Fuck Dennis Kucinch for taking up space (not much space, but still).

Fuck him for wanting to restore law and order.

Fuck him for wanting to put an end to America's greatest policy blunder.

Fuck him for wanting every American to have health care.

Fuck him for promoting the values held by the majority of Americans.

He's short, I tell ya. And he's an idealist.

Do you want to have a beer with a twerp like that? Hell, no!

So, fuck him!

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Poor Dennis. . .

seen daily on DU. :shrug:

Kucinich's mainstream values are out of the mainstream.

His policies favor universal healthcare, out of Iraq, end to the war on drugs, real environmentalism - stuff that people really favor in this country. And yet somehow he's a radical.

the mainstream candidates ignore Mainstream Americans.

Clean up media and you will get some discourse. Don't hold your breath

Many people can't tell the difference.

Popular culture is what people like and believe.

Corporate culture is what we're told to like and believe.

We are brainwashed with corporate culture to such an extent that ultimately -- for all but the most defiant and vigilant -- corporate culture becomes popular culture.
And that, ladies and germs, is how propaganda works.

:thumbsup:

If you happen to live in a country where the media is controlled by a few of the privileged, public "opinion" is being manufactured for you daily.

The nerve of that guy being logical :mad:

Nice post! :thumbsup:

K&R

Definitely a "gotcha" moment.

Fuck him. We need a politician who is a slave to the corporations, and doesn't give a rat's ass about anything but money and power!

(:sarcasm: because some people won't recognize it any other way.)

(just thinking...)

you know-there's "freedom", and then there's "Freedom™", that Republican version, the kind that isn't Free (it costs a buck-oh-five)
:D

I'll add, fuck him for marrying a woman 29 years younger than him, fuck him for all his anti-abortion votes in the past, fuck him for making a blatant political flip-flop on such a crucial and personal issue, fuck him for being a political slacker who now wants to jump straight from inambition to leader of the free world, and fuck him for being such a lousy campaigner that he helps the other party.

I like him, but fuck him for his faults.

And what happened to not tearing down other people's candidates?

Who's freakin' business is that? From what I've seen, she's a smart woman, and clearly knew what she was getting into.

As for the anti-abortion votes...what? A guy can't learn? He was raised a Catholic. I'm not concerned about how he USED to vote...his record now is pretty clear, IMO.

A political slacker? Yeah, such a slacker to fight the greed of banks and private electric companies in Cleveland, saving the citizens huge amounts of money, but sacrificing his own political future. A slacker for having the courage to say what all those "legitimate" candidates are too f*ing cowardly to.

Such a lousy campaigner he helps the other party? Wow. That's sure stretching it. The worst problems Kucinich has in campaigning are his height and the media's constant denigrating and ignoring him. But, I hardly think he helps the other party :eyes:

I say f* those who dismiss him based on style, rather than substance, and the media for treating him like a fruitcake, and the "legitimate" candidates for being too cowardly to take the stances he does.

It's not "how he USED to vote," it's how he voted his entire career up until 2004, when he began campaigning. Even after he began campaigning he was anti-choice, until he realize he couldn't get the Democratic nomination, when he abruptly flipped his position, overnight. Went from "Abortion is murder" to "hey it's no big deal." Overnight.

Maybe he's sincere now and was lying then. Maybe he's lying now and was sincere then. Maybe he doesn't give a rat's ass either way. My only point is that he isn't this great pure champion of liberalism, he's exactly the same type of politician as all the rest, only not really good enough to get many votes outside his district.

I like him. I just hate the black-and-white fundamentalism of DUers who see him as a saint and others as "fatally flawed." He's a politician, that's all. Just as tarnished, just as admirable, just as human as every other one running. He's just not as good at it.

:rofl:

Quick - get your tongue out of your cheek!

You forgot to mention that he is unelectable unless we make him electable. :toast:

corporate posterior. I don't think very many people in this country--DU included--realize what an uphill battle it will be to elect ANYONE not connected to the system. And I mean REALLY not connected to the system.

Wake up America!:kick:

No wonder that they cut him out, hamming it up for the camera, as usual. Why can't he take this stuff seriously, like the mainstream candidates?!:sarcasm:

You can't have peace here, this is the war country.

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that he was one of them durty hippie types.

Not at all the type we want to run our country. He has actually worked to make himself better that woo woo.

than Obama, but much taller than the rest. I like the subliminal message he is sending out. I would not want to have a beer with him but I would want to have a glass of wine with him. As for the rest, yeah, fuck him is right.:hi:

He opposed the Iraq war since the beginning, like anyone with any sense would have done, despite being accused of being "unpatriotic," and has consistently voted against funding it, hoping to bring our troops home. This is a man who is not afraid to speak out or take a stand. People think that he has nothing to lose, since nobody takes him seriously, but I do, and am gratified to know that others are, as well. :patriot:

I wouldn't want to have a beer with him, either, but would gladly accompany him to a vegan restaurant...:D

He's one dude that anybody could get off on having a nice uninterrupted hour of policy wonkery with. (If your thing is monetary policy, you'd do better with Elizabeth, though.)

He got the most ovations at the debates and Obama has to like him, as well, since he probably says a lot of things, like his opposition to the war, that Obama has to walk a fine line on, as well as the other "mainstream" candidates. I love Dennis, who has been my candidate, outspoken and not afraid to take a stand, since 2003...:-)

But the caption said that he was left of Obama, who was the first one on the left in their pic, so I finally found the photo that included DK. It's not enough that he gets no mention on the news channels, after his brilliant performance in the debates, but they cut their photograph to leave him out...:-(

:)

:-)

And apparently this is not a new stance for Dennis. He also made the peace sign as "Boy Mayor of Cleveland...":patriot:

Even Hillary, LOL. Apparently, the only candidates who feel secure are Dennis and Joe Biden...:rofl:

Dennis, Biden and Howard Dean.

But you're absolutely right. Dean looks very comfortable in that group, as well he should. He has done an amazing job as DNC chair...:patriot:

he's lettin' em hang out - go kucinich

He doesn't just speak out, but does it with enthusiasm and good humor. BTW, welcome to DU lame54! We're so glad to have you with us!:toast:

less happy appearing, the closer they are to Hillary?

Dr. Dean is the last person smiling and he's right in the center. Poor Chris Dodd looks absolutely morose! I think that Hillary is probably bummed since she wanted to be in the middle, since that's usually where they put her, as the only woman present. Or maybe they look progressively less happy, the further they are standing from Dennis? LOL. Obama looks absolutely joyous! Thanks for the astute observation.:D

less happy the farther they are standing from Dennis.

:toast:

I love big smiles!

I flip the peace sign all the time. ;)

Fuck Him!

:wtf:



Heh!

:evilgrin:

doesn't he know that is hard work. :sarcasm:

and unreasonable.


:eyes:

how loony!!!111

Get real! He's just too hokey!. Peace, Kim

Go Dennis!

Yeah, fuck em.

:applause:

Blonde's don't have shit on red heads.

http://www2.kucinich.us/elizabeth

I'm too mature to notice that she's a lovely, six-foot tall Brit.

She would be the most stunning First Lady since Jackie Kennedy - and the first with a British accent! Her good heart and kindness illuminate her face.

... for the first time since Tony Blair's last visit.

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And I heard him say the "L" word - LOVE. Fuck that shit.

(Do I really need the "sarcasm" smilie here?)

as well as toe jam, belly-button lint, dandruff and halitosis and doesn't use underarm deoderant who gives solace to our enemies.

Fuckin' subversive trying to draft our young voters into an army of no-good anti-American insurgents, I tell 'ya!

Someone feed that creepazoid a Big Mac!

LOVE?
Get with the times, man! Love is so yesterday. What are you? SOME KIND OF FUCKING HIPPIE??? :grr:

...he might be "less divisive."

Then we could invite him to a Georgetown cocktail party.

---

And some elevator shoes. And he'd have to wipe that genuine smile....er, silly grin off his face.

And for God's sake, don't let the man speak. He trips all over himself just trying to get a word out!

And give some thought to the hors d'oeuvres: "Where's the Beef?" is out for the evening, as weird as that might sound! (He has actually *refused* contributions from a major Texas Cattlemen's Association, has old Squeaky Clean DK.)

...than any other candidate

as if wanting another candidate means you want a corporate shill and hate healthcare for all.

Get real and maybe I'll consider voting for your guy.

A Department of Peace! Hahahahahahahahhahah!

If Dennis wanted to promote peace as president, then he should nominate advocates for peaceful diplomacy as Secretaries of State and Defense. I can't see the point of creating a whole new department. As a matter of fact, the whole notion of a Department of Peace was one of the things that made me decide that Kucinich was not a realistic candidate. Add in his flip-flopping on abortion and flag-burning, and he seems more like an anti-war panderer than a true progressive.

Looking at Kucinich's departure from a "conventional" cabinet was a deciding factor that made me look more closely at his background and current platform.

I'm thinking about the 1979 change the name- Dept of Health, Education and Welfare... so that by 1980 education could be more focused? It dropped out of HEW when reforming to the present Dept of Health and Human Services? What happened to our focus on education? Was it better to wait until after elections to change administration's policy? There is no mission and vision to be found in former "E" of HEW.

We have a real focused policy present with the concept of "PEACE" in a Kucinich cabinet, IMO!

:hippie: ... "we need a peace emoticon, man"

Tell me, who's the last advocate of peaceful diplomacy that we had as Secy of State?

and if not...what are we going to do?

Certainly starting with a different kind of dem than the current corporate crop is a good start.

DR

where can you go to hear the truth, anyways?

You're sure to confuse the public, who are not accustomed to politicians saying things that actually make sense!:)

And you really should stop all that talk about peace. Just get back in step with your bloodthirsty government masters who want MORE war...not just war in our time, but war for all time.

Oh, one more thing, Dennis - when you win the nomination, please select RFK Jr. as your running mate (the only suggestion in this post which is *not* written in jest)!

If he weren't delusional, he could have had a committee chairmanship by now and made a REAL difference to America instead of running for President on the "I'm not like those Democrats" ticket every four years. He's definitely been in Congress long enough.

she might not like you on her turf.

Kucinich makes them irrelevant.

Like Obama has, while still funding the war.

(then 'apologized' for that vote) and even after the 'apology' still voted to fund the Iraq 'war' (aggression).

Gee, I hope you're not married to someone who says, "Honey, I SWEAR I won't EVER do it again" and then take the lyin' SOB back who will just continue to lie and cheat/drink on you, b/c it's the EXACT SAME THING HERE with Hillary (and probably Obama).

It was a mistake for him to vote to fund the war. It was a mistake for him to vote against the Kerry-Feingold amendment which would have funded the troops while withdrawing them. Obama won't admit his mistakes, and neither will his supporters.

'Hillary SAID she made a mistake (in voting for the IWR), but then when Congress was asked to authorize Billions in additional funds to CONTINUE the war, Hillary voted to hand those funds over ~ without any restrictions, timetables for withdrawal, etc. ~ thus aiding and abetting a CONTINUATION of the 'war'. That's not the vote of someone who has realized the 'mistake' of voting for the IWR.

If you, or anyone, believe that she's *sorry* for her vote, without any evidence of action behind those words of hers....well, as P.T. Barnum used to say, "A sucker's born every minute".

when the congress was asked to authorize billions in additional funds to CONTINUE the war, Obama voted to hand those funds over, without any restrictions, timetables for withdrawal, etc. ~thus aiding and abetting a CONTINUATION of the "war". That's not the vote of someone who claims to have been "against the war from the start"

then why the Hillary avatar?

(Not an attack, just curious.) :)

Wow.

Sorry that I'm not a single issue person. The reality is, every first and second tier candidate with the exception of Kucinich, has supported the war in some way, via the initial Iraq invasion vote, or via Iraq funding votes. How typical of you, DutchLiberal, to try to insinuate that Hillary supporters somehow support the war for supporting Hillary. I'm reminded of your "you hate democracy" rants against me, when I pointed out to you that Hugo Chavez expells foreign critics from his country.

What's "typical" about my post? Do you know me personally, that you have such great knowledge about what is "typical" about what I write? I did not even remember you from a Chavez-thread, so don't take my criticism as an attack against you personally. Really, who is behind a certain post is of no importance to me. If you think I was "ranting", that just shows you can't take criticism, or you think everybody should always agree with you. Otherwise, please point out where exactly I "ranted". By the way, you still never responded to the fact that Chavez has not expelled any foreigners.

I'm insinuating nothing. Please do not put words in my mouth. I merely questioned your "Dennis Kucinich is the only true anti-war candidate"-comment with which you attacked Barack Obama. I find it highly questionable to support Hillary while at the same time attacking Obama about his comments on (the Iraq) war; and at the same time acknowledging Dennis is the only true anti-war candidate.

You have a right to your opinion, and I have the right to think you have bad judgment if you think sending over 3,000 Americans and over 650,000 Iraqi's to die over lies is "just a single vote". Like it's nothing...

Ya, Obama has surely been marginalized by that Kucinich guy. He's eating up all of his support.

Please.

Kucinich is what I call an all-or-nothing Democrat. He swings for the fences on every issue, every time, and mostly he just strikes out. He can get elected mayor of a city, and he can get elected to represent a heavily Democratic district in the House, but he has pretty much hit his personal glass ceiling, unless he moves to Hawaii or Massachusetts. Kucinich couldn't even win a Senate race in Ohio, let alone the Presidency of the United States.

Progress in this country comes by way of compromise - always has, always will. Does that mean I'm with the DLC? No. The DLC's positions were moderate 15 years ago; they are conservative now.

What it does mean is that you can not go around screaming for impeachment and socialized medicine, cutting off the funding for the war, making homosexual marriges legal nationwide etc., etc., all RIGHT NOW without scaring the American people. Americans want progress, but they want it at their own pace. If you let that happen, then you will get everything you want - eventually. Every time you compromise, progress wins. Take civil unions, for example. Would I rather homosexual marriage be the standard? Of course. But the country isn't ready for that yet. They are, however, ready for civil unions. So, you take what you can get, now. The important thing to remember is - everywhere civil unions are legal, they are legal for good. We are never going to get to the point where homosexual arrangements are not legally recognized in any of those places again. Now, once civil unions have been in place for a generation or so, marriage is certain to follow. You could jump up and down and scream that anything less than full marriage RIGHT NOW is unConstitutional, and you'd be right. But fat load of good it would do you. The Supreme Court isn't going to rule in your favor, and the American people, for the most part, aren't going to be backing you, either. Take civil unions - for now - knowing that marriage rights are on their way in the future, and you have made progress, which is the name of the game. Swing for the fences and demand gay marriage immediately or nothing, and you'll get the nothing. Guaranteed.

Impeachment? Please. Point me to the 17 Republican Senators/Joe Lieberman who are going to vote to make Nancy Pelosi POTUS - assuming you get impeachment in the first place. Hold on to your hats and we'll have the Presidency in 17 months. Freak out and scare everyone and it'll be 65 months, at best.

Obama showed the judgement that Hillary and Edwards did not when he opposed the war from the start. He showed the wisdom on when to pick his battles (i.e., not over funding soldiers while they are on the battlefield) that Kucinich has never come close to having. He is the only candidate who has been realistic in his appraisal of this war from the beginning to this point.

Oh, and he hasn't accused my entire generation of being lazy, unlike a certain former first lady. And no, I am never going to forgive her for that. And anyone under 30 who does ought to be ashamed of themselves.

Reffa, I agree with you on some points..disagree on others.

Here is where I agree. On impeachment...Yes, we don't have the votes right now...HOWEVER, that doesn't mean we don't press to investigate certain things that have been done by the administration, and our side of the aisle isn't willing to do that.

"Progress in this country comes by way of compromise - always has, always will.

Progress by compromise? It happens...However, always? No. Remember..."Power concedes nothing without demand."

"Every time you compromise, progress wins."
History doesn't exactly jibe with this one.

In 1776, the Signers didn't compromise...In 1781, the colonies where free...By 1787, the United States had a constitution.
In the 19th century, we had the Missouri Compromise.....The "progress" took about 60 years....The real progress took about another 100 and the compromise had nothing to do with it.

In 1861, Abraham Lincoln didn't compromise. In 1865, the Union was restored.

William McKinley compromised with the robber barons and built a guilded age.
Teddy Roosevelt didn't compromise...and broke up the trusts...
Franklin Roosevelt didn't compromise...and built a system which built American prosperity that we enjoy now....and that the McKinleyists of today want to take away.
Harry Truman didn't compromise...and integrated the Armed Forces.
Rosa Parks didn't compromise...and Martin Luther King didn't compromise...and Cesar Chavez didn't compromise...and students across this country didn't compromise....In turns they gain rights for citizens and help stop a war.

In 1980....Ronald Reagan compromised...and we're still paying for the lack of progress.
In 2000....George W. Bush and a band of compromisers got into office...and led 6 years of American retrogression.


On some issues we are not at a point where we can compromise. For example "socialized medicine". In my mind, and my copays can attest...Compromise isn't an option. To 50 million uninsured people, compromise isn't option.
Imagine telling a Frenchman, a Brit, a Swede, or a German..."You have to compromise that nation health care". They'd be in the streets in one minute flat saying...NO COMPROMISE!

"What it does mean is that you can not go around screaming for impeachment and socialized medicine, cutting off the funding for the war, making homosexual marriges legal nationwide etc., etc., all RIGHT NOW without scaring the American people.

I'm not scared of two men or women getting married. I'm hella scared of what my HMO will do to me next.

On the matters of things like the Patriot Act. Compromise isn't an option. Repeal it, NOW.

"Obama showed the judgement that Hillary and Edwards did not when he opposed the war from the start. He showed the wisdom on when to pick his battles (i.e., not over funding soldiers while they are on the battlefield) that Kucinich has never come close to having.

Kucinich showed the wisdom were it counted, In his vote. Barack Obama was in the Illinois State Legislature when the deal went down on this war. Dennis Kucinich had to put a vote down on it, and he voted NO. He had the grit and wisdom to ask the tough question and make the call.
As far as the funding soldiers issue. I don't agree with the entire Democratic Party on this. I think we should have sent the funding bill to President Bush with the timetables. Put the President in the box. If he signs it, then he gets the money but he has to adhere to the timetables.
If he vetos the bill, even better. We have the ultimate selling point to the American people. Who's really supporting our troops? We gave him the money he asked for...AND HE CHANGED HIS MIND.

"He is the only candidate who has been realistic in his appraisal of this war from the beginning to this point."

Actually, the only person who has been realistic in his appraisal of the war, is the only candidate who put his vote where his mouth is. And that candidate is the "all-or-nothing" Democrat from Cleveland. Yes, he is swinging for the fences. Because we have to. This country is 5 runs down in the bottom of the 9th with 2 outs. We've been bunting for 7 years...What has it gotten us?

We've had a single-pay universal health care system in Canada for over 40 years (similar to what Kucinich is proposing -- and IT'S NOT SOCIALIZED MEDICINE, either; that's the corporate, right-wing, scare-tactic word for it, and it's also wrong because "single-pay" and "socialized" are two different concepts). While we now consider our health system one of our birthrights, you guys are still arguing about it, even though you have a successful model to follow up here.

Homosexuality was completely legalized here in 1968. You didn't get rid of your sodomy laws until 35 years later.

A couple of years ago our Supreme Court gave the Liberal government a year to reform the marijuana laws to accommodate medical marijuana, or else the laws would be considered unconstitutional. After a year of no legislation, the laws prohibiting marijuana were quashed, and we had a whole summer in which we could toke up freely and legally. Sure, the prohibition was reinstated after a few months, but now it's being strongly challenged again and we should have full legalization at least within the next ten years. You probably won't be anywhere near that point until around 2030 at the earliest.

Equal marriage for gay and straight people is now a fact throughout Canada, and since that hasn't made the country fall to pieces, we're not going back. I don't see equal marriage happening in a majority of the US for another few decades, and there are states in the Union where it probably never will happen.

We've been using the demonstrably more logical Metric system since the 1970s. The United States, so irredeemably certain that its way is best, will probably resist it until Kingdom Come, even though all but a very few countries have gone Metric.

A progressive is a liberal in a hurry, and the corollary to this is that liberals are progressives who are dragging their feet. Progress cannot wait for public opinion. Sometimes it has to be imposed and the public must hold its nose and accept it. And the funny thing is, once the people get used to universal health care and other progressive notions, they come to wonder how they ever lived without them.

The problem with your mealy-mouthed legislators is that they're just afraid for their phoney-baloney jobs. Take, for an odd example, the idea of replacing the one-dollar bill with a coin, which we did ages ago, and in fact we even have a $2 coin -- because, let's face it, a buck today is essentially small change. Congress has been trying for ages to get people to accept dollar coins, but a lot of people are resistant to change. The problem is, you've also kept the dollar bill, thereby giving those resisters more than one option. You can't do that and expect change for the better. When we brought in the loonie, the public was given Hobson's choice -- we got a short period to convert our money before our dollar bills would be deemed worthless.

That's how progress is made -- through strong action and sometimes by fiat, but not through compromise. Compromise is how you give up. So rather than giving up, I suggest the US try catching up. The rest of the developed world is waiting.

"So rather than giving up, I suggest the US try catching up. The rest of the developed world is waiting.

I'll agree on the health care. The USA needs to listen to its Tommy Douglas on that one (a.k.a Dennis Kucinich).

But the Metric System? We tried that in the 70s, nobody bought into it and really does it matter? The only place metric should really matter is in science and international trade...and in this country scientists and business work in the SI. It really doesn't matter if the average can of soda is in liters or the highway signs in miles.

As for gay marriage. Unfortunately, a good amount of this country will not fall in line to it. I think it is rather short-sighted, but it is what it is.

To me, any man who'd let the issue who can marry overshadow his economic security is a fool.

The dollar bill? What difference does it make what the dollar is...I'm more concern with what a dollar can buy..and if we keep these current people in there...It will only have value as toilet paper.

I myself switched over to Metric when I was in Grade Six, about three years before the rest of the country. I knew it was coming eventually, so I thought I'd get ahead of the curve. There was resistance among the older folk, but you know, eventually nature takes its course, they die off, and the resistance lessens. There are still people who stubbornly cling to the past for the sake of stubbornly clinging to the past, but most people younger than I am are quite comfortable with Metric, and many of the youngest have no idea what the Imperial system is. (And apparently there are some in your country, too; a few weeks ago on Are You Smarter than a Fifth Grader?", there was a woman who thought there were 352 feet in a yard -- no lie!)

Most of us, even the stubborn ones, can now switch between Metric and Imperial and translate between the two -- we're "bimeasural". We know our weight and height in both systems. Funny thing is, while we measure "things" in grams, litres, and metres, a lot of us still measure ourselves in pounds, feet, and inches, and we retain the knowledge of both because you are our largest trading partner, plus we visit your country a lot -- I'm going to be visiting my boyfriend in Chicago over Labour Day weekend. And those of us who are actors, for instance, list our weight and height on our résumés as Imperial measurements as well, because a lot of producers are American.

As to same-sex marriage, it should matter not one whit if a good amount of Americans will not fall in line to it. Just stop dawdling and do it. I was taught that the US was founded on ideals of liberty, individual rights, and social justice, which had never happened before in the history of the world and which was truly remarkable for its time. And then something weird happened that made American social progress slow down, I'm not sure what -- maybe the Civil War or the triumph of extreme capitalism during the 19th century. But if you want to regain your pride of place as a shining beacon of enlightenment, I'd suggest that you get back to your progressive roots. For that you need someone with a firm hand, the instincts and tenacity of a pit bull, and the passion to make things better for all Americans. Gay people pay taxes just like everyone else, so they shouldn't be treated like second-class citizens, which I gather you understand. You can have both social justice and economic security. The loonie is almost at par with the greenback, and the Toronto Stock Exchange has been running several hundred points ahead of Dow Jones for almost two years. And not having to pay crushing medical bills that bring on bankruptcy also helps our individual economic security.

The reason we changed to the dollar coin (which looks nothing like the quarter, by the way), other than the fact that a buck ain't what it used to be, is that coins last much, much, much, much longer, which saves both money and trees.

I have the utmost respect for Kucinich, and I think he's finally coming into his own.

What a crazy leftist candidate!

God Bless Dennis Kucinich.

Man, could you be any more of a drama queen?


DK runs around 5% support among dems.
He is a longest of longshots.
The kind that never wins but saps bet on all the time.

Its not personal.
He will never be president.

In the sitcom of this election, He's the kooky next door neighbor to the main characters.

...never won fair President!

We should support a Dem that could be voted in. One who would continue this gruesome war of aggression and do the bidding of much of the current administration. That makes more sense. By the way, the polls that I have seen around here do not reflect your 5%.

so look into your crystal ball and tell me HOW he is going to get people excited about his candidacy? He's been running for four years after all and he's running what? 9th out of 10 candidates.


so why is he totally unable to explain to the public why he should be the nominee?
Totally unable to garner any support at all from moderate democrats?

MSM structures the responses of candidates. Open your eyes, we are controlled by the MSM. We need to stand up for what is right. Backing a Dem candidate that is Bush Lite will not accomplish one thing. Just my opinion. My money goes to Dennis in hopes that enough people will wake the hell up. If he is unsuccessful we are in this black hole for eternity. Peace, Kim

If Kucinich's ideas were coming from the mouths of the taller, somewhat prettier front-runners, more people would find those ideas acceptable. It's a sad fact, and probably the fault of television and the advertising industry. Abraham Lincoln probably wouldn't be electable today. And James Madison -- hell, he was even smaller than Kucinich is.

I hope you would more likely vote your conscience than "go along with the majority"!

when he veers into rants thats everyone cheers for and everyone knows are pie in the sky.He seems to be making fun of the process he wants to grant him the presidency.

He's an excellent wisecracker.
I like it when he talks about starshine and moonbeams, but it hurts him.

I can tell. :)

and thats where I determined he's too quirky to win the nomination, forget about the general.


We don't elect eccentric people to high office.
Sorry to break the news to ya

We dont' have to be cool you know.

... This way, we can complain afterwards that we allowed elections to be stolen, and we did our "best" put up candidates who have been analyzed and made public by those "who know us" and whom we trust so much! :sarcasm:

You proved me right. :)

sometimes everybody is out to get you for good reason.

none? thats what I thought.
If anybody sees things differently than you, YOU immediately think they're brainwashed by fox news? You see fox news robots everywhere you look I'd bet. Thats the paranoia I was referring to.You have no idea who I am or what I believe in, but you felt comfortable calling me names and then you got pissed when I didn't care. What are you in 7th grade?
I don't mind explaining it to you. I just assumed you'd get it.

NOT anybody I don't agree with. But again, that's just another spin from you to make the one who criticizes you look bad.

Do you really think you are being taken seriously by offending a Democratic candidate by insulting them with demeaning name-calling, like you just did with Kucinich? And then trying to frame the discussion as if the other (me) is the bad one?

:rofl:

thats all I expect from you, and thats all you'll get from me.

I don't think stating the obvious is an insult to anyone except to the most fragile.


The obvious fact is; HE WILL NEVER BE PRESIDENT.
He won't even get into the top three finishers for the nomination.

and its not because of any policy position.
Its because he's too quirky.
And calling him quirky is being kind.


I didn't get this from any news outlet.
I arrived at this truth by watching DK over the last several years.

I've written about 1,000 blog posts over the last year and about as many DU comments.

As far as I can recall, this is the first one I've written about Kucinich. But it's not the last.

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no offense intended.

He wouldn't be nearly so brave in making his radical policy pronouncments. That's not a courageous stance; it's a please-notice-me stance.


He has some good ideas, but he has at least as many whacked-out ideas that shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the Oval Office.


Yes indeed: Fuck Dennis Kucinich and his delusions of relevance.

I'd prefer to share a joint with him.

:hippie:

:smoke:

But if not allowed, then a beer will do. And I'll buy. And keep buying rounds all night, as long as he'll sit and talk with me.

you can do it RIGHT NOW on DU/Act Blue.

If those who care about the issues Mr. Kucinich raises donate NOW – HE WILL BE

A TOP-TIER CANDIATE!!


I'm not addressing those who do not support Congressman Dennis Kucinich

and do not agree with him on the issues. I'm addressing those who DO

support Congressman Kucinich and/or do agree with him on the issues:

Donating to the Kucinich 2008 campaign through DU/ACT Blue is very fast.

It's very easy. Do it now!

link:

http://www.actblue.com/entity/fundraisers/12518
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Some are supporting Congressman Kucinich because they strongly believe he can win. Others are supporting him because they support his agenda (or at least most of it) and want those issues brought to the center of public debate.

Mr. Kucinich does not have the funding of the top-tier candidates. Corporate lobbyist seeking government favoritism for their special interest won’t be writing their $2300 checks paying for access like they do for other candidates. But small donations DO add up very, very fast. That's how the Dean campaign became a significant force in 2004.

So whether or not you are convinced that Congressman Kucinich could possibly win...if you want the issues only Dennis Kucinich raises brought to the public square, if you believe his message of Strength through Peace is important, that the whole question of corporate control of government is important, that single-payer universal health care is important, if you believe American needs fundamental changes; his campaign needs a lot more money then it has in its coffers now.

IF anywhere near half the people who agree with Congressman Dennis Kucinich on the issues sent him a donation -- he would be a major top-tier contender very, very fast:

Donating through DU/ACT Blue is very fast. It's very easy. Do it now! I did...

link:

http://www.actblue.com/entity/fundraisers/12518

He won't be getting a whole lot from the corporate lobbyist buying access for their special interest and paying for favoritism... so ...

PLEASE DONATE NOW ! you can do it RIGHT NOW on DU/Act Blue.

It's fast. It's very easy. Do it now! I did…..

link:

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Congressman Dennis Kucinich on the Issues:




http://www.dennis4president.com/go/issues/
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If you don't want the corporations telling you who you are allowed to vote
for donate to the candidate you believe is telling you the truth and who will work for you not the corporations. Stop being concerned about who can win the general election donate so we can have a primary that isn't so sewn up by the choice made for us by corporations that we are stuck with no choice in the general election. I donated to Dennis at his website because even if some of the things he talks about stand little chance of being realized at least I don't think it would be business as usual. The dynasties would no longer rein.

Wanting to get out of our glorious war for empire. Wanting to actually do something about our healthcare system when it's so profitable and the rich can easily get their tummy tucks and liposuctions. Fucking wanker might actually do something about global warming, too; what a useless piece of shit:-)

Makes sense. I want government-sponsored single-payer health care that pays for liposuction (I have a thyroid problem and cannot lose enough weight) and gastric bypass surgery. That would be healthy.

And fuck, fuck, fuck that Dennis Kucinich twerp!!!

Who does he think he is? A Congressmen or somethin'?

GO DENNIS!

actually I'd like to THANK him.....
:evilgrin:

DR

Christ...for a second there I thought The Benchley had climbed out of its slime pit.:wow:

Here's to you for a great thread.

:toast:

It was almost like one of those lounge-copycat threads. Woe is me

Great thread!

the only candidate who states he will end Nafta.

You got me too, I flew in here.

for saying this is the reason for the war

http://youtube.com/watch?v=F48xNhqzQiA

:bounce:

fuck him, I think not........

over here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/home.htm

It sure doesn't present us in a good light, when whats right is is wrong

Just kiddin' (kinda). I do love him, tho.

I give it an "A+"

Sorry. Couldn't keep the irony going.

Nice post, OP. (said neither ironically nor sarcastically)

:dem:

-Laelth

...for acting like a Democrat.

Al From gets a brand new boil and Harold Ford sharts a little whenever Dennis opens his mouth.

O the shame, Dennis.

the guy is more than a little off, and we know in advance a Kucinich administration would be aloof and wouldn't get along with a Congress that would undoubtedly be more conservative.

No media told me to think this way. It's from seeing the man in long uncut segments of his campaigning and speeches.

He means well. He means really well. But he's absolutely not Presidential material.

...That statement is more than a little "off."

The correct statement would have been:

"Kucinich is the only candidate that would place the people's, rather than the corporation's, interests first."

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"We know in advance a Kucinich administration would be aloof and wouldn't get along with a Congress that would undoubtedly be more conservative."

I'm afraid you're more than a little "off," again there, Stevie. The correct statement would have been:

"A Kucinich administration would be very much engaged and would refuse to be cowed or bullied by our AIPAC/PNAC/Corporate owned Congress."

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"No media told me to think this way. It's from seeing the man in long uncut segments of his campaigning and speeches."

As transparently disingenuous as this statement is, I've decided, yet again, to help you with your integrity. An honest statement would have been:

"No media told me to think this way. I've seen how popular Kucinich is here on DU, and have observed how well received he is on the campaign trail speaking truth with sincerity that is firmly backed up by his record, and I just don't like the way this reflects on my favorite corporate owned candidate. I want Kucinich to go away."

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"He means well. He means really well. But he's absolutely not Presidential material."

Well surprise surprise, wrong once again -- but don't worry, gotcha covered. The accurate statement would have been:

"He means well. He means really well. And he's absolutely presidential material."

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No need to thank me, Stevie, I'm here to help.

So, he doesn't look "presidential"...

Well, we have yet to define what that really is... so begin here!

Here's a starter:

Female Prez matl spec's:

Must demonstrate verbal acutiy
Must have strong domestic policy skill set through legislative branch of govt.
Must have strong foreign policy skill set through legislative branch of govt.
Must be at least 5 foot 5 inches
Must dress well to cover any anatomical "flaws"
Must raise lots of money
Must have an attractive hair style
Must be able to draw cross section of voting Americans

Hey... I just applied this to male candidates and fuck if I didn't notice every single one could be met by Kucinich!

I guess that means you need to explain who has been blowing smoke up your ass! :smoke: ..."ooh"

We need fifty years at least to re-educate Americans. People are just too busy and self absorbed to even think anymore. Thank God for Democrats!

The horror!

Make no joke about it though, DU has its share of DK haters.

He does not compromise with the DNC

I won't vote if he's nominated. I don't hate him. He is unqualified to be president - not smart enough, too wacky, poor judgment.

... this is too easy. Are you for real?

What makes Kucinich as president "not smart enough, too wacky, poor judgment"

Interesting.

Been reading his opinions for quite some time, interesting...

Thanks!

:hi:

about folks who aren't the tools of your corporate capitalist masters...

Dennis would DEFINITELY not be on your list -- he actually cares about the People of the Earth more than the corporations of the Earth...

"not smart enough" -- Did you WATCH him in the so-called debates, "George, I've been waiting here for 45 minutes praying that you'd call on me!". He's quick, smart, funny and right. What more does he have to be?

"too wacky" -- define wacky. If you mean absolutely for Justice and Against war in a country with a power structure that LOVES and profits from war and hates Justice, well then I guess Kucinich and the majority of the People in America are pretty wacky. And the majority of people in the U.S. have bad haircuts, too. I guess that's two wackies...

"poor judgement" -- do you have any proof for this slander or did you just add it to end your post with a semi-alliterative grouping of three negatives?

or alcohol whatsoever

but whatever he is drinking is cool with me
being in his presence is pretty inspiring

he's the best of the lot, for my money.

Vote for Kucinich!

in a democracy. Money speaks and it is saying HRC or Fred Thomson. Unless there are a lot of honest Congress-critters willing to put their jobs on the line to restore democracy, it is all over. the Corps are already dividing up the spoils.

:rofl:

I don't see why everyone hates him for being the best candidate, probably because he hasn't been designated so by the corporate MSM.

Of exposing those democrats in name only. All he has to do his stand there.
You can see the way he is scorned by many in the party not to mention the msm.

I knew what this was as soon as I saw the title and recommendations.

How utterly pathetic of a post.

But I still think it's use in mixed company shows a weak vocabulary.

Gentility is no virtue when your country is being fucked up beyond all recognition by an evil political machine and a solicitous press.

Besides, my vocabulary is fine. Thanks to George Carlin, I know six other words.

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As in the 2004 election cycle, when ABC News withdrew the off air producer it had assigned to the Kucinich campaign THE DAY AFTER Kucinich took then debate moderator Ted Koppel to task for questioning "...are you in this as sort of a vanity candidacy?" (full quote and Kucinich's response here: http://www.commondreams.org/scriptfiles/news2003/1211-12.htm ), ABC's motives concerning their recent coverage / lack of coverage are questionable at best. Cropping Dennis Kucinich, the only candidate to speak directly to the issues that matter to the American people, out of a photo before posting it on their web site is yet another means of directing attention toward the fabricated inter campaign feuds, and away from the truly substantive positions that the "top tier" candidates so woefully lack. Does ABC News actually think they can just make Dennis Kucinich disappear? He wins both their online poll and their subsequent replacement online poll, and yet he is utterly marginalized or completely absent in all of their post debate articles? As in 2004: YO! ABC, HOW 'BOUT COUNTING OUR VOTES BEFORE YOU PICK A PRESIDENT?

:thumbsup:

for Dennis....

DR