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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 06:27 AM
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The American people will not elect a crybaby as Commander-in-Chief
Whining that an unscientific poll wasn't kept on a website forever isn't a sign that your campaign is going well:

http://www.dennis4president.com/go/homepage-items/kucinich-campaign-is-awaiting-abc-news-explanations-for-its-actions/
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mrgorth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 06:30 AM
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1. The whining at the debates
is rather unbecomming. We get it Dennis. You're not in the top tier. Sorry.
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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 06:30 AM
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2. Well, I think it's more than that...

...the poll was actually taken down and replaced with a fresh poll, which smacks of media bias. I think it was worthy of note.
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 06:37 AM
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4. I agree. It is a clear example of manipulation and misrepresentation by the corporate media.
We should all condemn that.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 06:37 AM
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5. That's what they replace polls with, new ones
What were you expecting them to replace it with, a ham sandwich?
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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 06:40 AM
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6. No, no...

...it was replaced with a new poll asking the exact same question.

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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 12:34 PM
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19. No, they are two different questions
"Who won the Democratic debate"

"Who is winning the Democratic debate?"

The first one was posted immediately after Sunday's debate. As Sunday's debate was the most recent one, it is reasonable to assume that they are referring to that one.

The second poll was posted on Tuesday. Instead of using the past tense, it uses the present progressive. A reasonable person would conclude that this question refers not to one specific event in the past, but the ongoing debate process. Either Kuicnich can't read or the man is grasping at straws.
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alteredstate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 07:35 PM
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41. I agree, n/t
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kid a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 06:37 AM
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3. Oh Yea, I forgot - they want a war Hawk on political, lobbiest, and media steriods..
Ooops, my bad!
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 12:43 PM
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23. Obama is a 'war Hawk on political, lobbiest, and media steriods?'
:shrug:
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 06:45 AM
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7. Exactly. Another reason I would never vote for him.
Edited on Wed Aug-22-07 06:45 AM by Connie_Corleone
It's an online poll where each candidate's supporters can blitz it to put their candidate on top. Kucinich supporters blitzed the poll, now Kucinich is crying about there being two polls.

I don't see Obama, Clinton and Edwards supporters crying over how Kucinich supporters blitzed the poll to put their guy on top. They've got more important things to deal with.



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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 06:50 AM
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8. Geesh.... What a mean-spirited OP.
Edited on Wed Aug-22-07 06:56 AM by Totally Committed
A "crybaby"? --- By all means, none of THOSE in THIS Party!

A "crybaby" might leave Impeachment ON the table -- where it belongs.

A "crybaby" would never concede an election until the fraud he KNEW was there was exposed.

A "crybaby" would have gone to the well of the Congress and never stopped shouting until New Orleans and her people were saved from the disaster that was Katrina.

A "crybaby" wouldn't stand for a Constitution that was being raped and demolished right out in the open for all to see.

A "crybaby" would never allow a Woman's Right to Choose to be denied her.

A "crybaby" would never stand for an America where only SOME people could marry for love.

A "crybaby" would scream at the top of his or her lungs until EVERY American occupying Iraq was brought home, every veteran had the care he or she deserved, and every country that used to be an ally of ours trusted and respected us again.

A "crybaby" would never stand for undereducated, undernourished, and homeless children while screaming about the "rights" of those yet to be born.

A "crybaby" would never stand for the lack of seperation between Church and State.

A "crybaby" would decry War and work for Peace.

A "crybaby" might try to end our dependence on oil, and demand we fix the environment.

A "crybaby" would scream and stomp until we started fixing the U.S. infrastructure, inner-city schools, and paying down the deficit instead of destroying Iraq.

A "crybaby" would never stand for being disrespected and marginalized by a complicit Corporate Media.

A "crybaby" is what we used to PROUDLY call a REAL Democrat. But, those days are gone, I guess. Now we rely on being the "paler" Republican. We don't want any "crybabies" representing us, nosir. We want a groin-thrusting, fist-pounding, war-mongering, corporate-ass-kissing, bad-ass just like those damned Republicans elect.... just not SO Republican, but just Republican enough. That'll show their sorry asses!

Yeah! -- That's the ticket!

TC



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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 07:21 AM
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10. Wish I could rec your post. n/t
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 10:30 AM
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12. Thanks!
I appreciate that.


TC



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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 12:48 PM
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25. "A "crybaby" would never allow a Woman's Right to Choose to be denied her."
Are you saying that Kucinich used to be a crybaby before he flip-flopped on abortion?
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 05:13 PM
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37. Tellme, what is the difference between changing ones point of view
and flip-flopping??

He hasn't changed it back, so I would say he's grown and learned and come to see things differently.

Have you never changed your opinion on anything??

Least DK has gone the right direction.
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 05:17 PM
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39. I agree.
I think THIS deserves its own thread. ;)

TC


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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 07:32 PM
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40. Timing is a factor
He changed his position just before running for President. Sounds a lot like a certain former Governor of Massachusettes.
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 05:15 PM
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38. Yes.
Edited on Wed Aug-22-07 05:16 PM by Totally Committed
I see it as changing his perspective rather than flip-flopping, but call it what you will.

TC
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QueenOfCalifornia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 12:59 PM
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30. Thank You Totally Commited
Really -

Kucinich pointed out blatent media bias - He's not supposed to do that? You got to be kidding me.

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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 05:10 PM
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36. This post deserves its own thread LOL
Certainly better than the OP here.

Who's the one making this a bfd here on GD-Pol?

Well its not the Kucinich supporters.....

:hi: TC

DR
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 06:54 AM
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9. After the results of that survey showed Congressman Kucinich winning handily, ABC News, .....
After the results of that survey showed Congressman Kucinich winning handily, ABC News, sometime Monday afternoon, replaced the original survey with a second survey asking "Who is winning the Democratic debate?"


From your own provided link.
====

"Whining" is a little ugly a charge to make, isn't it?
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 12:49 PM
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26. He didn't expect them to keep the poll up forever, did he?
:shrug:
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foo_bar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 07:35 AM
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11. flamebait aside, I think Kucinich plays an important role for the Democrats
Namely a lightning rod for national issues the party won't touch, while standing close enough to the party tent to keep certain activists in the fold, but far enough not to set it on fire or make donors faint. Like Alan Keyes he dubs the mainstream repub-lite, tosses red meat to the choir, and is an embarrassment to the leadership but still gets brought on stage whenever the party seeks rapprochement with the faithful (regarding the failure to impeach or immediately withdraw from Iraq, or Keyes trying to explain why abortion is still legal after n years of total republican domination). Thus attacking Kucinich as a presidential candidate seems like a useless expenditure of energy at best; he isn't a threat, and neither are the one-issue voters we need to eke out victories. If this were a parliamentary democracy we'd beseech the Parti du Monster Loonies to join our coalition, but instead we need them to vote for us directly.
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 11:15 AM
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15. well said.
He does serves a good purpose even if he and his campaign/supporters make me roll my eyes sometime.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 12:50 PM
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27. He is useful in making the serious candidates look more reasonable
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rjones2818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 01:11 PM
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33. Bwahahahahaha!
Nah, he's making them look like the DLCish fieds that they are.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 01:20 PM
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34. And yet they continue to have more support than him
I hope that he keeps up the good work.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 10:50 AM
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13. A whiner whining about a whiner.
Looks like you're out too.
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 10:59 AM
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14. Does the OP like any Democrat?
Kucinich won't be nominated IMO, but I will give him the respect he deserves for fighting the good fight.
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wuushew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 11:21 AM
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16. Lieberman
This is not libel, search the archives.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 12:36 PM
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21. Lieberman is no longer a Democrat, and
Edited on Wed Aug-22-07 12:36 PM by Freddie Stubbs
I am no longer a supporter of him.

Search the archives.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 12:35 PM
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20. Clinton, Obama, Richardson, to name a few
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quinnox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 11:23 AM
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17. this is uncalled for
Kucinich is fighting the good fight and he deserves credit for raising the issues other Dems don't want to talk about.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 12:39 PM
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22. Raising issues like the the fairness of unscientific internet polls won't get him elected President
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 12:45 PM
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24. No, but raising the issue of media bias will certainly help.
Which is exactly what Kucinich is doing this for, to raise awareness and call the media on their manipulative tactics. Hell, an overwhelming number of Americans think that the media is biased, sounds like once again Dennis is spot on the issue.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 12:52 PM
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28. But does that overwealming majority percieve a conservative bias or a liberal bias?
:shrug:
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 12:16 PM
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18. It's absolutely astonishing
how some people have gotten so upset about a fucking online poll.
Newsflash: It means nothing!!!!
You DK supporters have much bigger fish to fry.

Guess what - the "corporate media" is not conspiring to hold your
guy down, he's got about 1-2% support.

Maybe you guys should all meet up at the Grassy Knoll and discuss.
I'm a nice guy, Ill even drop by with do-nuts. Wait, no,
make that soy milk and granola.
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penguin7 Donating Member (962 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 12:53 PM
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29. The comments coming in to ABC were impressive
There was some real outrage with ABC.

This is a sign that his campaign is going very well.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 01:05 PM
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32. Kucinich's supporters claimed that he was doing well last time
The results of the primaries showed otherwise.
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 02:18 PM
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35. "This is a sign that his campaign is going very well."
Is that why's he's polling at 1% - 2%?

Oh wait, that's the corporate media, he's really WAY
ahead, right?
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 09:15 PM
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42. Just like he was last time
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 01:00 PM
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31. Aren't you boring yourself
to death with this constant, daily barrage of nasty against Kucinich? You did this the last time too. Good lord, you don't even have to think of anything new, this is all recycled bullshit.

Maybe you enjoy being a jerk? I simply do not get the anger against him or his supporters. WTF? It is mean and nasty to post shit like this, do you really enjoy this? If so it is no wonder you don't like him, he is your polar opposite.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 06:38 AM
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43. Recycled bullshit?
You mean like Kucinich's joke of a campaign?
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