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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 05:50 PM
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Tim Mahoney, FL 16...we Blue Dogs are "hawks on national defense"
This has been a very aggravating week, and the fact that none of our Democrats are really being upfront about getting out of Iraq has just made it worse.

It started a few days ago, the aggravation that is...when a new neighbor's dog kept barking. It woke us up, it started late night...terrible. We had been warned he was not especially a friendly person, but he still shocked us. We for the 2nd time asked if he could keep his dog under control. He said no, dogs had rights as well, that his dog could bark just as long as he wanted whenever he wanted. I told that to animal control...and they decided to confront him with a few rules. So good for them.

So that started it. I got more upset when I noticed there is less and less coverage of the Iraq invasion, and we all know why that is. Furthermore, our Democrats are not exactly falling all over themselves to get our soldiers out of harm's way.

Then I saw this at Tim Mahoney's site from May. He is not a favorite of mine, he is a Republican who ran for Mark Foley's seat after being recruited by Rahm and our state chairwoman, Karen Thurman. He did not register as a Democrat until after he had decided to run.

This is what I read a while ago at his site.

Mahoney talks about Blue Dogs

As U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi contemplates getting President Bush to back out of the war in Iraq, she has the views of an emerging conservative political force known as the Blue Dog Coalition with which to contend.

..."Mahoney said Thursday he and a group of Blue Dogs met with Pelosi to discuss a $100 billion supplemental spending bill. The bill includes funds sought by Bush for the war in Iraq. Mahoney said the Blue Dogs advised the speaker of their goal: to refocus the nation's military on terrorism.

"We're now in a police action in Iraq," he said. "It's weakened our ability to wage the war on terror."

The president should be free to maintain troops in Iraq, if the purpose is to thwart terrorism. Meanwhile, the U.S. military needs to beef up its capability to fight terrorists elsewhere, including Afghanistan, he said.


Why do they insist on letting Bush keep having his way there in Iraq? They are not about to call for getting the troops out. Not really. None of our Democrats appear anxious to do that.

"We're hawks on national defense, we're pro-business, especially small business, and we believe in balancing the budget," Mahoney said.


A Charlotte County Republican says something very telling about some Blue Dogs he knows. It should make us think. He said:

He knows a number of candidates in such rural counties as DeSoto, Hendry and Hardee who consider themselves Blue Dog Democrats.

"Many times, they vote for Republican issues," Starr said. "Unfortunately, they just don't want the big 'R' beside their name."


There was much bitterness about the choice of the Democratic leaders to pick Mahoney and edge David Lutrin out of the race. There was an excellent blog session on it at Fire Dog Lake. I don't think Lutrin, a Democrat, is done with it yet. Rahm and Karen Thurman picked Mahoney for us, they picked a Republican millionaire.

Handpicking Republicans to run as Democrats in Florida

Tim Mahoney, who became the Representative for the 16th district of Florida after disgraced Republican Mark Foley dropped out of the 2006 election, recently became a member of the Blue Dogs. When he joined up, Mahoney described the coalition as a select group with an agenda. "We're hawks on national defense, we're pro-business, especially small business, and we believe in balancing the budget," Mahoney said. According to Mahoney, he faced a thorough vetting process before being accepted into the group. "You have to be interviewed and accepted by the group. You have to be able to demonstrate that you're ideologically supportive of being fiscally conservative. You show them speeches and statements you've made in the past," Mahoney told the Charlotte Sun, a local paper from his district.

The Blue Dogs have apparently informed the Democratic leadership in the House that they support the ongoing occupation of Iraq. According to Mahoney, he met with Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi and told her "The president should be free to maintain troops in Iraq, if the purpose is to thwart terrorism."


There is so much more in that race that is bound to out someday. People have been tippy toeing around it now, ever since Foley got caught for his actions. It will fester, but then we will learn that others had a role to play in letting his possible crimes continue though his actions were known.

Democratic Party organizations throughout the district, as well as the state party and the DCCC in Washington. Everyone was enthusiastic and encouraging. Glen Rushing, the DCCC point person for the region, told Dave he was "just the type of candidate we're looking for." He offered to introduce him to Alabama Congressman Artur Davis, the DCCC-appointed mentor for Democratic candidates in the region, who following their first phone conversation offered to help him with his race. Rushing then promised to get him in touch with Florida DCCC chief, Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, Emanuel's lieutenant for the Southeast.

Then something happened, something very dark and secretive, something people are just uncovering now. DCCC Chairman Rahm Emanuel found out something that could– and did– change the dynamics of the race in FL-16 dramatically.


More at the link

Now Pelosi is having to try to run the House with a group actively opposing her....a group that actually caucuses together more and shows more loyalty for each other than the Democratic Party. The Blue Dogs.

I have lost track of who said what about Iraq this week. But I did hear one of our candidates said the "surge" was working.

I say that is just wrong. I say it is wrong to play political games while our soldiers die. The New Dems and Blue Dogs have every right to their own views, but when their views mean soldiers keep dying, when our country is being bankrupted.....then they should not be considered so credible.

This "national security first" issue that was foisted on us first by the New Democrats and now by the Blue Dogs...is going to cause us to lose again because our party is listening to the wrong voices.

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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 06:00 PM
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1. Congresscritters who are more in love with re-election than with our country....
...scum...


BAGS!:thumbsdown:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 06:04 PM
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2. It'd be soooooooo NICE
to freakin' FIRE THEIR COLLECTIVE ASS!~
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 06:05 PM
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3. why don't you run as a real democrat against this guy? nt
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 06:19 PM
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6. There was a real Democrat running already.
You need to read all of this...they tried to get the "Democrat" to run in another district by offering "incentives".

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1427

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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 01:00 PM
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23. She won't run because she know that if the Democratic voters of the 16th district
are given a choice between an electable Democrat and a far-left Democrat, the electable Democrat would win.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 06:16 PM
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4. Great post, MadFloridian. Yes, I sense disaster in Sept.
The FISA bill set the stage. What we want, and the American people want, will be forgotten.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 10:35 PM
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9. Yes, it was the FISA bill that sent that feeling.
I have no confidence anything will happen now. Not about Iraq...not anything.

I watched Leahy on C-Span yesterday. He sounded like he would have liked to just go ahead and go after them....but he had the look in his eyes of knowing that right now he could not..that he had no back up.

I am discouraged.
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 06:17 PM
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5. They should just form their own party
Then at least they would be honest about their intentions.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 08:52 PM
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7. Mahoney,...troop increase is working. McNerney now willing to be more flexible.
Read these statements....Good Lord, I have not been keeping up. Now I think I will. McNerney I did not expect this of.

http://freeinternetpress.com/story.php?sid=13239

"Last Friday, Baird told the Olympian, a newspaper in his district, that he now believes the United States should stay in the country as long as necessary to ensure stability.

That followed comments by Rep. Jerry McNerney (D-California) suggesting that his trip to Iraq made him more flexible in his search for a bipartisan accord on the future U.S. role in the conflict. "If anything, I'm more willing to work to find a way forward," he told reporters late last month.

Rep. Tim Mahoney (D-Florida), who was with McNerney, told his local paper that the troop increase "has really made a difference and really has gotten al-Qaeda on their heels."

At times, such statements have been clearly taken out of context. When Senate Majority Whip Richard J. Durbin (D-Illinois) returned from Iraq and said, "We're making some measurable progress," the GOP declared that the Democratic leadership had splintered on the war. What Republicans left out was the rest of Durbin's remarks: "We cannot win this war militarily. We just can't send enough troops."

Some Democrats have shifted their views. Baird said Monday that Congress' debate over the war has destabilized Iraq by sending wary Iraqi politicians back to their sectarian bases of support."

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 09:56 PM
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8. Whoa...he said something very different in July when he went to Iraq.
I did a search because I thought I heard him express doubt before.

What he said on his return this month:

http://freeinternetpress.com/story.php?sid=13239

Rep. Tim Mahoney (D-Florida), who was with McNerney, told his local paper that the troop increase "has really made a difference and really has gotten al-Qaeda on their heels."


In fact McNerney, Baird, and others are now saying it is working.

BUT here is what he said in July...a whole different tune.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/politics/content/nation/epaper/2007/07/30/0730Mahoney.html

Monday, July 30, 2007

WASHINGTON — Returning from a weekend trip to Iraq, Rep. Tim Mahoney today said the United States must begin planning to turn over more political and military responsibility to the Iraqi people.

But in a telephone call from Germany with Florida reporters, Mahoney, a Democrat from Palm Beach Gardens, expressed serious doubts that the current Iraqi government has the capability of resolving the competing agendas being pushed by what he described as "war lords" in key government positions and religious conflict between the majority Shiite and minority Sunni populations.

....""It's clear that the United States does not have the capability of maintaining Ö the level of material and manpower to sustain the surge" in U.S. troop strength in Iraq, Mahoney said. "There will have to be a different strategy."


This is very discouraging.





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TSIAS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 10:51 PM
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10. I don't trust Mahoney
This was a guy, in the debate leading up to the election, refused to even state that he would vote for a Democratic Speaker of the House.

But he had a lot of money that he was willing to invest in this race. He was only able to get 49 % of the vote running against one of the most embarrassing politicians in history. It wasn't Emanuel's strategy that got him elected.

Unfortunately, there's not much we can do. He'll simply outfundraise any primary challenge. Either way, we won't see a real Democrat in this seat any time soon.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 10:55 PM
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11. I agree, but it was DCCC tactics that got the Democrat out of the race.
I don't trust him either.

How it happened concerned me.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1427
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coco77 Donating Member (966 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 12:21 PM
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22. Protest this bastard and the rest of them...
everytime they make a speech...
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 11:52 PM
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12. Same shit happened down in Sarasota.
In 2004, Jan Schneider waxed Christine Jennings ass in the primary.

Last year thanks to Emmanuel, Thurman, and the DCCC, they all got behind Jennings, and sent Barbara Boxer down for a big $200,000 fundraiser, that sealed Jan's fate.

She called the DCCC, and asked why they did this, when she had a primary opponent. They said they thought Jennings was running unopposed.

Yeah, right. They couldn't check their own website.

I'm actually glad Jennings lost 18,000 votes. She's another millionaire, former repuke, turned Democrat, opportunist.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 11:58 PM
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13. The DCCC totally shut Jan out.
They never mentioned her name, even though she beat Christine last time around. They actied like she was not even existing.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 01:00 AM
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14. The thing is, a full 10 months before the primary, Thurman was pushing Jennings.
I talked with her at a Hernando DEC fundraiser, and she was talking about all the wonderful congressional candidates we had for 2006, and was pushing Jennings specifically.

I asked her after her speech, that I thought Jan was running again, and was it proper for her to be giving an endorsement now. She clammed up really quick.

The DCCC really fucked Jan Schneider, and she was clearly the better candidate.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 02:21 AM
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15. Imagine another hopelessly intractable war but with a Democratic Congress and a Democratic President
I certainly don't want this to happen. I do believe that in spite of everything we are still far, far safer with a Democratic Congress and a Democratic President. And I will support Democratic candidates all around. But it could happen. It really, really could happen.

My greatest political nightmare is that in a few years we could find ourselves in an even more devastating, intractable and unwinnable war -- but this time with a Democratic President and a Democratic Congress. And just like with Viet Nam in the 60's the Democratic Party could be ripped apart and decimated by a hopelessly unwinnable war and/or perhaps an endless series of never ending conflicts.


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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 03:17 AM
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16. News flash: Americans Prefer Elected Officials Who Take Action Against Terrorists.
Just ask anyone in your local bar, hair salon or coffee shop.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 03:27 AM
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17. News flash: Americans are sick of the war in Iraq and don't want any more such wars
Edited on Wed Aug-22-07 03:31 AM by Douglas Carpenter
And they certainly don't want to see America tied down in an endless series of intractable and unwinnable conflicts.

Just ask anyone in your local bar, hair salon or coffee shop.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 06:48 AM
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18. Is there any way you can feed Mahoney to the neighbor's dog?
That would make you feel better.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 11:04 AM
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19. That's funny.
:evilgrin:

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RubyDuby in GA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 12:26 PM
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20. And until Rahm Emanuel and the rest of the DLC are marginalized into nothingness
we'll continue to get screwed over every single time.
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coco77 Donating Member (966 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 12:19 PM
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21. Mahoney and the rest of the gang ..
Edited on Thu Aug-23-07 12:20 PM by coco77
are RepubliCONS get the hell out of the Democratic party you rat bastards...Anybody running against these guys?
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 09:09 PM
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24. A pug recruited by Rahm, par for his course. Hey, y'all down in
Edited on Thu Aug-23-07 09:10 PM by MasonJar
Florida 16, find a new candidate from the real Democratic Party and work to get him/her elected. This idiocy has to go!!!!!!!!! Hey, we got rid of Ann Northrup in Kentucky 3rd. Miracles can happen.
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