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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 02:30 PM
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"After securing the Democratic base, the Clintons always sacrifice their allies to the Right."
Edited on Wed Aug-22-07 02:39 PM by welshTerrier2
Gravel has done it again. No, I'm not one of his supporters and he's not going to get the nomination. That doesn't mean some of his observations aren't dead on the money.

Look at Hillary run. Win, win, win. Yea, yea, yea. Cheer, cheer, cheer.

She had a really BIG problem with her hawkish votes on the war. She had no chance of going anywhere if she didn't soften her position on Iraq. She offered some mumble about timelines. She, of course, emphasized that withdrawal would have to be done in a "responsible" manner. How wise she is. The rest of us, of course, wanted to withdraw in an irresponsible manner putting as many troops at risk as possible.

So, Hillary hired her little web team to tone down the huge amount of Hillary the Hawk hatred in the blogosphere. Her little soldiers went forth and multiplied. They talked about Hillary's call for a timetable. They did NOT talk about her call for a "residual force." They talked about her vote against the last funding bill. They did NOT talk about the reality that she only voted long after the outcome on funding was clear. Hillary showed no leadership at all. Her vote against funding was a cynical, political trick to appeal to anyone in the anti-war crowd who wasn't paying attention.

Now, in front of a veteran's group, her tone is totally different. Parts of the surge are working. F*&ing idiot!!! Is that the way to bring peace to Iraq????

The last thing we needed was more sucking up to bush. But, in front of a veteran's group, it was the perfect triangulation. Perfect. They clapped their little hands and stomped their little feet. When you always give the audience what they want to hear, you get lots of applause and you often do very nicely in the polls. It's fun being all things to all people. The thing is, though, it's just no good for the country. No sense letting little details like that get in her way, I suppose.

Hillary's already made her token gestures to the anti-war wing of the party. She's done with that now. And, here's a little hint for you, the more secure she feels about winning the Dem nomination, the further to the right she's going to move. That's her general election strategy. If you hate how conservative Hillary is right now, just wait. It's going to get much, much worse next year if she's the nominee.

Here's how Gravel phrased the argument:

source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sen-mike-gravel/hillary-sandbags-the-anti_b_61346.html

Hillary Sandbags the Anti-war Movement by Mike Gravel

In an attempt to please an audience of veterans Monday, Hillary Clinton said the surge was "working" and gave a helping-hand to the Bush spin machine, Pentagon dead-enders and right-wing pundits who have already begun to quote her.

"Of course the surge is working," they'll say, "even Hillary Clinton acknowledges that!" Just when Congressional Democrats were beginning to grow spines and stand up against the war, Hillary has cut them off at the knees.

As always Hillary tried to have it both ways and went on to say: "We're just years too late changing our tactics. We can't ever let that happen again. We can't be fighting the last war. We have to be preparing to fight the new war." I'm not sure what she meant by that, but I do know the surge is not working. <skip>

After Monday's speech, Clinton aides tried to clarify her remarks, saying she was specifically referring to increased cooperation from Sunnis battling insurgents in Al Anbar province. But that clarification was too little too late. Unless Hillary publicly reverses herself and personally calls the surge an overall failure, Bush's allies in the media and the Congress will have the cover they need to impede any funding cuts next year.

Saying the surge is "working" is another example of how Hillary is adopting Bill Clinton's triangulation strategy. After securing the Democratic base, the Clintons always sacrifice their allies to the Right. (Remember Sister Souljah?) Last week Hillary sandbagged the LGBT community with her states rights argument against gay marriage. This week she throws the anti-war movement under the bus. I'm curious to see who's going to be next week's victim.


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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 02:32 PM
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1. HRC is singled out while BO gets a free pass for the same position on a "residual force"
Why?
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 02:49 PM
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7. I don't give him a "pass", it's just that this article seems to be about HRC.
His position on the "residual force" and a few other things keep me from being able to support him in the primaries. If no one else enters the race before then, I will be supporting Kucinich because of his postions on such things.

TC



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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 02:35 PM
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2. then Gravel is clueless on what the "base" is. But that isn't surprising.
Sorry, folks! I don't want a president to pander to the smallest little subset of my party (who believe themselves to be "the base.")

I've had 7 years of rule for the "base," of the "base," and by the "base."
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 02:45 PM
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4. oh, the irony.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 02:48 PM
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6. the irony is someone not even getting 1% of the vote claiming to speak for the base... AND...
...preaching about someone getting 40+ % of the vote. Now that's irony.

More irony? "progressives" even invoking the base then never providing a single documented shred of evidence to back it.

Or is that just sad?
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 02:50 PM
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9. oh, the irony of not understanding irony
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 08:36 PM
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12. irony upon irony abounds
these days. :eyes:
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 12:13 AM
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13. It's an infinite loop I tell ya.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 02:49 PM
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8. I sincerely hope you are never proven wrong...n/t
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 02:47 PM
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5. "After securing the Democratic base, the Clintons always sacrifice their allies to the Right."
That's a major problem with them, for me, as well. It's one of the reasons why I feel I can't trust her (or him, for that matter) to have our best interests at the heart of her run for President.

Great post, as usual. :applause:

TC


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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 02:52 PM
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10. Gravel is right on this one. nt
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 04:11 PM
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11. kick
:kick:


TC


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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 12:19 AM
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14. He is totally and absolutely right
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FreeStateDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 08:42 AM
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15. There will be "buyer's remorse" after the convention & Hill takes it right where she's at home.
Clinton's have a fatal character flaw that makes them do anything to access power. No moral base, corporate whores. Fucked the working class with the NAFTA corporate payoff.
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 08:52 AM
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16. Look what they did to the GLBT vote they courted so avidly when Bill was running!
As soon as he was elected (with their overwhelming support), he gave them Don't Ask/Don't Tell, DOMA, and almost none of the $$$ for AIDS research and treatment. It was a major slap in the face to one of their most loyal bloc of voters. If they did that to them, they'd throw ANY of us under the bus. Trust me.

TC


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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 08:55 AM
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17. Sister Souljah represents the base of the Democratic Party?
LOL.

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