo cute in his Football uniform, ya know!)
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 12:44 PM
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14. Does it offend you that he admits he is learning.
I think that willingness to learn is a commendable trait. After the 2004 campaign, Edwards focused on learning about poverty issues. It does not surprise me at all that his studies in that area caused him to change some of his opinions. I like that quality in him.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 12:52 PM
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16. Learning what, exactly?
Edited on Tue Aug-21-07 12:56 PM by FrenchieCat
How to co-sponsor wars that don't need to be fought........while spending money on that war that didn't need to be spent? How to NOT read NIE Classified Documents available to you prior to writing OP-eds cheerleadering such war? Voting for Bankrupcy bills that didn't need to pass.......and working for companies directly involved in foreclosing on one's "supposed" constituent's homes in NOLA while earning 1/2 million yourself?

Guess that as far as you are concerned...it's also probably swell to kill a few pedestrians and crash the car in the process of learning how to drive as one practices for the Daytona 500 as long as the driver isn't injured....hey? :shrug:
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 01:07 PM
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23. learning to pander.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 01:18 PM
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29. And doing an outstanding job.......
at it, I might add.....as a majority of DU Edwards' supporters are quite convinced (as a jury might be)that making numerous "mistakes" are an excellent qualifier to list in one's resume while running for the highest office in the land.
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 10:20 PM
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48. This coming from a supporter of someone who wasn't even a Dem until he ran for prez
Oh the irony...
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 04:12 AM
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55. I assume you mean Wes Clark?
You can't expect someone to be active in politics while they are serving as a General in the US Army, and as NATO Supreme Allied Commander Europe.

My feeling is that Wes has done a lot for the Democratic Party over the past 4 years. Enough to prove his credentials as a True-Blue Democrat.

I hope Wes Clark (and/or Al Gore) gets into the race for 2008. Surely it makes sense to have a choice of candidates with executive experience?

COMING SOON TO A BOOKSTORE NEAR YOU

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slick8790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 01:41 PM
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31. Well isn't that the pot calling the kettle black, from a Hillary supporter...n/t
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 04:01 PM
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37. He must be student of the Hillary camp then.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 05:32 PM
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38. I do not expect any candidate to be right about everything.
I do expect them to learn. I think that Edwards learned a great deal about poverty and economics since he left the Senate. After all, he focused on educating himself about those fields. Very few legislators understand poverty and the economics of poverty.
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 10:23 PM
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49. He cast hundreds of votes. They take 2-3 and claim he is disavowing his entire record
Edited on Tue Aug-21-07 10:25 PM by draft_mario_cuomo
We could do the same as well. Why do Edwards supporters here give Obama and Clinton a free pass on their flip-flops? Occasionally Clinton is attacked on this but rarely Obama by JE supporters while Clobama fans plus Clarkies (re: Obama supporters) shove the IWR, China, and the bankruptcy bill down our throats routinely...
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 10:14 PM
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47. Edwards was a Democrat in 2001, unlike your hero
Edited on Tue Aug-21-07 10:18 PM by draft_mario_cuomo
When Edwards was fighting against the * agenda in the Senate your hero was speaking at a Republican fundraiser. :eyes: It would be one thing for Obama supporters to attack Edwards as a phony opportunist but it is ludicrous that a fleet of Clarkies consistently do this (because Hugh Shelton fired Clark and dared to express an opinion on him when asked about his former subordinate by a student after giving a speech at a college :eyes: ), given Clark's record.
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 07:15 AM
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56. Wes Clark has already dealt with those issues
See for example the trancript of his interview on NBC's MEET THE PRESS, November 16th, 2003.

Here's the part that deals with the comment from Hugh Shelton.

MR. RUSSERT: I want to give you a chance to respond to some of the comments some of your fellow military men have said about you, because it has received a lot of coverage in the newspapers and on television. This was a question posed to Hugh Shelton, who was the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under President Clinton: “What do you think of General Wesley Clark and would you support him as a presidential candidate?” “I’ve known Wes for a long time. I’ll tell you the reason he came out of Europe early had to do with integrity and character issues, things that are very near and dear to my heart. ...I’ll just say Wes won’t get my vote.”

Tommy Franks, who led the effort in Iraq, said this: Would you make a good president? He said, “Absolutely not.”

Norman Schwarzkopf added, “I do know that Clark’s always been viewed as being very, very ambitious. I mean, he was fired as a NATO commander, and when Hugh Shelton said he was fired because of matters of character and integrity, that is a very, very damning statement, which says if that’s the case, he’s not the right man for president as far as I’m concerned.”

What is General Shelton referring to? Why were you given the ax as NATO commander?

GEN. CLARK: Well, I don’t know what he’s referring to. At the time, he told me I was being replaced so that Joe Ralston could take my position. I think what we had here was a policy disagreement that Hugh Shelton let become personal. I’m sorry he did. He did not appreciate, and I don’t think the others in the Pentagon did either, what was going on in the Balkans. They had a strategy that called for us to be prepared to fight in Iraq or Korea. There wasn’t supposed to be any trouble in Europe. And when I began to warn of it, it wasn’t well-received. But I’d been on the Joint Staff, Tim, when we sat by and we let happen the slaughter of 800,000 people in Rwanda, hacked to death by machetes. We talked about it, we puttered, we came up with plans, we briefed them at the White House, but nothing happened, and at the end, 800,000 people died. And I thought to myself, “You know, that’s a terrible thing.” And as I begin to—I didn’t know it at the time, it took a while to seep in. I realized I had done my duty, but just sort of doing your duty and preparing these plans, that’s not enough. I hadn’t done my obligation. When I got into the Balkans...

MR. RUSSERT: When you were relieved of your duty, did General Shelton mention character and integrity?

GEN. CLARK: Oh, of course not.

MR. RUSSERT: Did anyone?

GEN. CLARK: Absolutely not.

MR. RUSSERT: Did any...

GEN. CLARK: Absolutely not. They gave me the highest praise, two Defense Distinguished Service Medals, a Presidential Medal of Freedom. I have no idea where this came from. But, Tim, I just want to underscore what this was really about. This is about policy differences. I learned as a Joint Staff officer that you have an obligation to speak up.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3476052/


Whether we are prepared to accept Clark's explanation is up to each one of us to decide.

Just like if we want to accept John Edwards apology for his vote on the Iraq War Resolution.

There's no need to take it down to the level of name-calling and hair-pulling.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 12:37 PM
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10. BREAKING NEWS: Edwards Regrets Being A Senator, Wishes To Erase His Time In The US Congress!
Edwards: "I can now move forward as the most experienced candidate."
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 12:41 PM
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13. It takes "real" manly principled presidential courage to admit mistakes.......
after mistake, after mistake and say sorry, sorry, sorry years later!

Did'ncha Know???? :shrug:
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 12:53 PM
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17. Yes, he should be more like Hillary and not say anything eom
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 12:55 PM
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19. Well at the very least.....with Hillary,
Edited on Tue Aug-21-07 01:03 PM by FrenchieCat
The opposition won't have numerous "I'm Sorry about this 3 years later and I'm sorry about that 5 or 6 years later" footage to loop together for the big General Election ad.
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benny05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 12:54 PM
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18. We don't need the interjection of wingnut frames here
"It takes "real" manly".

We get plenty of that from John Gibson, Ann Coulter, etc. It's fine to disagree about Edwards' votes, but really, that frame is juvenile.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 01:00 PM
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21. My bad. I could have sworn that it was Edwards supporters posts that I read
Edited on Tue Aug-21-07 01:10 PM by FrenchieCat
here time and time again announcing Edwards' "principled" courage for apologizing for his support of wrong things while he was in the senate! I added the "Manly" because many of the same supporters are always dogging out Hillary for NOT saying sorry (like words so long after the fact really mean anymore than providing "excuses" for the prior actions).

Not to forget that many Edwards' supporters think that Edwards has a better chance of winning the General Election specifically because he's not a woman and because he's not Black. Although I understand that Elizabeth Edwards strongly believes that he would be doing better if he was Black or a woman (and probably extra better if he was a Black Woman.....although Braun would surely disagree).

Remember that Edwards's the "conventional" imagewise candidate.....who can campaign "anywhere".......as Edwards' likes to point out.

'It's not just a question of who you like,' Edwards said. 'It's not just a question of whose vision you are impressed with. It's also a question of who is most likely to win the general election. It's a pretty simple thing. Who will be a stronger candidate in the general election here in the state of Iowa? Who can go to other parts of the country when we have swing candidates running for the Congress and the Senate? Is the candidate going to have to say, "Don't come here. Down come here and campaign with me. I can't win if you campaign with me."'"

"He added later, 'I think it's just a reality that I can campaign any place in America.'"

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/06/18/228682.aspx


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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 01:16 PM
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28. GOP fears Edwards more than Hillary
http://www.drudge.com/news/97610/poll-edwards-leads-iowa

which is why they've put their money where their mouth is. Murdoch.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 01:45 PM
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33. Why would the GOP fear Edwards? His head to heads have been in decline.
They were able to nearly strangle his primary campaign in the cradle with the haircut nonsense.

He now disavows half the things he voted for as a Senator which makes for easy campaign videos.

I think all of the Big 3 can beat the GOP but all have flaws susceptible to GOP manipulation.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 10:05 PM
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45. Specifically BECAUSE the GOP has been boosting for Hillary eom
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 10:01 AM
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57. Karl Rove's Worst Nightmare, by Joe Trippi
Edited on Wed Aug-22-07 10:04 AM by EVDebs
"Karl Rove's Worst Nightmare, by Joe Trippi

You may have seen Karl Rove's recent attacks on Hillary Clinton in the news.

This is a page straight out of his tired old playbook—Rove is attacking Hillary Clinton because he doesn't want John Edwards to win the Democratic nomination.

Rove knows that Democrats will rally around whomever he attacks—so he attacks the candidate he thinks Republicans can most easily defeat.

It may seem backwards, but Rove and his cronies did the same thing last time around. In 2004, they were scared of John Edwards, so they attacked John Kerry.

Don't take it from me—take it from Rove's own lieutenant on the Bush-Cheney 2004 reelection campaign, Matthew Dowd:

"Whomever we attacked was going to be emboldened in Democratic primary voters' minds. So we started attacking John Kerry a lot in the end of January because we were very worried about John Edwards."

Rove and the Republicans want our opponents to win—because they know John will be the strongest candidate in the general election.

We may not be the richest campaign—but John is the strongest candidate. This time around, the candidate with the boldest ideas for changing America—the candidate who can take on the special interests in Washington, D.C. and win—is also the most electable. We know it—and the Republicans know it, too. But they won't be able to stop us if we have the support of people like you....

It is no secret that John is the only Democratic candidate who can beat any of the Republican candidates hands down. Just look at the polls conducted by Rasmussen Reports—a major national polling firm—over the past few months. They show that John is the Democratic candidate who consistently beats all of the Republicans candidates in head-to-head match-ups in battleground states—and by the widest margins...."


www.johnedwards.com/roves-nightmare

So if you want a progressive agenda of any stipe to have a foothold in the WH in '08 it's between John Edwards and Dennis Kucinich. Right now in Iowa, Edwards stands the best chance of THAT happening, as much as I'd like to see DK's moving in the polls etc. If Edwards was smart he'd snap up DK for a cabinet or other executive branch position of power--VP even.




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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 10:27 PM
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51. What we do know now is that Rove and co. feared Edwards the most in 2004 nt
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 10:26 PM
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50. Obama is the only one who has cited his color as a reason for making him more electable
Needless to say, you were silent on that. Edwards has referred to his southern roots as making him more electable--just like Clark did. :eyes:
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 12:47 PM
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15. !!!!!!!
:spray:

:rofl:
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 02:19 PM
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35. ...
:rofl:
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 03:43 PM
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36. Zing!
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 12:58 PM
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20. Hmmm. Edwards never won the "Golden Leash" award...but looky who did
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Dodd

"The Golden Leash Award was presented to Dodd by Public Campaign, April 29, 1998:

"The Golden Leash is a symbol of the ties between special interest money and elected officials. It is awarded to Members of Congress who demonstrate egregious conduct in the quid pro quo practice of dollar democracy."

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. "Dems like Dodd" give rightwingnutjobs plenty of ammo.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 05:51 PM
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40. Whoops!
Is that the smell of hypocrisy from someone making charges of hypocrisy?

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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 01:06 PM
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22. Unfortunately, Edwards is a mess
Unfortunate, because he has come around to agreeable positions on many issues and he is a strong campaigner. But his 180-degree turns on multiple issues smell of ambition over principle. And then there are the 3 H's, haircut (harmless, but for a candidate nicknamed the Breck Girl with a highly rated Youtube video set to the tune of 'I Feel Pretty' to list it in a FEC filing was the height of ineptitude), the house (probably should have waited on that one until the poverty fighter bona fides were secure)and, worst of all, the hedge fund. Putting half of your net worth (i.e. $16 million) into a hedge fund is just plain greedy. It's what rich people who want to run up the score do. Of course, it then turns out that Fortress was hip-deep in the subprime loan mess, which only makes it worse.

Edwards has turned himself into a charicature of the unconscious rich liberal. The Republicans would have an absolute field day with him.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 01:12 PM
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25. Not if he scripts his first 100 days, like a Bill Walsh 49er team
Go ahead and attack, you think I'm a 'prima donna' dontcha ? In this case, dealing with a party of GOP liars it is really Edwards and maybe DK who will be able to land more punches, if you know what I mean.

Google up accredited investors, the definition is Bush's Base of wealthy. The hedge fund won't come close to Jackson Stephen's billions that apparently funded Bill Clinton's original campaign ! Penny ante is what Edwards has.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 01:32 PM
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30. You're making a fundamental mistake there
The Republicans celebrate greed and, as such, are not nearly as burdened with appearances as social- and class-conscious liberal Democrats. We play on different football fields, if you will, and our self-imposed standards are higher.
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 10:31 PM
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52. Similar things can be said about Obama...
Edited on Tue Aug-21-07 10:37 PM by draft_mario_cuomo
1) $2 million house and the whole Rezko connection to it.
2) Compare the hedge fund to doing legal work for indicated, corrupt Rezko when your constituents froze for weeks without heating in Rezko-owned buildings that you helped get millions of dollars of taxpayer funding for (I guess $168,000 can buy a lot of "new kind of politics" love)
3) Talking about an "empathy deficit" and the need for compassion for others before the cameras when you gave only 0.4% (less than 1/5 the national average--even Dick Cheney gave far more...) of your money (he was in the top 2% of income earners) to charity until 2005 when you became a senator. (Edwards walked the walk and gave $350,000 last year)

Obama has turned himself into a caricature of the unconscious rich liberal. The Republicans would have an absolute field day with him. ;)
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 01:32 AM
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54. Good luck with that angle
You're going after a guy who after college passed on the corporate world to do community organizing in a poor neighborhood, who after law school passed on ambulance chasing to do civil rights law and who has consistently advocated for poor people as a legislator, unlike Johnny Come Lately. Most of his wealth comes from writing, and, thankfully, he somehow managed to avoid using Rupert Murdoch's publishing house.

And while you chant Rezko (gee, that story really has legs doesn't it? Or maybe not so much) your guy is in bed with Fortress and foreclosureville, channeling half of his wealth into a get-even-richer-quicker investment vehicle that is only available to the most wealthy Americans. You really think this is proper for our supposed leading anti-poverty candidate? Edwards has no common sense whatsoever; we'd be nuts to nominate him.
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 10:40 AM
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58. Hero worship at its finest
Edited on Wed Aug-22-07 10:45 AM by draft_mario_cuomo
You are so enamored with Obama that you can't identify the very flaws you see in Edwards in Obama. The right-wing will go after both on the things I mentioned.

That is a lame excuse. What you did when you were 25 does not excuse what you did when you were 35 or 45. That won't cut it.

You're spinning Edwards' record, which is fine. However, you fail to recognize the same thing can be done regarding Obama's record.

Here are some quick bullet points: 1) Edwards fought for working people in the courts for decades. He was not doing legal work for corrupt people like Rezko. 2) You are spinning on Obama. The Obamas were making well over $200,000 before BO's best-selling book was published. Then MO got the big $100,000 raise when BO became a senator, another issue that will come up, as will the practices of her hospital.

==he somehow managed to avoid using Rupert Murdoch's publishing house.==

He has received $14,000 from News Corp. executives. Obama is also #1 on Wall Street, #1 among commercial banks, #2 among securities and investments, and so on. He has as much corporate support as Clinton and more than Giuliani or Romney. Let's compare that to Edwards corporate support...

==who has consistently advocated for poor people as a legislator==

And gave 0.4% of his own money to charity until 2005--less than 1/5 the national average, far less than even Dick Cheney (Edwards gave 28% of his income to charity last year). You really want to discuss hypocrisy???? But yes, he was good when the cameras were rolling.

Part of his "advocacy" for the poor was helping secure millions of dollars of taxpayer money for Rezko-owned buildings in which his constituents froze for months while Obama happily did legal work for Rezko. What "advocacy". :eyes:

The poor were part of Obama's campaign for prez only once, which just "happened" to coincide with Edwards anti-poverty tour. Since then poverty has again disappeared from his campaign. What "advocacy"!

==only available to the most wealthy Americans.==

How evil. :sarcasm: Where are Obama's investments btw? You think nothing can be found on that either?

Rezko does not have legs because the CMSM--which built up Obama for 3 years--did not give it legs. It will definitely be back with a vengeance if he makes it to the general election.

It is ironic to see a supporter of the banking industry's favorite candidate (even more than Clinton or Republicans) invoke foreclosures...

Obama is a fraud. He is everything to everyone. That is how someone like you can love him at the same time Wall Street does.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 10:56 AM
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59. Hero worship? Feh
I'm just sticking with the guy who doesn't have to apologize regularly for his record and his actions. To any objective observer, Obama's personal and political story hangs together much better than does Edwards'; so far, voters appear to understand that.
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 01:08 PM
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24. Why are the dems trashing each other instead of the Bushies and repubs
this circular firing squad thing has got to stop.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 01:12 PM
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26. It's called the primaries........
Where candidates have to first run against each other before they run against the opponent.

This is the time that one looks for the warts, if I recall correctly. Seems like Obama and Clinton's warts are discussed quite casually here on DU.....but somehow, Edwards had his removed or something.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 01:13 PM
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27. Have you told this to the Dodd Campaign ?
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Broke Dad Donating Member (345 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 01:44 PM
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32. Actually Hillary is the master at pandering . . .
Dodd missed his shot in 1992 and now he is a bitter old man. If he wanted to make a real difference, he could have helped Ned Lamont beat Joe Lieberman in November 2006.

But on to the shrill shill Hillmeister . . . of the never admit you are wrong school of politics. War, what war? Voting for it was not wrong . . . the war was just mismanaged. Right . . . sounds like "bring it on" to me.

Take money, lots of money from big insurance, big pharmo . . . but claim not to listen to them . . .

MEMO to Hillary supporters on DU: This election is about CHANGE not EXPERIENCE. Tell "Your Girl" we are not going to EXPERIENCE her renting out the Lincoln bedroom again. REAL DEMOCRATS want REAL CHANGE!
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 01:47 PM
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34. The Lincoln bedroom? Why do DUers revel in RW bs?
"This election is about CHANGE not EXPERIENCE"

So elect the white man from the south who as a Senator voted to the right of Hillary and Obama.

Real change!
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 10:38 PM
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53. What does his color and gender have to do with real change?
Edited on Tue Aug-21-07 10:39 PM by draft_mario_cuomo
Would *'s tenure have been any better if he had a vagina or a tan?
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maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 07:01 PM
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41. If Edwards is going to go after his opponents, he has to be prepared
for the return fire.
Edwards has been as guilty as anyone of trashing his opponents. As noted above, that's part of the primary process. As long as it doesn't cross the line of questioning your opponents' ability to be President, it's fine. The only people who have crossed that line are Gravel, Biden, and Dodd in my opinion.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 07:46 PM
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42. I don't care if they go after each other
As long as it's the truth.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 07:49 PM
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43. Let's vote for Obama and everything will be fine.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 07:59 PM
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44. I am deciding between him, Richardson, and Obama
This vote and his gay rights record in his early Senate career are the big minuses for me. I see no good explanation for this vote. The fact Dodd did the same thing is irrelevent since Dodd isn't a choice for me. This vote, for a person who cares about poverty, is totally inexplicable.
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benny05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 07:16 PM
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60. So who are your 3 candidates in consideration?
Little unclear here.

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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 09:01 PM
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61. Edwards, Obama, and Richardson
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