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underpants

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Wed Aug-22-07 01:20 PM
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AIPAC folks , AIPAC

Yesterday NPR had a nice "prepping the battlefield" piece

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1638673&mesg_id=1638673

and today the Washington Post followed it up with a "what the cool crowd says" piece

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1640001&mesg_id=1640001

This is classic psy-ops

and how could it be? How could the people inside DC ever have come to this conclusion? (let's keep in mind that don't pay people to cover their asses in spin for nothing) What on earth could they be thinking?

AIPAC

Sorry but your government doesn't give a rip about you any more.

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redqueen

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Wed Aug-22-07 01:21 PM
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1. ...

Edited on Wed Aug-22-07 01:21 PM by redqueen

:popcorn:

edited cause apparently i can't fucking spell POPCORN :eyes:

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seemslikeadream

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Wed Aug-22-07 01:25 PM
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2. Will you share?

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redqueen

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Wed Aug-22-07 01:25 PM
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3. I'm a liberal ain't I?

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Ian David

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Wed Aug-22-07 01:26 PM
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4. Bye!

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seemslikeadream

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Wed Aug-22-07 01:27 PM
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5. "prepping the battlefield"

The U.S. has given the go ahead to stir up trouble inside Iran before a possible military operation

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1639363&mesg_id=1639363

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H2O Man

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Wed Aug-22-07 01:29 PM
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6. Yep.

Indeed.

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Tom Joad

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Wed Aug-22-07 02:59 PM
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14. Listen to Bolton talk to aipac groupies....He wanted Iran to escalate the crisis

http://www.stopaipac.org/boltontape.htm

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Poll_Blind

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Wed Aug-22-07 04:41 PM
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21. Bolton is such a nutter! (LINK) I'll never forget seeing his meltdown...

...over the U.N.!

Bolton meltsdown over the U.N.

Thanks Tom!

PB

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Tom Joad

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Wed Aug-22-07 01:31 PM
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7. aipac is a bad influence... it ain't the source of all that is wrong, but it is part of the problem.

See this website
www.stopAIPAC.org

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underpants

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Wed Aug-22-07 01:32 PM
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8. I've never posted about AIPAC before

but that seems to be the WHY to all this cover that everyone in DC has already decided on. Just my opinion but I wouldn't be surprised.

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seemslikeadream

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Wed Aug-22-07 01:35 PM
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10. I learned alot when I was following the Franklin case

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underpants

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Wed Aug-22-07 01:36 PM
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11. Thanks

Bookmarking to read up on it

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H2O Man

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Wed Aug-22-07 01:39 PM
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12. The neocon/AIPAC espionage scandal

gives a pretty clear picture of what has been going wrong in Washington DC.

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Mr_Jefferson_24

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Wed Aug-22-07 03:20 PM
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17. Good links -- thanks for posting. nt.

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Poll_Blind

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Wed Aug-22-07 03:43 PM
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19. Wow, thanks for those links- many of the headlines I hadn't seen at all.

Hopefully this thread won't disappear like the thread about the CNN special- you just never know what's going to go "POOF!"

Thanks again!

PB

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Poll_Blind

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Wed Aug-22-07 03:57 PM
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20. BTW, if it's not already in there, here's "US v. Franklin, Rosen & Weissman" (PDF)

US v. Franklin, Rosen & Weissman

PB

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H2O Man

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Wed Aug-22-07 04:54 PM
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23. We should be

keeping as close an eye on this case as we did the very closely related Plame scandal.

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Poll_Blind

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Wed Aug-22-07 05:03 PM
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24. I agree but I think that some of the questions posed are too politically "hot"...

...to receive and answer publicly or legislatively. Of course, Israel isn't the only one manipulating policy- there are a whole host a countries and corporations who are all gaming the system (at best) or (at worst) committing acts like those Franklin et al. are accused of. Realistically, to begin to attempt to rectify things would take a sea-change in our congress and in the White House.

The whole system promotes some level of corruption. As Americans we are kept generally in the dark and are trained to be un-curious about the machinery of our government. I don't have high hopes that it will change but I do believe that the first step twoard approaching issues like this is simply awareness.

I welcome the level of awareness that this thread has brought the issue to but, frankly, I don't have high hopes that this thread will survive past a certain number of recommendations.

PB

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H2O Man

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Wed Aug-22-07 05:10 PM
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25. Yet from the

resources provided by SLAD, we see that there are people on DU who are aware of the case, and keeping track of it. The activities of Franklin and the AIPAC intelligence group were aimed at creating more tensions in the Middle East, and is a significant part of the neoconservative agenda for starting a conflict with Iran. I do not think that a serious case can be made that other countries or corporations are doing anything on that level.

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Poll_Blind

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Wed Aug-22-07 05:18 PM
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26. You're absolutely correct. I just wanted to emphasize that this...

...issue may be the tip of an iceberg when it comes to U.S. Israel relations but that there are many icebergs floating out there.

I agree that this reaches far beyond the typical level of interference in the U.S. government by agents of another government.

PB

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NoFederales

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Wed Aug-22-07 09:00 PM
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28. Great chronology. nt

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Thu Aug-23-07 12:41 AM
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36. Very obsessed about that, aren't you?

Ever wondered why AIPAC supposedly is running our country?

After all there are, what, six million Jews here? And another six million in Israel?

What is it about the administration and Congress that they follow blindly that Pied Piper?

You must be very obsessed to join DU for the sole purpose of showing how evil AIPAC is.

Is the story that AIPAC (and Israel) are behind 9/11 included in your links?

:tinfoilhat:

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seemslikeadream

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Wed Aug-22-07 01:33 PM
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9. Group cancels forum on book about Israel lobby

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-israelbook_aug21,1,6109069.story?ctrack=1&cset=true

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iconoclastic cat

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Wed Aug-22-07 01:40 PM
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13. Bloody fantastic. nt

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Poll_Blind

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Wed Aug-22-07 03:05 PM
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15. This is so...I dunno, is SCARY the right word? Is this really a wake-up...

...call that things are so far gone...SO far gone, that the people have NO influence on the military machinations of not only the Bush government but legislators on both sides who are basically under the thumb of the Military/Industrial complex?

PB

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underpants

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Wed Aug-22-07 03:08 PM
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16. That is how I take it yes

very scarey.

You realize that no attention will be paid to this the whole discussion -at least anyone who is allowed on the air- is going to be about how the Democrats LOST ANOTHER ONE TO THE ALL MIGHTY BUSH and so forth

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Mr_Jefferson_24

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Wed Aug-22-07 03:31 PM
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18. It's a nightmare and it's nothing new...

...a lot is explained here:

http://zeitgeistmovie.com/

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hootinholler

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Wed Aug-22-07 05:28 PM
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27. AHA!

The movie that must not be named.

-Hoot

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NoFederales

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Wed Aug-22-07 09:11 PM
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29. AIPAC is such an invasive influence coupled with the MIComplex trying to

wrest control of the internet back from public/private sectors--what happens when Joe WantsToKnow no longer has a connect to anything resembling journalism--divide and silence. AIPAC is a fucking cancer on our body politic. It is all very disturbing that so little is said about the corrupting influence of Outsiders.

NoFederales

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hootinholler

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Wed Aug-22-07 04:51 PM
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22. Go ahead and brand me as anti-semite since I have such disgust for the AIPAC.

I'm not really anti-semite or pro-semite, it just pisses me off when a nest of spies is enabled by the power structure.

-Hoot

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AntiFascist

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Wed Aug-22-07 09:31 PM
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30. Think of it as the right-wing taking control of Israeli policies...

just as the right-wing neoconservatives have in the U.S. Being "anti-Israeli" on this issue makes as much sense as being anti-American just because of the Bush Admin, although there is plenty of anti-American sentiment due to Bush.

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Jim Sagle

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Wed Aug-22-07 09:36 PM
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31. AIPAC RRRRRAWWWWWXXXXXXXXXXX!!!!!!!!

:beer:

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Tom Joad

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Wed Aug-22-07 10:03 PM
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32. If you like war and occupation. Otherwise, www.StopAIPAC.org

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Jim Sagle

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Wed Aug-22-07 11:44 PM
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34. To each his own.

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nadinbrzezinski

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Thu Aug-23-07 12:22 AM
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35. Unfortunately it is NOT only AIPAC

but I'm sure you've heard this

In fact, the stories the OP linked to... yep they are psyops, but AIPAC is not the only source for any of that

OUR OWN DOD IS UP TO ITS NECK on them, as well as as oh, the whose who of the Neo con movement

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eridani

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Thu Aug-23-07 05:06 AM
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37. The military/industrial complex would still exist if AIPAC vanished tomorrow

--which I devoutly wish they would.

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Mr_Jefferson_24

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Thu Aug-23-07 07:53 AM
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39. Multiple sclerosis would still exist if cancer vanished tomorrow.

...Not a reason to stop working to defeat/cure cancer.

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Freddie Stubbs

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Thu Aug-23-07 08:57 AM
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40. There was no mention of AIPAC in either the Washington Post article or the NPR one

Do you have any evidence that you would like to present to back up your assertion that it is AIPAC behind this, rather the Council for Foreign Relations, the Trilateral Commission, or the Bilderburgers?

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